Comments on Windows XP SP1

[ra5555]

As most of you know, windows xp SP1 has just came out from the good old Microsoft.

However, due to that fact that Bill GATE$ still want$ more dollar$, its company have introduced additional technological measures aimed at ensuring licensed customers receive full benefits and to make it more difficult for those who pirate software to steal these same benefits. Upon installation the SP1 patch will check for your product id key, as far as I know, the majority of the pirated version contains the same 2 product id numbers, and if you are using one of the 2 id keys (wared versions), setup will halt upon installation. The romer that the patch will destory the system containing a pirated version of WinXP is fortunately unture.

microsoft's new Services pack aimes fixing lots of sercurity issues found in XP, it contains all the fixes up untill Aug 2002.

From Microsoft

This release also Ensures licensed customers receive full benefits Eligibility for Windows XP Service Pack 1 and Windows Update Licensed customers will continue to enjoy product updates and access to Windows Update. Service pack 1 will fail to install on Windows XP installations using either of two well-known pirated product keys. Additionally, Windows Update will verify the product key used to install Windows XP against a list of valid product keys to ensure installations made with cracked or pirated product keys will not receive access. Additional grace periods for hardware out-of-tolerance situations Users will have up to 3 days to re-activate Windows XP after making a hardware change that triggers the need to re-activate. Previously, users were required to re-activate immediately upon the next boot after the hardware changes were made. Volume license key (VLK) encryption An encryption feature will be added to unattended setups of Windows XP with Service Pack 1. Customers who place their VLK in an unattended setup file (unattend.txt) will be able to encrypt the VLK such that it will be time limited and hidden from plain text. Raising the bar on pirates Product key inclusion in Installation ID for activation In order to protect customers and Microsoft against product key attacks, the product key used to install Windows will be included in the Installation ID for all activations completed after SP1 has been installed. Internet activations will send the entire product key while telephone activations will send a hash value of the product key in order to limit the increase in size of the telephone Installation ID.. Repair of activation circumventions Service Pack 1 for Windows XP will contain fixes to cracks used by software pirates to circumvent activation. Installations of Windows XP patched by a crack will require activation after SP1 has been installed.

However I am confident that some one will come up with a crack for this service pack within a few weeks.

more information can be found at
http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/basics/activation/windowsxpsp1.asp

please share your comments.
:linux:

[iq_132]

Of course it will be cracked, but if you're smart, you'll look for a different version of XP... I have Pro Corp... and if you're really really smart, you'll find the key and make your own... SP1 doesn't check for those :)

[ra5555]

From Microsoft's FAQs page:

you can see that a cracked version of the SP1 patch probably won't be able to access windows update, but who need it anyways :P.

What about the Windows Update check of the product key? And also during activation the product key is now provided? How does Microsoft know whether a customer is using pirated or genuine product key in these instances? And what about privacy in these matters, as the check is occurring on the Microsoft end?
For Windows Update, the product key and product ID are verified by Windows Update. There is no link to the activation system. Once the product key and product ID are validated, they are discarded; neither the key nor the ID are maintained after the validation check.

For activation after SP1 has been installed, Microsoft uses the product key as part of the Installation ID to determine if it is legitimate. If it is not legitimate, the activation request is denied. In this case, the product key (along with the entire installation ID) is kept as part of the error record. Remember that no personally identifiable information is required to activate.

[iq_132]

And, there are ways to change your key if you've already installed windows... if you look hard enough.

[ra5555]

Originally posted by iq_132
And, there are ways to change your key if you've already installed windows... if you look hard enough.

Its not the cd Key SP1 checks, its the product ID..

you can find it by right clicking on my computer - properties - and go to the general tab

[iq_132]

Uhhh... I'm pretty sure it checks the keys... you did say it yourself.. right in your first post... you might want to read it some time.

[AlphaWolf]

It's pretty damn easy to get around that, I have already done so on my PC that I use as a test bed for bad software like this. But quite honestly, SP1 does more bad for your system than good - its not worth it, pirated or not, trust me. (for one the system now runs slower and has a lot more "Retarded user" nags).

[ra5555]

Originally posted by iq_132
Uhhh... I'm pretty sure it checks the keys... you did say it yourself.. right in your first post... you might want to read it some time.

hmmm I think I said Id... anyway here is the faqs from microsoft

What happens to a customer who tries to install SP1 onto a Windows XP install made with one of these pirated keys? Are there any exceptions to this?
They will be unable to install the update until they have acquired genuine software and installed that software with a valid product key. Nothing will happen to their underlying Windows XP installation. Access to upgrades and service releases is a benefit that Microsoft offers to those who have acquired and use genuine Microsoft products only. There are no exceptions to this.

What should a customer do if they find they unwittingly acquired a pirated copy of Windows XP? How can a customer acquire a legitimate license for Windows XP if they find that theirs is pirated?
The customer should go back to the point of purchase and demand a refund or a genuine copy of Windows XP. Customers can also contact Microsoft directly at http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/reporting/default.asp and report the piracy.

Customers can acquire a legitimate copy of Windows XP from a trusted retailer or PC manufacturer.

What are the product keys that are affected by this?
We are not publishing the product keys themselves, however the product IDs generated from these product keys are (where X may be any numeric value):

XXXXX-640-0000356-23XXX
XXXXX-640-2001765-23XXX
The product ID can be found by right clicking on My Computer and choosing Properties and viewing the General tab.

What about the Windows Update check of the product key? And also during activation the product key is now provided? How does Microsoft know whether a customer is using pirated or genuine product key in these instances? And what about privacy in these matters, as the check is occurring on the Microsoft end?
For Windows Update, the product key and product ID are verified by Windows Update. There is no link to the activation system. Once the product key and product ID are validated, they are discarded; neither the key nor the ID are maintained after the validation check.

For activation after SP1 has been installed, Microsoft uses the product key as part of the Installation ID to determine if it is legitimate. If it is not legitimate, the activation request is denied. In this case, the product key (along with the entire installation ID) is kept as part of the error record. Remember that no personally identifiable information is required to activate.

[bodie]

pretty useless on the part of microsoft to cripple certain updates for pirated software when most of what you'll need is in the sp1 ,and that at the most all you will need is the odd critical update ... i love microsoft ,they have given me a lifetime of laughs .. rock on bill :colgate:
bodie

[Stezo2k]

Originally posted by ra5555

Originally posted by iq_132
Uhhh... I'm pretty sure it checks the keys... you did say it yourself.. right in your first post... you might want to read it some time.

hmmm I think I said Id... anyway here is the faqs from microsoft

What happens to a customer who tries to install SP1 onto a Windows XP install made with one of these pirated keys? Are there any exceptions to this?
They will be unable to install the update until they have acquired genuine software and installed that software with a valid product key. Nothing will happen to their underlying Windows XP installation. Access to upgrades and service releases is a benefit that Microsoft offers to those who have acquired and use genuine Microsoft products only. There are no exceptions to this.

What should a customer do if they find they unwittingly acquired a pirated copy of Windows XP? How can a customer acquire a legitimate license for Windows XP if they find that theirs is pirated?
The customer should go back to the point of purchase and demand a refund or a genuine copy of Windows XP. Customers can also contact Microsoft directly at http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/reporting/default.asp and report the piracy.

Customers can acquire a legitimate copy of Windows XP from a trusted retailer or PC manufacturer.

What are the product keys that are affected by this?
We are not publishing the product keys themselves, however the product IDs generated from these product keys are (where X may be any numeric value):

XXXXX-640-0000356-23XXX
XXXXX-640-2001765-23XXX
The product ID can be found by right clicking on My Computer and choosing Properties and viewing the General tab.

What about the Windows Update check of the product key? And also during activation the product key is now provided? How does Microsoft know whether a customer is using pirated or genuine product key in these instances? And what about privacy in these matters, as the check is occurring on the Microsoft end?
For Windows Update, the product key and product ID are verified by Windows Update. There is no link to the activation system. Once the product key and product ID are validated, they are discarded; neither the key nor the ID are maintained after the validation check.

For activation after SP1 has been installed, Microsoft uses the product key as part of the Installation ID to determine if it is legitimate. If it is not legitimate, the activation request is denied. In this case, the product key (along with the entire installation ID) is kept as part of the error record. Remember that no personally identifiable information is required to activate.

Yep, but the product key is generated from the serial number u have put in when u installed it/changed it

Stez

[ra5555]

ho, by the way, I did a crack.. and it worked

[Mayco]

i don't know if i am allowed to post this here, but if a mod/admin doesn't like it, just give me a warning and i will remove this post (or do it yourself :))

I attached some program to change the product key. Yes, also that version of xp can be blocked. So if you have a pirated version of windows (it doesn't matter wich version, Home edition, professional editiopn or corporate) and you want to update it with the sp1, you have to use this :cool:

[iq_132]

I'm pretty sure it isn't allowed... it won't stay for long.

[Eagle]

Yeah, I'm afraid I'm going to have to remove it. But not till after I d/l it ;)

[Allnatural]

Originally posted by Eagle
Yeah, I'm afraid I'm going to have to remove it. But not till after I d/l it ;)
:happy:

I got it too.;) Just in case.:innocent:

[Mayco]

well, at least some people have it now :)

[adi]

sp1 works brilliantly for me. i did a clean install with it slipstreamed and everything runs a bit faster, especially directx games like virtua tennis. i recommend it

[Eagle]

Well, I'm going to be getting a free XP fully legit version from my school like I mentioned in the Talk of the Town WinXP post, but just in case, I'm hanging onto the patch.

BTW, this may sound odd, but I've never heard of this slipstream thing (except on Star Trek: Voyager, where it was a theoretical improved warp drive) can someone tell me what it is?

[iq_132]

I have no Idea, but here's a link to tell you how to do it
http://www.tacktech.com/display.cfm?id=160&object=article.cfm

[2bzy4ne1]

Originally posted by Eagle
BTW, this may sound odd, but I've never heard of this slipstream thing (except on Star Trek: Voyager, where it was a theoretical improved warp drive) can someone tell me what it is? I'd like to know as well...???

[AlphaWolf]

Originally posted by 2bzy4ne1

Originally posted by Eagle
BTW, this may sound odd, but I've never heard of this slipstream thing (except on Star Trek: Voyager, where it was a theoretical improved warp drive) can someone tell me what it is? I'd like to know as well...???

Also have you ever heard of this .net thing? Microsoft says its supposed to revolutionize internet commerce, but its already on service pack 2 and I have yet to understand what *exactly* it is :happy:

[Eagle]

Microsoft .NET is the Microsoft XML Web services platform. XML Web services allow applications to communicate and share data over the Internet, regardless of operating system, device, or programming language. The Microsoft .NET platform delivers what developers need to create XML Web services and stitch them together. The benefit to individuals is seamless, compelling experiences.

http://www.gotdotnet.com/team/upgrade/dotnet_general.aspx

[AlphaWolf]

Originally posted by Eagle

Microsoft .NET is the Microsoft XML Web services platform. XML Web services allow applications to communicate and share data over the Internet, regardless of operating system, device, or programming language. The Microsoft .NET platform delivers what developers need to create XML Web services and stitch them together. The benefit to individuals is seamless, compelling experiences.

http://www.gotdotnet.com/team/upgrade/dotnet_general.aspx

Thats it? er....wasn't that the point of XML? I mean, damn, anybody can create XML content easy as is, and why do they need proprietary services for it? And I don't understand what about it that .net makes so "seemless", and why they named a compiler and operating system version .net.

I am still lost.

EDIT: Also I feel like it will be fun to play shithouse lawyer.

I reviewed the DRM EULA, and microsoft makes you acknowledge that they can put any updates on your system at any time, quite interesting.

On an unrelated note, I consider some content at the microsoft.com domain to be offensive to my political beliefs, so I am hereby configuring my router to block access to it from all computers within my private home network.

:devil:

[adi]

eagle, a slipstremed windows xp cd is one where the cd's installation files have already been updated with service pack 1. This means that once you do a clean install of xp with a slipstreamed disk, the updates are already there, you don't have to download anything else or go to windows update. Advantages are driver and software problems fixed in sp1 are in your computer before you install your first program.

[flow``]

yea..
i did it with Wink2 pro ( http://www.bink.nu/bootcd )

basically you rip the cd, apply the updates to it, and re-burn it, so the next time you isntall it you already have the updates ;)

i also did it last night with Office XP SP1 and SP2 ( http://www.viperlair.com/articles/guides/offxpsp1/offxpsp1.htm) (thnx evilone!)

usually system admins who have to maintain a lot of pc's will do this to save time and will also throw any drivers/updates on the cd so they dont have to be downloaded again and again

[ra5555]

I don't know If I am allowed to post this link but here is one link that explain detaily how to apply SP1 with a pirated version of Windows XP

[REMOVED]

hopefull it will be allowed to stay :)

[Eagle]

OK guys cut it out or the entire thread goes bye bye. If you dont know if your allowed to post it then chances are, your not. Pirated material or information on pirated material is not allowed.

[ra5555]

ok sorry eagle... it won't happen again :P

[Eagle]

Heh, I operate on a 3 strikes policy. ;) I've already removed two illegal links/files :P

[Mayco]

and downloaded 1 file :)

[ra5555]

lol:D

[adi]

PIRACY PIRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACY PIRACY!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Eagle]

Originally posted by Mayco
and downloaded 1 file :)

Its not against the rules to download others mistakes before the mods get to it. ;) And since I'm the mod..... :P

[Stezo2k]

ur a pretty cool mod then :)

Stez

[Mayco]

damn, being a mod is cool :)

[iq_132]

I want to be a mod... waaaaahhhh..... uh... yeah.

[Mayco]

who doesn't want to be a mod?

[Stezo2k]

dont we all wana be one hehe, i wouldnt mind being one, but im sure theres too many at the moment anyways :)

stez

[Eagle]

Actually there probably isnt enough, most of them dont visit the forums and dont moderate like they should. I guess they have better things to do :( Especially since Marty decided SuperMods were not working out, which is understandable, mods like me who could check any forum are now limited to mod powers in specific forums.

This isnt a bad thing though as the whole Admin/SuperMod/Mod thing was kind getting out of hand so now we just have 3 Admins (Marty, Redah, and Braveheart) and the rest of us are mods or staff members that only have abilities in specific places on the board. This was discussed in detail in the "Staff Only" forum and although Martin had already made his decision, most of us agreed it was for the best anyway. He has done some moving about, like he added me to this forum and IRC Quotes, but they are rarely in need of a moderator as people seem to be behaving, which makes my job easier.

I'm just glad I'm not a mod for Waaay Off Topic or Talk of the Town, cause I tried making some command decisions in there when I could and usually got screamed at for it :P Of course I've also tried to lighten up since then.

In short its really not all that big of a deal, those who arent moderators usually see it as some sort of power trip but its really not as you are limited to what you can do by the resident forum god, (namely Martin) and the rules he makes, we just try to enforce them and make suggestions to make them better.

[RPGlover12]

I think martin should make me and Anchel Moderators :devil: and were gonna rule the board like hell :devil: and we shuold become admins too ;)

[Eagle]

Originally posted by RPGlover12
I think martin should make me and Anchel Moderators :devil: and were gonna rule the board like hell :devil: and we shuold become admins too ;)

I gonna ban both your sorry butts if you two dont stop spamming all over the place ;) LOL

[RPGlover12]

hehehehehe k dont worry ;) me and anchel are stoppin soon and y da fuck r u gonna ban us both there are spam gods around here they spam hell more then us (note: i dont spam :))

[Eagle]

I was just joking hence the ;) and LOL

[RPGlover12]

oh hehehehehehe ur sense of humour is a bet dry though ;) i thought u were talkin serious ;)

[Anchel]

It still would be good to be mods both of us ;)

[RPGlover12]

not mods dude! u mean admins ;) its gonna rock ;) ban everyone and do a good big war ;) lol

[Anchel]

"A great power needs a great responsability"

[RPGlover12]

dude dats from spiderman

[adi]

yes .................. it would be really good (agree with them eagle, I think you can shut them up for a few days if you do lol)

[Eagle]

I could shut them up for a few days if I banned them for a few days too :P hehe

[iq_132]

Would you?

[Eagle]

Well, I dont think I have the ability to unban is the problem. I'd have to request martin to do it and that would cause hassel since he doenst come around too much... etc. etc.

[RPGlover12]

eagle dont do this to me or ur really gonna make me cry alot :) well hope that u dont do that ;)

[Anchel]

*Anchel quickly gets another IP adress j/k

[Mayco]

yeah, how can you ban somebody with a dynamic ip?

[Stezo2k]

ban part of the adress, that usually does the trick

/me used to be a direct connect operator :P

Stez

[iq_132]

Don't give Eagle ideas stez!!! :)

[Anchel]

Gulp, I'm starting to fear all mods too much
I'm still having nightmares with Martin's underwear (the one he didn't change for a week)

[Stezo2k]

Originally posted by iq_132
Don't give Eagle ideas stez!!! :)

lol why not :P

Stez

[Stezo2k]

Originally posted by Anchel
I'm still having nightmares with Martin's underwear (the one he didn't change for a week)

oooooooo lol hes guna get it....... :P

[Doomulation]

Originally posted by Mayco
yeah, how can you ban somebody with a dynamic ip?
Ip range, ever heard of it?
Oops, now i gave eagle an idea :P
/me hides

[Trotterwatch]

If you ban an IP range though, don't you ban everyone from that particular ISP?

Not so bad with AOL users though I must admit... apologies to anyone non-lame who uses AOL.

[Mayco]

non-lame AOL users? does that kind of people excist? hehe j/k

[Eagle]

I cant ban by IP anyway, I can only Ban by username and that doesnt prevent them from re-registering. Only Admins can ban by IP.

Anyway, this is getting off topic. Werent we taking about SP1? This IS the Tech Talk forum remember.

[flow``]

i just made a XP pro + sp1 slipstreamed cd and formatted

mmm so nice :)

[Mayco]

Originally posted by Eagle
I cant ban by IP anyway, I can only Ban by username and that doesnt prevent them from re-registering. Only Admins can ban by IP.

Anyway, this is getting off topic. Werent we taking about SP1? This IS the Tech Talk forum remember.

perhaps we can talk about the technical side of banning :)