Dissapointed with PC gaming.

[Miretank]

Oblivion can run on old hardware too, if you cut down on a lot of things.

You don't need to do such sacrifice with consoles.

The console itself is sold at a loss because they know if the price is too high nobody will buy it, hence consoles will always remain affordable. If XBox360 had a retail price of £600 only idiots would buy it or those with far too much money and Microsoft would essentially be commiting instant suicide on this project.

The console may be sold at a loss but a console is nothing without games, you pay a heavy amount for the games and where do you think some of that money goes to? You got it Microsoft. Sell at a loss now, recoup your losses later because with the console you are inevitably going to have to buy games to enjoy it.

Plus you're forgetting that if you build things in Mass you save bucks, what do you think Microsoft are doing? buying parts seperately... i'll take one cpu... one gpu? get a brain they buy hundreds of thousands of each and smash them all together in factories. Buying or building in mass is cheaper as Walmart or Asda have proven time and time again. Explains why dell can sell things so cheap as well.

Come to think of it I doubt MS are losing too much money selling the consoles.

1st statement: YOU ONLY TALK ABOUT MS NOW. I'LL BREAK YOUR 360.
2nd statement: consoles are just a toy for MS or else they wouldn't release 360
OMAGAD SORRY IF I HURTED YOU!

 

[WhiteX]

As for your second statement, that´s not true.

M$ take yheir console so seriously that they got to shit where they eat to make it go, they completely forgot Windows gaming, even taking Halo for the XBox when it was a PC game, to concentrate on their consoles.

We, as consumers, must send them a message in the form of a boicot (did i spelled it right?), don´t buy a pc game, buy the console port; don´t buy a new vid card, get a console.
By doin this the companies that depend on PC gaming, NVidia and ATI mainly, will make pressure on M$ and other publishers to release more appealing games to the PC or even more finished products.

 

[Alchemist]

As for your second statement, that´s not true.

M$ take yheir console so seriously that they got to shit where they eat to make it go, they completely forgot Windows gaming, even taking Halo for the XBox when it was a PC game, to concentrate on their consoles.

We, as consumers, must send them a message in the form of a boicot (did i spelled it right?), don´t buy a pc game, buy the console port; don´t buy a new vid card, get a console.
By doin this the companies that depend on PC gaming, NVidia and ATI mainly, will make pressure on M$ and other publishers to release more appealing games to the PC or even more finished products.

Boycotts only work if a large percent of a particular market gets involved.

I think ET takes up *possibly* .00000001% of the pc gaming market. Plus, most of us already own consoles as well as our PC's.

In the end, I think the PC will be given over to elitist RTS-ers and those who play games only to see how good the graphics can look. Because seriously, can you build a PC for 85 US$ (standard ebay price for an xbox) that will play Fable, Ghost Recon, Battle-field 2, etc. at the performance level of an Xbox?

You can't. And obviously, a numb-skull average consumer is going to take the instant gratification of plugging in an Xbox, throwing in the game disc, and playing right then and there over the hassle of upgrading, installing, tweaking to get their PC to that level.

 

[Flash]

and is piracy-only so modding the dvd drive will be 100% illegal

Well, not exactly. For example, when i buy game, i always copy it to DVD-R(CD-R) and use that DVD-R(CD-R) because it's always possible to damage original disc (especially when it comes to PC and it's supahypaultraturbo 40-52x drives - shhhhhhhhBOOOM !!! and you have thousand pieces of what was your disc ) In many countries it is legal to have backup copies of any kind of software, you just can't use backup and original discs at same time.

 

[WhiteX]

I think ET takes up *possibly* .00000001% of the pc gaming market. Plus, most of us already own consoles as well as our PC's.

I´m not starting a campaign over it, only when buying a PC game, remember this and don´t buy it get the console version instead.

 

[Doomulation]

Well, not exactly. For example, when i buy game, i always copy it to DVD-R(CD-R) and use that DVD-R(CD-R) because it's always possible to damage original disc (especially when it comes to PC and it's supahypaultraturbo 40-52x drives - shhhhhhhhBOOOM !!! and you have thousand pieces of what was your disc ) In many countries it is legal to have backup copies of any kind of software, you just can't use backup and original discs at same time.

In the US, this and many things else are becoming illegal. You shouldn't be able to backup a copy that you've bought. You shouldn't be able to record something. Heck, you shouldn't be allowed to have fair rights!

WhiteX: Obviously, even if you avoid them, it isn't going to affect the company at all. Although I do tend to stay away from everything Sony I see...

 

[revl8er]

I´m not starting a campaign over it, only when buying a PC game, remember this and don´t buy it get the console version instead.

I completely disagree with this. I personally would rather play the pc version of a game than a console. I think the controls are more friendly, good modding, and killer gfx if you got the hardware. To say don't buy a pc game is just wrong IMO. You brought up Halo a few times so I'll use that as an example. On the pc, Halo had a few extra guns, it was easier to aim than me. I personally found Halo to be more fun on the PC than the Xbox. You can also look at Star Wars KOTOR, the game was a lot better on the pc for me, sure I had the xbox version first, but I preferred to play the PC version. Yes the pc doesn't have the genres of consoles, but with all the MMORPGs and FPS games coming out, it basically makes up for the losses. Take WOW, I'm pretty sure that has more players than any Xbox Live game. I personally own all the new systems, but I put most of my time on the PC. There are some thing I would like to see on the PC, but most people these days are more worried about using a control and don't want to take the time to learn how to use a keyboard and see how much more easier it is to control a character in a game.

You also mentioned the cost of pc gaming. Most of the time you wont have to upgrade if u have a decent computer already unless you are looking to play the game at the highest settings. I have kept my same setup for a while, and I am happy to play a game at the settings I use, I dont just go and upgrade to be able to make it look just a little better. As long as you got a gfx card that is supported by the game, and you have a decent processor and enough RAM, then you can play the game, what does it matter what it looks like.

 

[ScottJC]

You don't need to do such sacrifice with consoles.


1st statement: YOU ONLY TALK ABOUT MS NOW. I'LL BREAK YOUR 360.
2nd statement: consoles are just a toy for MS or else they wouldn't release 360
OMAGAD SORRY IF I HURTED YOU!

This thread is about PC gaming vs Console gaming, Xbox360 is the ONLY and I stress the ONLY gaming console on the market that even comes close to the PC in terms of power at the moment. Whats the point in talking about the ps2? the PS2's graphics suck... my PC totally owns that.

Secondly I'll talk about whatever the hell I want. Go buy a 360, absorb it and then come back and tell me it isn't awesome, I dare you.

 

[arnalion]

The console itself is sold at a loss because they know if the price is too high nobody will buy it, hence consoles will always remain affordable. If XBox360 had a retail price of £600 only idiots would buy it or those with far too much money and Microsoft would essentially be commiting instant suicide on this project.

The console may be sold at a loss but a console is nothing without games, you pay a heavy amount for the games and where do you think some of that money goes to? You got it Microsoft. Sell at a loss now, recoup your losses later because with the console you are inevitably going to have to buy games to enjoy it.

Plus you're forgetting that if you build things in Mass you save bucks, what do you think Microsoft are doing? buying parts seperately... i'll take one cpu... one gpu? get a brain they buy hundreds of thousands of each and smash them all together in factories. Buying or building in mass is cheaper as Walmart or Asda have proven time and time again. Explains why dell can sell things so cheap as well.

Come to think of it I doubt MS are losing too much money selling the consoles.

Microsoft lost 4 billion dollars on the Xbox 2001-05. They sold it at loss from the beginning too.
Huh? Dell sells cheap stuff? :S
Microsoft doesn't get all the money from the games they sell, the developers get some too. What i've read does the Xbox 360 cost about 700 dollars to produce, so it's about 300 dollars loss per console.
Don't you think a 4 billion dollar loss is much money to lose?

 

[Fabricio_EX]

I'm full of those FPs and MMORPGs. There are great games I would like to play on my computer. Capcom, Konami, Namco... Those names rarely appear on a PC game. I would like to see Metal Gear, Megaman, "Tales" series for PCs (and even more), not only Halo, Half Life, Couter Strike, Medal of Honor... Isn't that enough for the FPs?

 

[revl8er]

Well what sells is what they are going to make. Right now FPS and MMORPG are what sells the best for pc games.

 

[ScottJC]

Don't you think a 4 billion dollar loss is much money to lose?

To microsoft 4 billion dollars is pocket money, you do realize that right? but this is a bit offtopic anyway. Xbox was not nearly as popular as the ps2 which could explain how they lost money.

 

[gokuss4]

I, myself prefer PC gaming because it just looks a hell of a lot better than on the console version, although at a big price (literally). I do agree consoles are much more convenient than PC's. A lot of people are going into them now. Just wait until the last quarter of this year, and the 2nd quarter of 2007. I remember reading about windows vista it will be DX10 exclusive, and that M$ is gonna make ATI and nVidia both have full DX10 support. Also they say that DX10 is supposedly gonna make some dx 9 and 10 games 2-4 times faster. (I'll have to see it to believe it). Maybe they can now make the gap smaller and some of those branches can be cut for PC gaming. Now all they have to worry about are chipsets, and CPU architecture, (oh and soundcard, hard drive, and memory support).

It's just so god damn easier to do console games because you're making something specifically for a specific hardware, that's why consoles are faster too. The games are much more optimized for the consoles, and the console OS isn't taking up a bunch of CPU power and memory. All you need it for is playing games, not other crap.

I can wait for Vista, but I can't wait for Nintendo Wii. And I can't wait to have more money . But, I still like PC gaming better because most of the games I like are on PC, the controls are easier, and I use PC's a lot.. plus emulation roxers my boxers .

 

[Miretank]

@Scott: if I had money, i'd surely buy a 360. It's a good console but I still prefer a PS2.

'Ontopic... who would buy a PC just for gaming?
Softhouses put their efforts on home consoles, they were MADE to run games. Some PCs need to be adapted to that.

 

[WhiteX]

I completely disagree with this. I personally would rather play the pc version of a game than a console. I think the controls are more friendly, good modding, and killer gfx if you got the hardware. To say don't buy a pc game is just wrong IMO. You brought up Halo a few times so I'll use that as an example. On the pc, Halo had a few extra guns, it was easier to aim than me. I personally found Halo to be more fun on the PC than the Xbox.
You can also look at Star Wars KOTOR, the game was a lot better on the pc for me, sure I had the xbox version first, but I preferred to play the PC version.

That is your personal preference, no argue with that and if you don´t have a little above the recommended you get stuck with the same settings of the consoles.

Yes the pc doesn't have the genres of consoles, but with all the MMORPGs and FPS games coming out, it basically makes up for the losses.

Once again, personal preference, it does not make up for the losses, two genres making up for all the other good games out there, no way.
And not all good games come out for PC, Black is not out for PC, Killzone is not out, Timesplitters is not out, Darkwatch is not out...

Take WOW, I'm pretty sure that has more players than any Xbox Live game. I personally own all the new systems, but I put most of my time on the PC. There are some thing I would like to see on the PC, but most people these days are more worried about using a control and don't want to take the time to learn how to use a keyboard and see how much more easier it is to control a character in a game.

I am talking about choice, you get love from all the consoles plus the PC.
As for ppl not taking the time to learn how to play, what about the amount of time we got to wait for patches to come out so we can finish the games or the time we lose fighting to configure or tweak the games to achieve more performance or to counter a bug.

You also mentioned the cost of pc gaming. Most of the time you wont have to upgrade if u have a decent computer already unless you are looking to play the game at the highest settings. I have kept my same setup for a while, and I am happy to play a game at the settings I use, I dont just go and upgrade to be able to make it look just a little better. As long as you got a gfx card that is supported by the game, and you have a decent processor and enough RAM, then you can play the game, what does it matter what it looks like.

For not having to upgrade, here´s this:


Minimum for Jedi Outcast (Q3 engine):

Computer: 100% DirectX compatible computer required.
CPU: Pentium II 350 MHz or faster CPU required. Pentium III or Athlon class 500 MHz or faster CPU recommended.
Memory: 64 MB RAM required, 128 MB RAM recommended. 128 MB required for Windows 2000 and XP.
Graphics Card: 16 MB OpenGL compatible PCI or AGP 3D Hardware Accelerator required. 32 MB recommended.
DirectX: Microsoft DirectX 8.0a

Minimum for Jedi academy (Q3 engine):

CPU: Pentium III 450 MHz or faster CPU required. Pentium
III or Athlon class 600 MHz or faster CPU recommended.
Memory: 128 MB RAM required. 256 MB RAM recommended.
Graphics Card: 32 MB OpenGL 1.4 compatible AGP or PCI 3D
Hardware Accelerator required.
DirectX: Microsoft DirectX 9.0a

Recomended for Soul Reaver 2:

Pentium III 600MHz
128 MB RAM
DirectX 8 or higher
100% DirectX® 8 compatible 3D Accelerator card with 32 MB VRAM

Recommended for LoK Defiance:

Pentium4(R) 1.3ghz or Athlon XP or equivalent
256 MB
Video Memory: 64 MB

By this you see that four games playable on PS2 would require at least one major update to be playable, even with games on the same engine, if one got a ps2, no update would be required.

EDIT: and those are older games, if i wanted i could toss TR legend and Prince of Persia into it.

 

[revl8er]

Well these days a decent pc is at least an athlon or petium processor with speeds above 2ghz, 512mb ram. I know some pcs only have onboard chips in them, but when I said a gfx card supported I meant at least a card that supports dx 9.0c. Really if u dont meet these requirements then you shouldnt even think about gaming, hell u really couldnt do much on a pc these days with a pc that doesnt even have 512mb ram.

Most of the time you wont have to upgrade if u have a decent computer already unless you are looking to play the game at the highest settings.

As I said here, if u have a decent pc already you shouldn't have to upgrade to play a game. I mean my older pc with an athlon xp 1800, 512mb ram, and geforce 5200 could handle any of those games u mentioned. With the way pcs are coming out now they usually meet the requirements to play games. Even if you go to your local Wal-Mart you can get an E-Machines computer with a Sempron 3100, 512 ram, Geforce 6100 onboard 128mb, and a 100gb hd for around $500 and that could handle those games and many of the newer games still.

But as you said, we are all entitled to our opinions. Yes consoles do have better games on them because of the genres, but there are still games on pcs that are actually more fun to play. Yes we have to wait for patches sometimes, but I have never got a game I couldnt finish out of the box without a patch. Sure I have ran into some annoying sound issues, but still I was always able to finish a game.

 

[WhiteX]

but I have never got a game I couldnt finish out of the box without a patch. Sure I have ran into some annoying sound issues, but still I was always able to finish a game.

SW Battlefront 2: Does not boot up, when it does it random crashes.(took 4 months to be patched)

Half Life 2 / Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines: i got the sound stuttering bug, you couldn´t even aim, let alone finish.(HL2 got patched in somewaht 2 months, vampire took way more than that)

Beyond good and evil: If you save on a certain room, a key vital to the game progression gets stuck on the hatch that should release it. (a dude from the game´s community managed to patch the savegame as a workaround)

Just to mention 3.

 

[arnalion]

To microsoft 4 billion dollars is pocket money, you do realize that right? but this is a bit offtopic anyway. Xbox was not nearly as popular as the ps2 which could explain how they lost money.

Yea, but they can't lose money on the Xboxes forever.
Well Nintendo made the most profit with their Gamecube of the "three big".

 

[Doomulation]

Nintendo knows how to construct consoles so that they are cheap to produce. Probably because it isn't overly complex and microsoft has just entered the market, which might explain why the xbox was expensive.
Sonys machines are very complex and therefore also, I take it, expensive to produce.

 

[arnalion]

The gamecube is more complex than the PS2. The hardware is more optimised and more powerful