it wont be a gf4 beater in terms of speed for definite. it probably is on par with a standard gf3. i heard fantastic stuff about image quality, ATI has always excelled in that area. also SmoothVision apparently really enhances some older games. it depends on how much ur willing to spend and wat ur want the card to do. if u want raw speed, the latest features (likely to become standards) get a geforce4. if u want an excellent feature filled card ATI's packages are always full of promise. and image quality is excellent too, plus the price can be found quite cheap. one thing though, i doubt anything will compare with nvidias drivers.