Yeah, well, i am mainly buying a new video card because 1) It's my birthday in about 3 weeks, and 2) this one is dying (one of the VGA Adapters died about a month ago, down to one monitor! *cries*) as for the 9500 Pro, i will agree, I like the looks of the card, and if it drops in proce a bit, I'll buy that, but I won't be able to con my parents into 200 dollars for a birthday present, and I refuse to ask for it for xmas, (i wants me a 12 string guitar) so it comes down mainly to price, i MIGHT be able to afford the 9500 Pro, should someone be overly generous with birthday money giving, but otherwise I'm gettiv the 9800SE, though now that you people have mentioned it, those 4 rendering pipelines are bugging me, *twitch*