Colin Powell speech
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In fact you have made personal comments. Not direct personal comments, but comments stating or impliying that other nations are inferior to England and/or the USA. I could counter all your facts with facts that are equally damning. But what is the point?DeadRabbit said:
I agree, it is terrible that he gassed his own people. But the USA will do no good by acts of war. Much more good would be done by lifting the sanctions and including Iraq in the world economy, on condition that the country be democratically lead from then on. Or something similar to this.
Trotterwatch
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Totally agree, we have to do something to stop the Middle Eastern countries from hating us so much, and hatred causes fanatacism (and we all know where that leads eventually).
True. Actually Europe is generally not hated, I know that by first hand experience. (I am an Arab after allTrotterwatch said:
)The two countries really hated in the middle east are the USA and Israel. Israel we all know why, and America because they basically provide Israel with free weapons, equipment and lots of funding.
DeadRabbit
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Ok,
We've come to a point where you will find I am 100% in agreement with you.
Yes, sanctions are absolutely pointless and do only harm innocents, as anybody involved and I mean "properly" involved with Saddam will have the means to bypass any effect they may have.
But, unfortunately no, I really do think that war is the only answer. In fact had this been decided many years ago then we probably woldn't be in the state of affairs that we are in today, where there is worry about his possible nuclear arsenal.
And also, yes I do think that what I saw on the television was more than enough reason.
Let's (with regret I'm sure) return to my point about the holocaust. I'm sure everyone agrees that it was probably the worst aspect of WW2. If this is so, then how is what Saddam has done any different. Why does he get some kind of leniancy over this issue ?
People are incredibly good at talking about how evil people are, and how righteous they are themselves, but unfortunately as history has proved, they are extraordinarily lethargic when it comes to backing their good words with deeds.
We've come to a point where you will find I am 100% in agreement with you.
Yes, sanctions are absolutely pointless and do only harm innocents, as anybody involved and I mean "properly" involved with Saddam will have the means to bypass any effect they may have.
But, unfortunately no, I really do think that war is the only answer. In fact had this been decided many years ago then we probably woldn't be in the state of affairs that we are in today, where there is worry about his possible nuclear arsenal.
And also, yes I do think that what I saw on the television was more than enough reason.
Let's (with regret I'm sure) return to my point about the holocaust. I'm sure everyone agrees that it was probably the worst aspect of WW2. If this is so, then how is what Saddam has done any different. Why does he get some kind of leniancy over this issue ?
People are incredibly good at talking about how evil people are, and how righteous they are themselves, but unfortunately as history has proved, they are extraordinarily lethargic when it comes to backing their good words with deeds.
vampireuk
Mr. Super Clever
War is not the last option though, if you have heard about the latest proposal by France,Germany and Russia it should at least interest you.
Double the weapons inspectors and use spy planes all through Iraq airspace - this covers the weapons case
UN Peacekeepers in Iraq - These will protect the Iraqi people and help them recieve the aid that they should get and ends up with Saddam.
War is not the only option but the Bush administration is not even looking at this proposal which is really bugging me. They chose war over peace, what kind of goverment is that to have in the "free world".
Double the weapons inspectors and use spy planes all through Iraq airspace - this covers the weapons case
UN Peacekeepers in Iraq - These will protect the Iraqi people and help them recieve the aid that they should get and ends up with Saddam.
War is not the only option but the Bush administration is not even looking at this proposal which is really bugging me. They chose war over peace, what kind of goverment is that to have in the "free world".
Well, at least we agree hereDeadRabbit said:
It has been somewhat unavoidable ever since the original gulf war. Had the USA acted differently war could have been averted. It is now not possible anymore. The US would loose their face if they pulled out now; and they will not let that happen. However by fighting they will be despised as well. More good would come out of no war, in my opinion; but I do not see that happening anymore at this point. It is a lesson to be learnt and applied in the future. Unfortunately humans seem incapable of this...
He does not. The point is that a war would kill many innocent people too; at least as many as killed by Saddam Hussein. A peaceful solution should be pursued. It seems the current US administration lacks the political insight to do this though.
Quite true, quite true
Trotterwatch
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What I would like? Double the number of inspectors, spyplanes, US Peacekeepers.... just like the Nato plan, but I also don't want Saddam to escape without anything happening. But what can happen to him, I doubt very much he would just consent to being tried for War Crimes.
I don't think anyone wishes any harm to the Iraqi people they are the ones suffering more than anyone - perhaps if we lift the sanctions then the people of Iraq can at least lead semi-proper lives.
The ultimate dream must be to have Iraq as a Democracy (or anything other than despotism), is that achievable? I for one hope so.
I don't think anyone wishes any harm to the Iraqi people they are the ones suffering more than anyone - perhaps if we lift the sanctions then the people of Iraq can at least lead semi-proper lives.
The ultimate dream must be to have Iraq as a Democracy (or anything other than despotism), is that achievable? I for one hope so.
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AlphaWolf
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2fast4u said:spot the guy with the cristall ball
Yeah well - - - (sudden pause)
Wait a second, aren't the same baseless accusations being made in our direction?
Must the teapot call the kettle black?
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AlphaWolf
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2fast4u said:
Ok here it is a second time:
2fast4u said:
I will probably get more warning points for making the same argument again, but I realy don't care:
Now, the teapot calling the kettle black, is an old expression, has nothing to do with race. What I mean by this, is that you guys, who have a pretty dirty history I might add, constantly insist that the US is some evil rogue state bent on some evil motive.
You guys constantly make these baseless arguments that the US is after ulterior motives (e.g. oil). Making similar assumptions, its logical that we could assume that you're after the same thing, is it not? This is why you shouldn't assume too much, because you're making an ass out of u and me in this argument.
This is exactly why I made that statement to x2f4u earlier. This one will probably be edited too, but oh well, I said it.
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AlphaWolf
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My comment was more wrong than say...you telling me all of that shit about the stars and stripes? especialy the bit about how you "wipe your ass with the stars and stripes"?
The stars and stripes mean a lot more to me and my peers than you can probably imagine, yet this is the first time I have griped about your comments, let alone had the desire to "gag" you.
The stars and stripes mean a lot more to me and my peers than you can probably imagine, yet this is the first time I have griped about your comments, let alone had the desire to "gag" you.
vampireuk
Mr. Super Clever
There is a difference between talking foul of a goverment and talking foul of the people. You spoke foul of the people whereas I have never done. I'm no getting into this BS with you, stop whining and act like a man about it instead of crying about it every chance you get.