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Did America really land on the moon in 1969?

Remote

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Renegade said:
America never reached the moon.
Americans reached the moon in '69.

Good point... Now that we have cleared that up, I must ask what is wrong with some of you... Of course they landed on the moon... The people who pretend that they did not, it was a part of the cold war and an even bigger part of an even bigger conspiration, are the same people who believe in aliens, or similar things which most people find unlikely... All the evidence they have is a couple of photographies which they claim are taken in the deserts outside the aclimed UFO crashsite Area 51... They also claim that the shadows are wrong, but since they have never been to or on the moon how could they know...
 

Martin

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People questioning the landing on the moon in '69 define stupidity and ignorance. Not everything has a conspiracy theory.
 

Stalkid64

Citizen(sixty)four
Ah...

NOTE: I`ve been far too lazy to read this whole thread, so if any of this has been posted previously, `copying` has been unintentional.

I seem to remember there was a tv special (FOX network or something like that aired it) which gave all this "evidence" that the moon landings were faked too. There is an entire multi-page report which takes each piece of this supposed evidence and scientifically proves it wrong, with even a few simple experiments you can do yourself to show it. Read it for yourselves conspiracy theorists!

A couple of more choice pieces;

"No stars in the images;

As usual, this was about the first argument used by the Hoax believers to debunk the lunar landing. We see no stars in the images because the images are exposed for the bright sunlit scenes. The stars are too faint to show up on the images due to their short exposure."
You can PROVE this to yourself if need be - go take a photo of the sky when the stars are out with an average camera. Oh look... blackness.

And to one of the favourite bits of "inevidence"

"Shadows go in wrong directions, not parallel;

The hoax proponents apparently don't understand simple convergence - the disappearing point which elementary school art students learn about in order to draw roads or railroad tracks disappearing into the distance. The shadows, though parallel from overhead, look to be going in different directions from the perspective of a person on the ground. You can see the same effects here on Earth. The most used image by the hoaxers is from Apollo 14 where the Lunar Module appears in the distance to be casting a horizontal shadow while the shadows of the rocks in the foreground are angled towards the camera. However, if you look closely at the LM shadow and the LM itself, you'll see the LM partly lit - similarly to the rocks in the foreground along the same direction and you can see that the shadow is not horizontal, but is greatly foreshortened. As usual, just a casual examination of the evidence contradicts the hoaxers argument.

The lunar surface is also very undulating with hills and craters in great abundance. Shadows appear longer if they go down a slope on the sunward side of a crater or hill or appear shorter on a slope that faces into the sun. Hills and craters can also change the apparent direction of a shadow to make it look non-parallel with adjacent shadows."

Actually, that entire report is highly recommended reading... damn those pesky things like facts that get in the way of peoples sad dillusions. ;)
 
Martin said:
People questioning the landing on the moon in '69 define stupidity and ignorance. Not everything has a conspiracy theory.

but there are people with far too much time and far little sense making them up:sleepy:
 

vampireuk

Mr. Super Clever
sytaylor said:


but there are people with far too much time and far little sense making them up:sleepy:

Not really, if you read the files you will see there is some really strong evidence not just people making things up:!!!:
 

DuDe

Emu64 Staff
Heh, "strong evidence". Creating evidence is rather easy if you have the time. There`s a bestseller in France now, that "prooves" that the 9/11 attacks were actually an inside work by the government. Not to talk about the lovely books that "proove" that the Israeli Mossad security network had done it. And it`s ten times easier to "proove" that the Americans have never landed the moon, since the only proofs of that landing are a few low quality black and white videos.
 

Remote

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The chances of them making up the lunar landing are very slim, next to unexistant, but if it would turn out to be a conspiracy I must say that I'm impressed...
 

Tri-Force

Philosopher Warrior
i agree with remote. if this was faked then wow i want to work with those producers and set designers and directors when i make my major movie. but along with the evidence that says "no" there is the little things that say "yes" for example Neil Armstrongs first words on the moon being eaten by the audio. what he says is "thats one small step for A man" not "that's one small step for man" if this was something done in a studio then dont you think that the audio would have been perfect.
but since i dont know what's true or not now as i stated in my other posts i will play the devils advocate and say that the most swaying piece of evidence against it is the strike marks on the cameras. some above somebelow some not at all. weird isn't it.
 

DuDe

Emu64 Staff
Tri-Force said:
what he says is "thats one small step for A man" not "that's one small step for man" if this was something done in a studio then dont you think that the audio would have been perfect.
Ah, but you can look at it as a reverse psychology. Think about it : if the audio had been perfect, it would be some kind of a proof to the fact that the landing is fake. So, what they do, is deliberately edit the words a bit, so that it would sound authentic.
 

Stalkid64

Citizen(sixty)four
Of course! Those wacky NASA scientists edited the audio during a live broadcast... they just booted up cooledit and... oh wait, what live audio editing tech existed in 1969 again? ;)
Seriously, go check that recommended reading then try again...
 

Tri-Force

Philosopher Warrior
and thats a point for Remote. remember that if someone is saying that it was all staged then it they are implying that it was not live but filmed. becasue remember that the Astronots were in fact in space at the time of the boradcast.
 

Davemc

Dave
the first man on the moon must of been the cameraman who filmed it.

he was on the moon while the armstrong was getting off
 
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Josep

Josep

eyerun4phun
hehe, whoa, i didn't know people kept posting in here;) Also how did Nasa's ship land on the moon that nicely? According to Nasa's calculations we didn't have enough technology to have the space craft withstand the disturbances around the moon, ANd how many peolple have we OR anyone else have put on the moon...??:)
 

Remote

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dayve said:

he was on the moon while the armstrong was getting off

Hmm, maybe you are refering to the adult version, because there is now they would do a live broadcast with Neil Armstrong getting off...

Although I haven't seen the movie in a couple of years, I have a vague memory of the camera man filming from the outside, e.g on the moon, which would indeed make him the first man on the moon. And eventhough if they were on the moon there is no way to really know if they broadcasted it as it arrived to earth, they could have broadcasted it and made sure that everything went ok. I seriously doubt that they would release footage showing a failed mission, they would rather blame the lack on footage on techinal errors. We all know that poeple have been to the moon, it's not a conspiracy, a hoax or even a devious trick, it's the raw truth. I haven't really checked this but if you look at the location of the alleged lunar landing you are able to see the leftovers. And does anyone know how many people that has actually been to the moon?

One thing that I've always wondered about it the face on the moon surface, with human recemblances. Does anyone know what I'm talking about? What's your view of that, it look to real to be a coincidence but it's definetely not man made since mankind has never been to that part of the moon.
 

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