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emuguy

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i understand nintendow allows emulation to a certain extent

eg, if u own the origional game u are legally allowed to make a backup/download a rom of that game. and if u dont have the game u can keep the rom for 24 hours legally (try befor you buy)

right or wrong?

where can i find proof of this, cos i need to prove to some guys that it is true. thanx
 
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Trotterwatch

Active member
eg, if u own the origional game u are legally allowed to make a backup/download a rom of that game. and if u dont have the game u can keep the rom for 24 hours legally (try befor you buy)
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This rule is complete bollocks. You are allowed to make a backup (the proviso is, you have to make the backup yourself - you can't download someone elses backup). There is also no try before you buy rule - this is just what idiots put to try to protect themselves from potential legal issues of providing roms.

Sorry, but the other Guys are right, and you are not :p

btw, please please please, if you are going to post in the Project64 forum, please ensure it is relevant to the actual emulator. This question evidently is not.

In future, could you post in the correct forum? Thanks
 
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StarShade

New member
The legality issue is very zany...

You see, if Nintendo had their way, there'd be no way for you to play their games except with their system and the game in the slot.

And, as I've posted elsewhere, Nintendo absolutely HATES Gameshark.
 
Knuckles

Knuckles

Active member
Moderator
And about that, did they know we have the roms that we don't have the original catridge a home? Did they go at your home and inspect your home and PC to see that?

Sorry for my bad english :(
 
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petronius79

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in the old days you had commercial games on floppy disks and you could copy and play many classic games for free in Commodore 64, Amiga, AtariST etc. Now you can burn CDs and soon DVDs and download ROM images from the Net. Mentality never changes :sly:
 
Malcolm

Malcolm

Not a Moderator
Ok guys heres the total truth behind emulators and roms.

Emulators are completely legal. All emulators do is interpret code from a source and translate that code into instructions that the host system can understand and process.

Now about ROMs. There is no 24 hours rule, this was made by the warez scene to encourage people to download roms and believe they they couldn't be charged if they only had the rom for 24 hours. Also copying any part of a rom is illegal. Ripping a rom is illegal. Owning a rom by having it on any madia (CD/Hard Disk/Blank N64 Cart) is illegal. The only legal way to own any rom is to have the cartrage. That doesn't mean its ok for you to have to rom on your computer if you own that same cart, the rom image is only legal if it is stored on the original game cart.

Hope this clears up the myth(s).

:)
 
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Eagle

Eagle

aka Alshain
Moderator
Malcolm said:
Ok guys heres the total truth behind emulators and roms.

Emulators are completely legal. All emulators do is interpret code from a source and translate that code into instructions that the host system can understand and process.

Now about ROMs. There is no 24 hours rule, this was made by the warez scene to encourage people to download roms and believe they they couldn't be charged if they only had the rom for 24 hours. Also copying any part of a rom is illegal. Ripping a rom is illegal. Owning a rom by having it on any madia (CD/Hard Disk/Blank N64 Cart) is illegal. The only legal way to own any rom is to have the cartrage. That doesn't mean its ok for you to have to rom on your computer if you own that same cart, the rom image is only legal if it is stored on the original game cart.

Hope this clears up the myth(s).

:)
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Exactly. ROMs are illegal period, no matter what circumstances are about it. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either mislead or lying. You cannot legally posses any copy of a cartridge if you own it or do not. We cannot stress this enough as this is the reason we dont allow rom posts on this forum. It may sound like were all repeating each other but there will be some people that see this post and still ask, but if X and Y and Z are true than it is legal right? The answer will always be NO.
 
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13rian

New member
Where is the proof that roms are illegal? (post links to legal precedence cases)

How do you know that the same law applys in every country?

Also, Nintendo is a corrupt company that has been ripping us off since the early 1990s, they where recently fined €149 million for this, so why should we respect their copyrights if they have been screwing us for years?
 
AlphaWolf

AlphaWolf

I prey, not pray.
Actualy I don't think thats entirely true, you are legaly allowed to create a backup of any software you own. You just can't use both copies simultaneously. Meaning you can rip a rom to your PC, but you can't play it on an emulator whilst somebody else in your house is playing it on a console at the same time. At least in the US anyways, thats what fair use laws permit, and one reason why hardware used to rip roms isn't illegal to own.

However, you are correct about not being able to download roms from the internet, that is completely illegal in any sense, because you are supposed to make your own backup, as the one you download isn't necessarily the same as your origional (I am not entirely sure on this though, a 1:1 copy of your origional *may* be legal to download, I would have to check on that, however I do know that its illegal to openly distribute roms). And also I have no idea where the 24 hour rule came into play, because thats pure BS.
 
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vampireuk

vampireuk

Mr. Super Clever
Quite frankly you can think whatever you like. As long as you realise that they are viewed as illegal here.
 
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AlphaWolf

AlphaWolf

I prey, not pray.
Again though I am not entirely sure, because if its a 1:1 copy of what you own (and remember, not all games are exactly the same, there are different versions of roms, so you need to make this determination, as if it varies slightly from your origional, it IS illegal), you are legaly allowed to have it, just I know its completely illegal to openly distribute (upload) roms on the internet. Whether or not you are allowed to download a copy of what you already own is something I am very uncertain of. I would venture to guess that they would have something like a "fruit of a poisonous tree" system going on, to where if the upload was illegal to begin with, then the download is illegal too.
 
vampireuk

vampireuk

Mr. Super Clever
I believe its like everything else. If you have a "backup" copy it has to be your own copy and not someone elses. :)
 
AlphaWolf

AlphaWolf

I prey, not pray.
vampireuk said:
I believe its like everything else. If you have a "backup" copy it has to be your own copy and not someone elses. :)
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Technicaly yes, but then if you have a personal use exact copy (backup) of something you own, whether you made it or not, then you are not in violation of anybody's copyrights.

blizz said:
here's a link to the EmuFAQ, it was last updated in 2000 but the legal situation hasn't really changed a great deal since then

http://www.eidolons-inn.de/emufaq2000/
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Is it just me, or is the fat guy in that picture crying?
 
sytaylor

sytaylor

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vampireuk said:
They are illegal, end of story.
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no its not

Now about ROMs. There is no 24 hours rule, this was made by the warez scene to encourage people to download roms and believe they they couldn't be charged if they only had the rom for 24 hours. Also copying any part of a rom is illegal. Ripping a rom is illegal. Owning a rom by having it on any madia (CD/Hard Disk/Blank N64 Cart) is illegal. The only legal way to own any rom is to have the cartrage. That doesn't mean its ok for you to have to rom on your computer if you own that same cart, the rom image is only legal if it is stored on the original game cart.
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thats the end of the story
 
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