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AlphaWolf
I prey, not pray.
Looks like stormtide either used an old version of mozilla or he is pulling shit out of his ass on that one (what does the version number have to do with anything anyways?). Again, I have yet to see one site that mozilla does not work with (except for activex ones I can't vouch for, I never allow activex, even when I used IE, its not a good thing IMO, too much security/spyware risk, even when signed). That said, so far as compatibility, stability, features, and speed, I think mozilla has already surpassed IE6, though its developers say otherwise.
Hell, don't take my word for it, go get the 1.1 beta (10 meg download) and browse through your own webpages for yourself. (I recommend you go get the pinball skin too :happy: )
EDIT: also try this, go to edit > preferences > advanced > scripts and plugins
uncheck "open unrequested windows"
Hell, don't take my word for it, go get the 1.1 beta (10 meg download) and browse through your own webpages for yourself. (I recommend you go get the pinball skin too :happy: )
EDIT: also try this, go to edit > preferences > advanced > scripts and plugins
uncheck "open unrequested windows"
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RatTrap
GODLIKE
i have 
.. i have a multitude of browsers on my system.. i have 2 testmachines.. a linux machine just to test how pages look in linux using various browsers.. and a w98 with IE4 and a whole bunch of NS browsers.. opera browsers.. etc etc.. the only thing i haven't downloaded yet is NS 7.. because i don't even wanna go there.. it's gonna be buggy.. i'm so sure.. i don't wanna risk it just yet .. i also have a server wich is also my network server.. wich i sometimes use on my lanparties.. wich works as an internal dev-net.. like a mini internet on wich i can test pretty much any new fun thing i feel like testing.. believe me.. mozilla is buggy.. the js for it is not fun at all to code.. it is slow.. and there's numerous other tiny details that i don't like with it myself..
that has never stoped me from using and making a compatible website for a sertain browser.. but honestly.. if you say that mozilla is superiour to IE.. then i'm sorry but i honestly can't take you seriously.. since if you still "think" that (as you said) you can't be serious.. the other thing is.. most websites will work on mozilla.. i never said they would'nt.. but not all features that the sites have will work right.. the browser has a few good points.. but it's still behind IE in the most important of aspects.. the buggyness and speed.. also.. just like he said.. if your on Windows.. why download another browser?.. when IE is the leading browser.. another point to why mozilla can't surpass IE in a more wider range.. is companies can't just support it like that.. there's no money behind it.. and you might think "yeah but it has great support etc".. still that don't matter.. not to a company.. so how ever you might want to look at it.. mozilla is'nt the best choise of browsers.. sorry.. but it's the sad trueth .. if i could chose.. i would have NS be the only browser.. but NS sux.. althogh from a companies point of view.. supporting NS as a suplement to IE is still a whole lot more reasonable than supporting mozilla..
.. i have a multitude of browsers on my system.. i have 2 testmachines.. a linux machine just to test how pages look in linux using various browsers.. and a w98 with IE4 and a whole bunch of NS browsers.. opera browsers.. etc etc.. the only thing i haven't downloaded yet is NS 7.. because i don't even wanna go there.. it's gonna be buggy.. i'm so sure.. i don't wanna risk it just yet .. i also have a server wich is also my network server.. wich i sometimes use on my lanparties.. wich works as an internal dev-net.. like a mini internet on wich i can test pretty much any new fun thing i feel like testing.. believe me.. mozilla is buggy.. the js for it is not fun at all to code.. it is slow.. and there's numerous other tiny details that i don't like with it myself.. that has never stoped me from using and making a compatible website for a sertain browser.. but honestly.. if you say that mozilla is superiour to IE.. then i'm sorry but i honestly can't take you seriously.. since if you still "think" that (as you said) you can't be serious
.. the other thing is.. most websites will work on mozilla.. i never said they would'nt.. but not all features that the sites have will work right.. the browser has a few good points.. but it's still behind IE in the most important of aspects.. the buggyness and speed.. also.. just like he said.. if your on Windows.. why download another browser?.. when IE is the leading browser.. another point to why mozilla can't surpass IE in a more wider range.. is companies can't just support it like that.. there's no money behind it.. and you might think "yeah but it has great support etc".. still that don't matter.. not to a company.. so how ever you might want to look at it.. mozilla is'nt the best choise of browsers.. sorry.. but it's the sad trueth .. if i could chose.. i would have NS be the only browser.. but NS sux.. althogh from a companies point of view.. supporting NS as a suplement to IE is still a whole lot more reasonable than supporting mozilla..
AlphaWolf
I prey, not pray.
Malcolm said:
Thats what I am saying, I have only seen 3 things that don't work in mozilla: a few popups, the "feature" that some sites have whereas the back button doesn't do anything (the back button ALWAYS works in mozilla), and sites that use activex (which is just plain evil, if I want to run potentialy dangerous code, I would rather download it first). All are things that I *think* I can do without.
I use both browsers regularly (can't install software on systems that aren't mine), and mozilla is the one that doesn't allow some sites to piss me off. Not only that, but I don't care what anybody else says, mozilla is much faster at loading web pages. (note the two key things that affect my browsing habbits; I am always quickly skimming thruogh web pages, barely spending 5 seconds on one page. Mozilla loads the next page faster, and doesn't allow popups to interfere. So maybe its just me, but IE is more of a burden.)
Also about internet advertizing popups, 99% of it is to get you to buy stuff online, which I never do, I ALWAYS find something locally for a cheaper price (no S&H), unless its a grey market item (which I only buy when I am looking, not just "hey look, we have a scam sale here, you pay us money but get nothing"), so the advertizers aren't missing any money from me by not seeing their ads.
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Tri-Force
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i dont like IE because it's BORING. i hate the light colors all the time. i need change in my browser without having to change my whole windows colors. with Neo Planet the web is (for lack of a better or real word) funner to use. i hate looking up and the design in easy and VERY user friendly.
RatTrap
GODLIKE
Malcolm.. it's not IE.. it's W3C.. get it right .. IE just supports these new litle features that slowly but surelly keep popping up in the w3c commity.. they support them well.. then there ARE MS added stuff too.. sure.. but you rarelly see ppl using them.. since they don't work on NS or MZ..
so what ppl do is have 4 scripts.. in IE you add a tiny piece of CSS/javascript type code that will give the desired effect.. in NS you type a bigger or more complex set of code.. and in MZ it's pretty much the same as in NS only it's abit more confusing.. (it's starting to look better now but it's still has many weird controls going on).. then you make a 4th script for the browsers that don't support this feature at all..
so like i said.. yeah there are litle things added just to IE just by MS.. features that some ppl use.. the thing is.. you make a website with these IE-only features and what happends?.. 90%++ of the surfers will see it.. ok.. then you have tiny features in NS and MZ.. yes each of them too have tiny litle features the others don't have but even though it's not an IE feature.. IE usually has support for them and so they work on IE anyways.. not as well as in the browser that these features are intended to work on but they still work pretty well most of the time..
ok so you can add these MZ or NS things too.. and make your website NS and MZ only.. but then about 4-7% of the ppl who visit your website will see them.. and not only that.. since IE is good at trying to add support for features on other browsers.. (NS isn't.. and neather is MZ).. IE users will most probably see the pages made specifically for mozilla browsers without any trouble.. and most of the time they will see them work better.. buggless.. and fast.. wich won't work the other way around.. if you make an IE only site .. so IE is more versatille.. it'll work on anything.. you could say it's the hore of browsers ..
now you tell me.. if your building a website and you want to let as many ppl as possible be able to see your website.. and you have some very advanced hard to do features in mind.. you want to make something special.. what do you think you'll support.. the last 10%?..
Tri-Force.. NeoPlanet is just another "look" for IE.. it's a strap on interface type thing.. browser wize it's alright since it's IE anyways..
Alpha.. you and i talked online earlier.. you said "i think".. alot.. i don't say i think.. i say i know.. because i do know.. i've worked with this kind of thing for a living for a long time.. and i don't anymore but i still keep myself very updated when it comes to website design/dev and browsers.. mozilla is'nt doing bad.. i'm not gonna say that.. but realistcly.. if your gonna suport something in a website and don't care about supporting IE.. most webdevelopers would at least support NS b4 they would support mozilla.. it's a plain fact.. nothing you can do about it.. IE is the browser how many times you tell me it isn't.. and why it's slow for you is coz your not running the standard windows shell.. you said so yourself online last night.. and well.. that of course i can agree on.. it won't be faster if you are running another shell.. it's like running NS or mozilla under windows standard shell.. it makes mozilla and NS slower bcoz they are pos's.. but IE will still be less buggy then any other browser on whatever shell you run it.. unless the shell don't have good support for running MS real interface.. wich would be kinda stupid..
i could tell you all the buggs etc.. all the javascript problems.. all the layer and tables and divs etc etc etc of problems.. but you won't see it.. because you don't build pages.. you don't do javascripting.. you don't know what's behind.. to really know what your talking about you would need to do all of those things.. and you don't.. so you honestly can't say that 1 browser is better than the other.. i know some ppl that say that konquerer is better than IE.. and in their eyes it is.. but since they don't know jack.. i'm starting to feel like.. why bother correcting them you know?.. wich is why i don't intend to answer to this "war of the browsers"-thread again.. you guys don't know.. you just "think" just like you've said many times.. so well.. end of discussion for me.. if you wanna believe mozilla is the better browser for everyone and that everyone should use it.. go ahead.. i'll just keep on laughing at you though.. l8r..
.. IE just supports these new litle features that slowly but surelly keep popping up in the w3c commity.. they support them well.. then there ARE MS added stuff too.. sure.. but you rarelly see ppl using them.. since they don't work on NS or MZ.. so what ppl do is have 4 scripts.. in IE you add a tiny piece of CSS/javascript type code that will give the desired effect.. in NS you type a bigger or more complex set of code.. and in MZ it's pretty much the same as in NS only it's abit more confusing.. (it's starting to look better now but it's still has many weird controls going on).. then you make a 4th script for the browsers that don't support this feature at all..
so like i said.. yeah there are litle things added just to IE just by MS.. features that some ppl use.. the thing is.. you make a website with these IE-only features and what happends?.. 90%++ of the surfers will see it.. ok.. then you have tiny features in NS and MZ.. yes each of them too have tiny litle features the others don't have but even though it's not an IE feature.. IE usually has support for them and so they work on IE anyways.. not as well as in the browser that these features are intended to work on but they still work pretty well most of the time..
ok so you can add these MZ or NS things too.. and make your website NS and MZ only.. but then about 4-7% of the ppl who visit your website will see them.. and not only that.. since IE is good at trying to add support for features on other browsers.. (NS isn't.. and neather is MZ).. IE users will most probably see the pages made specifically for mozilla browsers without any trouble
.. and most of the time they will see them work better.. buggless.. and fast.. wich won't work the other way around.. if you make an IE only site .. so IE is more versatille.. it'll work on anything.. you could say it's the hore of browsers ..now you tell me.. if your building a website and you want to let as many ppl as possible be able to see your website.. and you have some very advanced hard to do features in mind.. you want to make something special.. what do you think you'll support.. the last 10%?..
Tri-Force.. NeoPlanet is just another "look" for IE.. it's a strap on interface type thing.. browser wize it's alright since it's IE anyways..
Alpha.. you and i talked online earlier.. you said "i think".. alot.. i don't say i think.. i say i know.. because i do know.. i've worked with this kind of thing for a living for a long time.. and i don't anymore but i still keep myself very updated when it comes to website design/dev and browsers.. mozilla is'nt doing bad.. i'm not gonna say that.. but realistcly.. if your gonna suport something in a website and don't care about supporting IE.. most webdevelopers would at least support NS b4 they would support mozilla.. it's a plain fact.. nothing you can do about it.. IE is the browser how many times you tell me it isn't.. and why it's slow for you is coz your not running the standard windows shell.. you said so yourself online last night.. and well.. that of course i can agree on.. it won't be faster if you are running another shell.. it's like running NS or mozilla under windows standard shell.. it makes mozilla and NS slower bcoz they are pos's.. but IE will still be less buggy then any other browser on whatever shell you run it.. unless the shell don't have good support for running MS real interface
.. wich would be kinda stupid..i could tell you all the buggs etc.. all the javascript problems.. all the layer and tables and divs etc etc etc of problems.. but you won't see it.. because you don't build pages.. you don't do javascripting.. you don't know what's behind.. to really know what your talking about you would need to do all of those things.. and you don't.. so you honestly can't say that 1 browser is better than the other.. i know some ppl that say that konquerer is better than IE.. and in their eyes it is.. but since they don't know jack.. i'm starting to feel like.. why bother correcting them you know?.. wich is why i don't intend to answer to this "war of the browsers"-thread again.. you guys don't know.. you just "think" just like you've said many times.. so well.. end of discussion for me.. if you wanna believe mozilla is the better browser for everyone and that everyone should use it.. go ahead.. i'll just keep on laughing at you though
.. l8r..
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Tri-Force
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the reason for my original question was not to ask what browsers work best with more sites but to ask what browsers are the most user friendly. and what browsers have their own intergrated E-Mail and easy to use favorites and crap like that. i could care less about Java and crap like that. and i KNOW that Neo Planet is a skined IE but it does WAY MORE and is EASIER TO USE than IE.
AlphaWolf
I prey, not pray.
RatTrap said:
Alpha.. you and i talked online earlier.. you said "i think".. alot.. i don't say i think.. i say i know.. because i do know.. i've worked with this kind of thing for a living for a long time.. and i don't anymore but i still keep myself very updated when it comes to website design/dev and browsers.. mozilla is'nt doing bad.. i'm not gonna say that.. but realistcly.. if your gonna suport something in a website and don't care about supporting IE.. most webdevelopers would at least support NS b4 they would support mozilla.. it's a plain fact.. nothing you can do about it.. IE is the browser how many times you tell me it isn't.. and why it's slow for you is coz your not running the standard windows shell.. you said so yourself online last night.. and well.. that of course i can agree on.. it won't be faster if you are running another shell.. it's like running NS or mozilla under windows standard shell.. it makes mozilla and NS slower bcoz they are pos's.. but IE will still be less buggy then any other browser on whatever shell you run it.. unless the shell don't have good support for running MS real interface
Actualy the shell you run doesn't make a difference, no matter what computer I use, IE goes slower (even on faster systems). Also with your perspective on buggy I can see what you are talking about. You look how the browsers layout engine draws webpages, and notice differences here and there, which the non developer like me tends to ignore. When I refer to buggy, I mean how long/much I can use the browser until it crashes/freezes. Mozilla has only crashed twice that I can recall, whereas IE still does it on a daily basis. I guess mozilla isn't for everybody, but it definitely makes surfing the web a lot easier/more comfortable to me.
I guess thats just because of my browsing habbits though, I much prefer a simple strait to the point layout (like www.google.com) over something full of content that I never bother to look at, nor care about (like www.go.com, www.excite.com, or www.yahoo.com). I just hit the page, get the info I am looking for (as opposed to what the site webmaster wants me to find), then go, and mozilla makes that easiest. EOD for me.
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