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The one that stated that it was horsepowers that sells....You are in error. The reason PS won over the N64 was not because of power. The N64 was more powerful than the PS, yet it lost. That's because the N64 was using cartridges, which not only limited game creation, but also was very expensive to produce. The competition at the time (PS) was cheap to develop for, the medium was also cheap and also game creators weren't limited by the medium as was the case with the N64. One could say that the cartridges was the source of the N64's loss against PS, but it would be more accurate to say that it was the result left by the cartridges that made the N64 lose. This result is the fact that most 3rd party jumped to Sony's console.
THIS is what makes or breaks a console. 3rd party support! This is so important, that one can say that having most of the 3rd party developers on your side (most of them exlusively) is equavalent to winning the console war. If the 3rd party had stayed with the N64, despite all the difficulties, who would have won? It would have been the N64, cause there wouldn't be any games (or too small selection) to play on the PS.
Nintendo realized this and nearly all of their strategies with GC were based on getting the 3rd party back to their console. This failed because of mainly two reasons, their previous image leftover from the N64 era and the fact that they weren't different enough. If 2 consoles were nearly identical, yet one had a stronger brand name, which would the 3rd party developers eventually (be forced to) choose? Of course, the PS2. The PS2 was the WEAKEST console, yet it crushed both GC AND the xbox. That's because the PS2 had the MOST amount of 3rd party developers. When a console has the most amount of 3rd part developers, as a result they will also get the MOST amount of games. Casual gamers will go for the console with the greatest quantity of games, no matter how mediocre most of them are.
Enter the Revolution. It has already been demonstrated numerous times that it isn't horsepower that sells. This is proven in the handheld sector as well as in the console sector. The ability to get the 3rd prty developers on your side is what will lead to victory.
Nintendo has applied the same strategies to the Revolution as it did the GC, but perfected them. Cheap to develop for with a devkit even cheaper than a psp devkit, makes use of a well established medium, easy to program for and this time their image among developers has been completely turned around. The last point is especially the most important. Being able to hype up the 3rd party developers to this extent is like doing half the work necesary for winning the war. Numerous sites have already mentioned that the Revolution is pretty hyped under 3rd party developers, but if you are not convinced, visiting this link might change your mind: http://www.n-sider.com/articleview.php?articleid=497
Not having HD is not even important compared to having 3rd party support. Even a graphically inferior console will crush a more powerful console with support backing it. In fact, not having HD might be another incentive to gain 3rd party developers (well, atleast later on and not at the outset). Not having HD included makes it cheaper to develop games. Normally, i would have said that a graphically superior game would sell better than a graphically inferior game, but that only applies when the games are similar. 3rd party cross platform titles will perhaps sell better on the Rev, just because the games will have motion sensitivity. It's similar to how Soul Calibur sold more on the GC than the other versions, just because it had Link included. Motion sensitivity may have enough pull to accomplish a similar feat, even if the other titles have HD. I think this benchmark, the performance of cross platform titles on each console, is what will decide if all of the 3rd party developers will definately jump ship.
Obviously, to make fully use of the Revolution controller, it's best to create unique titles from the ground up. It seems 3rd party developers realize this and an uncharacteristic amount of unique titles are already underway (according to Matt from IGN). So even in the event that HD proves to be a bigger pull for cross platform titles than motion sensitivity, this alone may be able to compensate for that.
There are many other things in favour of the Revolution, but my post would get to be too big if i wrote them all down. Point of the matter is, the Revolution has the most balanced scheme ever in attracting 3rd party developers (as evidenced with the link i supplied). The problems that Nintendo had with the GC are mostly addressed with the Revolution. And this time around, it's Sony that's making life difficult for 3rd party developers. You do the math.
I don't think Sony will be crushed, but i think it's safe to say that this time around, Nintendo will be breathing at their necks.
THIS is what makes or breaks a console. 3rd party support! This is so important, that one can say that having most of the 3rd party developers on your side (most of them exlusively) is equavalent to winning the console war. If the 3rd party had stayed with the N64, despite all the difficulties, who would have won? It would have been the N64, cause there wouldn't be any games (or too small selection) to play on the PS.
Nintendo realized this and nearly all of their strategies with GC were based on getting the 3rd party back to their console. This failed because of mainly two reasons, their previous image leftover from the N64 era and the fact that they weren't different enough. If 2 consoles were nearly identical, yet one had a stronger brand name, which would the 3rd party developers eventually (be forced to) choose? Of course, the PS2. The PS2 was the WEAKEST console, yet it crushed both GC AND the xbox. That's because the PS2 had the MOST amount of 3rd party developers. When a console has the most amount of 3rd part developers, as a result they will also get the MOST amount of games. Casual gamers will go for the console with the greatest quantity of games, no matter how mediocre most of them are.
Enter the Revolution. It has already been demonstrated numerous times that it isn't horsepower that sells. This is proven in the handheld sector as well as in the console sector. The ability to get the 3rd prty developers on your side is what will lead to victory.
Nintendo has applied the same strategies to the Revolution as it did the GC, but perfected them. Cheap to develop for with a devkit even cheaper than a psp devkit, makes use of a well established medium, easy to program for and this time their image among developers has been completely turned around. The last point is especially the most important. Being able to hype up the 3rd party developers to this extent is like doing half the work necesary for winning the war. Numerous sites have already mentioned that the Revolution is pretty hyped under 3rd party developers, but if you are not convinced, visiting this link might change your mind: http://www.n-sider.com/articleview.php?articleid=497
Not having HD is not even important compared to having 3rd party support. Even a graphically inferior console will crush a more powerful console with support backing it. In fact, not having HD might be another incentive to gain 3rd party developers (well, atleast later on and not at the outset). Not having HD included makes it cheaper to develop games. Normally, i would have said that a graphically superior game would sell better than a graphically inferior game, but that only applies when the games are similar. 3rd party cross platform titles will perhaps sell better on the Rev, just because the games will have motion sensitivity. It's similar to how Soul Calibur sold more on the GC than the other versions, just because it had Link included. Motion sensitivity may have enough pull to accomplish a similar feat, even if the other titles have HD. I think this benchmark, the performance of cross platform titles on each console, is what will decide if all of the 3rd party developers will definately jump ship.
Obviously, to make fully use of the Revolution controller, it's best to create unique titles from the ground up. It seems 3rd party developers realize this and an uncharacteristic amount of unique titles are already underway (according to Matt from IGN). So even in the event that HD proves to be a bigger pull for cross platform titles than motion sensitivity, this alone may be able to compensate for that.
There are many other things in favour of the Revolution, but my post would get to be too big if i wrote them all down. Point of the matter is, the Revolution has the most balanced scheme ever in attracting 3rd party developers (as evidenced with the link i supplied). The problems that Nintendo had with the GC are mostly addressed with the Revolution. And this time around, it's Sony that's making life difficult for 3rd party developers. You do the math.
I don't think Sony will be crushed, but i think it's safe to say that this time around, Nintendo will be breathing at their necks.
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WhiteX
New member
read the whole post dude.
Once again, it is not that i am against new things, but it will be more difficult to implement Revo specific features into multiplatform games.
My paradigm is said to be wrong by you guys, but every game released seems to push hardware over and over towards its edge, ok , I am wrong, but the truth about next gen remains to be seen.
The source for your information is highly biased,come on, N-Sider!
The third party support also remais to be seen, both N64 and GC were said to have a large support base and they failed at it.
WhiteX said:
Ok, i already said that power can sell, as long as the games are similar. So i do agree that power can be a factor. I'm only not certain that power will make that much of a difference here.
And according to Iwata people misunderstand the controller, because it will still be possible for multi platform games to be designed for the Revolution. According to him, it's similar to how developers used PS2 as base (since it was the weakest console) for cross platform titles, so he doesn't see any problems. I don't see an problems either, cause each and every crossplatform game is capable of using the shell. Even with the shell, the controller will still retain the motion sensing capabilities.
And about the source, it shouldn't really matter if it's biased or not, cause if you went through the link i provided, you will see that it contains 3rd party quotes. It's hard to give a biased spin on a quote. Biased or not, there's no denying that 3rd party developers have actually uttered these statements. Most of those quotes have been highly positive. Atleast we are certain that Revolution will get a better start than the GC.
WhiteX said:
Mark Rein also updated his quotes. He says that the Unreal 2 engine should be more than enough for Revo. It's still possible to do Unreal 3 engines (and there will probably be a few games with unreal 3 engines), it's just that he suspects it will be difficult to do, so they'll opt to use the unreal 2 engine.
I'm not sure how correct his opinion is on this matter, since i've read some opinions from another middleware producers as well, and according to him, Mark Rein is exaggerating (check joystiq, useful info there).
Here's a link with some insights about the subject: http://www.joystiq.com/2006/03/28/heard-gdc-no-unreal-engine-3-on-revolution/
All in all, the Unreal 3 engine is definately possible on Revolution. How it will be, compared to the competition is another question.
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Everything does not require HD resolution, they are just being picky and stupid.WhiteX said:
ShizZy
Emulator Developer
This seems kind of stupid if you ask me. What use is there in marking a console out by numbers? Not too mention entirelly different arcitectures, you cannot compare x86 to PPC. I'm going to wait for it before I make any judgements. And to be honest, I'm pretty damn excited, simply because this is the big N we're talking about here 
CockroachMan
New member
Voi-la
http://www.endangeredgamer.blogspot.com/
Revolution's first game pics..
I must say that the graphics are better then I expected...
http://www.endangeredgamer.blogspot.com/
Revolution's first game pics..
I must say that the graphics are better then I expected...