Warcraft3 - any good?

[yogaman]

Well, I'm considering to get it ... is it worth it? I've heard that it's supposed to be a great game. Can somebody tell me if it is really "that" great? I really liked Starcraft from blizzard whereas Warcraft2 was no match.

thx

[Doomulation]

Yeah, warcraft 3 is a good game.
Except for some limitations. In this game, you have heroes and good units. In this game, strategy is the key. You can no longer make a brute force as in previous games.

But aside from that...it's pretty good.

[Raging Fuel]

Originally posted by Doomulation
Yeah, warcraft 3 is a good game.
Except for some limitations. In this game, you have heroes and good units. In this game, strategy is the key. You can no longer make a brute force as in previous games.

But aside from that...it's pretty good.

Hehe, a downside is that you require strategy? :P

Anyway, I love the game. Go get it.

[Doomulation]

Let me rephrase...
you MUST use strategy.

In campaigns, you have very little gold, and thus with such small armies, you would never be able to use brute force.

[Johnny_Rico]

Warcarft's problem will always remain it's limit for amount of units chosen, it's unrealistic and totally unnecessary.

As a Homeworld fan, I just can't play their games.

[Eagle]

The limit on units is what forces you to use strategy and makes the game more interesting. Also in WC3 if you build too many units, then your gold mine will stop bringing in as much gold, this is called upkeep. It prevents rushing and makes people play the game as it was intended. After all it is a Real Time STRATEGY game, not a Real Time Brute Force game.

WC3 kicks homeworld's arse. I've played the homeworld series, and many of the other RTS games since they are my favorite including C&C/RA, AOE, Homeworld, WarCraft/StarCraft, and a whole bunch more I cant think of right now. Blizzard seems to have the right idea and is dominating with their release of WC3.

[Johnny_Rico]

Is WC3 different from Starcraft?

[Eagle]

Very different. Warcraft 3 uses a new idea never been tried before that mixes RTS with RPG. While the core of the game is Real Time Strategy, there is an underlying Role Play plot to the game as well. Basically you have a hero in addition to your normal units, and he travels with you throughout the campaign. The hero levels up with each kill he makes and can learn new abilities that no other unit in the game can use, while the other units work like a normal RTS. The Hero can also pick up weapons and magics to help him/her along their way. In addition there are hostile critters. Unlinke the critters in previous blizard games, some of them are hostile and will attack (this has been done in other non-blizzard games). While the RPG aspect is removed for multiplayer, it is taken to a new level because you can level up your heroes and make them hard to beat, and if they die, you pay some gold to respawn them and their back with the same strength making it much harder to play against another human. Finally the graphics are completely out of this world. To put it short, I'm not into games that any fool and his mother can play. I want a challenge and Warcraft III gives it to you.

[Sukh]

I'm sorry, but WC3 sux compared to the Age of Empires series. I should be getting my Age of Mythology beta sometime this week and it is sure to kick WC3's ass!

If you can hold out a few months get AOM, unless you've got enough money then get both :)

[AlphaWolf]

Careful with wc3, one of my XP computers always freezes at random with that game (requires power down and reboot to fix). I had a similar problem with starcraft, where it would randomly crash to the desktop, and it was a well known problem that blizzard refused to address, and pissed me off pretty bad. They might end up doing the same with WC3, I noticed a few people on blizzards forum are complaining about this and thus far are getting nowhere.

[Malcolm]

same type of thing happen to me when i play CS/HL, it crashes to desktop :(

[Eagle]

Originally posted by AlphaWolf
Careful with wc3, one of my XP computers always freezes at random with that game (requires power down and reboot to fix). I had a similar problem with starcraft, where it would randomly crash to the desktop, and it was a well known problem that blizzard refused to address, and pissed me off pretty bad. They might end up doing the same with WC3, I noticed a few people on blizzards forum are complaining about this and thus far are getting nowhere.

Its not Blizzard's problem its your video drivers. I know the problem well. They refuse to address it because they cant address it. If its the one I'm thinking of then complain to Nvidia because they are the problem.

[Eagle]

Originally posted by Sukh
I'm sorry, but WC3 sux compared to the Age of Empires series. I should be getting my Age of Mythology beta sometime this week and it is sure to kick WC3's ass!

If you can hold out a few months get AOM, unless you've got enough money then get both :)

I have to agree, I like AOE2 best, but Warcraft comes in a close second. I do think AOM will be awesome too, but its not here yet. If you can afford it I'd get both. When I said WC3 was dominating I was refering to games that have been being release within the last year. But Homeworld is one of my least favorite.

[Reznor007]

I can't stand the "Age of"series, however all of Blizzards RTS games I love. For me Starcraft was easily the best RTS game ever, up until Warcraft3. I would say get it, and preferrably the collectors edition(I did :) ), as it comes with the soundtrack cd, cinematic dvd, 4 prints, and the art of warcraft book, which is really nice.

[ShadowPrince]

Originally posted by Eagle
Very different. Warcraft 3 uses a new idea never been tried before that mixes RTS with RPG. While the core of the game is Real Time Strategy, there is an underlying Role Play plot to the game as well. Basically you have a hero in addition to your normal units, and he travels with you throughout the campaign.

Not true,Ubi Soft did same things in Battle Realms long ago.It's not that Warcraft3 is totally innovative game...But still is best
in it's genre.Best part is the story line,not many pure rpgs have such good plot.
Add to this state of the art graphix,hi quality movies,addictive gameplay.
Other RTS looks just like collection of maps near that one.:)

[yogaman]

errmmm ... well sounds like that wc3 kicks ass.
1) What are the system requirements?
2) How long does the game last? Can you beat the game in a week or so?
3) Has anybody tried to play on battle.net / any good?

thx

[Eagle]

1. www.blizzard.com
2. The game is rather short, but fully supports multiplayer.
3. I havent tried B.net but I have played over LAN and it works well.

[Eagle]

Originally posted by ShadowPrince
Not true,Ubi Soft did same things in Battle Realms long ago.It's not that Warcraft3 is totally innovative game...But still is best
in it's genre.Best part is the story line,not many pure rpgs have such good plot.
Add to this state of the art graphix,hi quality movies,addictive gameplay.
Other RTS looks just like collection of maps near that one.:)

No, Battle Realms was completely different. While it did have heroes, they werent like WC3's RPG style. (Battle Realms was only a year or 2 ago, not that long at all)

[ShadowPrince]

For me COMPLETELY different games is Tony Hawk 3 and GTA 3 :)

You have to admit that Battle Realms and WC3 very similar in all aspects.Just everything that Battle Realms features ,WC3 do
much better .
But it's not the point of this thread anyway,so
bottom line : get this game ASAP if you're not already did it.

[yogaman]

hey eagle, can you tell me how many levels there are in WC3 ... I don't know if we have the same definition for a long lasting game!

[Doomulation]

Originally posted by yogaman
hey eagle, can you tell me how many levels there are in WC3 ... I don't know if we have the same definition for a long lasting game!
About 10 stages in 5 campaigns or something similar.
The first one only has 3 stages.

[AlphaWolf]

Originally posted by Eagle

Originally posted by AlphaWolf
Careful with wc3, one of my XP computers always freezes at random with that game (requires power down and reboot to fix). I had a similar problem with starcraft, where it would randomly crash to the desktop, and it was a well known problem that blizzard refused to address, and pissed me off pretty bad. They might end up doing the same with WC3, I noticed a few people on blizzards forum are complaining about this and thus far are getting nowhere.

Its not Blizzard's problem its your video drivers. I know the problem well. They refuse to address it because they cant address it. If its the one I'm thinking of then complain to Nvidia because they are the problem.

Actualy would you believe that this computer is my only one without an nvidia card? It a 700mhz p3 with an ati mobility (was made before they made geforce cards for laptops). I guess it could be the drivers, as blizzards website does mention a few problems specific to ATI cards, but not any crashes. I can't speak for everybody else on the forums though....(note theres only one listed issue for geforce cards, and 6 for ATI ??? I hate these cards.)

[Johnny_Rico]

Anybody knows 'Kingdom Under Fire'?
WC3 sounds just like this game, only in better graphics.


Originally posted by Eagle
...But Homeworld is one of my least favorite.

You don't have to repeat what you think about Homeworld, it's just irrelevant in this post and insulting.

[Josep]

warcraft3 is cool, can't wait till that other one that blizzard will put out in a few, ...dare i say years?:) whatever the name is, i already forget;)

[Eagle]

Originally posted by Doomulation

Originally posted by yogaman
hey eagle, can you tell me how many levels there are in WC3 ... I don't know if we have the same definition for a long lasting game!
About 10 stages in 5 campaigns or something similar.
The first one only has 3 stages.

Actually I think its 14 levels in 4 campaigns, except the 4th which has 13. something like that. I coudl be wrong on the exact number of levels but it is only 4 campaigns.
EDIT: Oh I forgot about the Intro campaign with 3 levels, I guess that would be 5.

[Eagle]

Originally posted by AlphaWolf
Actualy would you believe that this computer is my only one without an nvidia card? It a 700mhz p3 with an ati mobility (was made before they made geforce cards for laptops). I guess it could be the drivers, as blizzards website does mention a few problems specific to ATI cards, but not any crashes. I can't speak for everybody else on the forums though....(note theres only one listed issue for geforce cards, and 6 for ATI ??? I hate these cards.)

Well it must not be the same one I'm thinking of. It could still be the drivers though. My GF3 never had a problem with WarCraft 3 or StarCraft or Diablo or Diablo 2.

[yogaman]

hey doomulation, who't that avatar chick? your gf or your mum ;) ....

Well, I don't know if I should get WarCraft 3 ...coz I've got an ATI card (Xpert2000) and I fear that it might run slow on a 650mhz pc ..... has anybody tried it on low specs? Does it hang?

EDIT: oh, forgot - the system requirements is at least a p2 400mhz .... but that doesn't tell whether it runs flawlessly or not

[Eagle]

Originally posted by yogaman
hey doomulation, who't that avatar chick? your gf or your mum ;) ....


Sheena, Queen of the Jungle
Doomulation, Princess of the Jungle

[Raging Fuel]

I'm just going off memory here, but I think there are 3 levels in the first (tutorial) campaign, 9-10 in the second, 8 in 3rd and 4th, 7 in last.

[mann]

its very good indeed i play it for hours now a days hehe

[RatTrap]

i hate to spoil it for you.. but i mean whatever.. this is my opinion.. you might come to love the game..

lets start off with saying that i am a big fan of blizzards work so far.. i play D2 lod almost every day.. and wc3 is not at all a bad game.. it's good game.. but thinking about how much hype it got and the bunch of years they've been promising the game (right after the last wc2 expantion pack).. i'm hardly impressed.. i used to play wc1 and 2 and i think i've played the expantion pack for the 2nd warcraft the most.. i beat this 3rd game in days.. not week.. i played it and only lost on the level where you have to kill the peasents b4 the other guy turns them and kills them.. because i thought there might be some other way of finishing that stage.. then when i played it on hard i had to redo the last mission once.. but i mean.. it was NO challenge compared to WC2.. you can go on playing on b.net alot though.. i did for a while.. but quite frankly.. the game is very good looking and all that.. but that's it.. and it really isn't something i would have spent good money on if i had known that it would just be this..

to me it feels like a fastfood type thing.. it don't feel as worked on as they claim to have worked on it.. and RPG-like?.. lmao.. you probably haven't played an RPG b4 have you?.. you think if you can pick up items, gain exp and get more dmg/def etc it's an RPG?.. hehe.. i bet you class Zelda 2 on the nes as an RPG too :p.. when even the big N classes it as an adventure game :p.. if anything.. they added a new ability to the heroes.. the old heroes in wc2 expantion are the same.. only thing missing from them is the exp and picking up items.. so to me.. this whole thing was just a new look.. it's a very nice look.. but sadly.. it feels like a step backwards.. kind of like every big gaming company these days.. everyones making eyecandy.. nobody's making really good games anymore.. it's kinda sad..

[sytaylor]

Originally posted by Malcolm
same type of thing happen to me when i play CS/HL, it crashes to desktop :(

hmm i get neither :blush:

[Engeljaeger]

I ended the last level yesterday...I love that game :D
*lol*...talking of low specs...look at mine...
But I have to admit...with my specs the game is a crumble...when too many units come on the screen I see about 1 frame/s O_o
Well...but I love it anyway :P

[Eagle]

*****SPOILER WARNING*****

The thing I didnt like about it was that the last level was a "Survive for X amout of time" level. I mean there is a loss in satisfaction if you cant end the game by killing the bastard yourself.

[RatTrap]

actually.. you CAN kill him.. it's just DAMN hard coz he has SO much life and kills your units with about 2 hits and your heroes with like 3-4.. i would say it's impossible in hard to beat that map this way.. but in normal it's doable.. i've managed to kill of his town and "peasents" using my flying units to hover and do hit and runs all the time.. this was probably the hardest part of it all.. doing that constantly as i had to organise and build defences etc.. create wisps and 2 more camps near the 2 other goldmines.. move the start up camp down to the orcs.. and creating unitz like a nut since they kept dying all the time..

when i manages to kill his hero gate the first time i was SO happy :D.. then a pesky bunch of monsters came and took out all my flying units near it.. luckylli i had a bunch more on the way.. and since they where weakend i managed to destroy the under work hero gate.. then i aimd all my fire on him.. just for the hell of it.. and it indeed did take some life out of him.. so i continued.. i had monsters all over me.. and he had allready killed off the humans by the time i had revived my heroes.. but i waited since my camp was with the orcs now.. he would come to me.. so after beating most of the undead monsters attacks.. and managing to blow up some buildings.. i used my heroes to slowly lead him into my night elf/orcs camp .. where i had built mega defenses.. so that when he got there.. he was mostly killing my boulder tossing trees :).. and well.. his minions are strong (not as unbeatable as he is but very close).. but i made them all spread out.. and then had groups attacking each one with a litle bit of everything at the same time.. he must have spawnd about 15 huge monsters b4 i managed to get close to killing him.. and then he somehow suddenly had more life again.. so i'm not sure but i think he regenerates mana into life or something like that.. so it took a long time to kill him..

i'm not sure if it was luck.. but he managed to kill pretty much everything i had by the time he was dead.. i managed to survive coz of my superior amount of money and my hero gate being still up.. and using vines on his coming monsters to trap em and kill em b4 they killed me..

after i killed him.. i had pretty much nothing other than my hero gate.. a towntree.. and a few wisps.. and a bunch of money from the 3 gold mines.. still.. for a while there i was sure i would be completly overrun since alot of the buildings he had where still up.. and some more peasents where coming out.. i managed to kill and destroy most important buildings b4 his troops got back though.. since his town was still very limited and had terrible defences..

the only thing to fear where the dragons.. but i managed with some archers.. a good tip is to try and make sure his "woodpickers".. don't collect much wood.. since you can use the convert to treetroll spell and use them against the undead instead.. i used it a whole lot.. also.. make sure all your heroes are at lvl 10.. with all their magic abilities and some type of good equipment.. or else this is just not gonna work.. also hire alot of monsters from the merchants :p.. and one last thing.. use the life fountain.. put a bunch of trees around it.. and keep it closed off so he can't get life with it but that your heroes fitt in there perfectly.. it'll make them survive for a couple of more hits than normal :).. now everyone try it :p.. good luck..

[Eagle]

Yes yes, but killing that one guy isnt the same as ransacking the entire camp like in Warcraft II when you destroy the Portal or in StarCraft when you kill the Overlord.

[RatTrap]

i completly agree :).. like i've said.. WC2 was way better than WC3 in terms of gameplay etc.. only nice thing i found in WC3 is the eye candy.. and even that ain't anything that special if you think about it..

[yogaman]

:( .... you really spoiled that game for me dude ..... and I was expecting the ultimate game ..... *sniff*

[Anchel]

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*I've never played nor seen nor heard about any warcraft game. What are they about?????? (If it says it in the earlier posts, sorry, 'cos I don't want to read them since I saw the spoilers warning)

[Johnny_Rico]

Originally posted by Anchel
...I've never played nor seen nor heard about any warcraft game. What are they about?????? (If it says it in the earlier posts, sorry, 'cos I don't want to read them since I saw the spoilers warning)

It is about a war between orcs and humans and others.
Nothing special. The big issue is the strategy, you can like it or not.

[Eagle]

Yeah, its basically your typical mythological fiction type game. Orc, Humans, Elves, Dwarves, Dragons, Demons, Undead, etc. They are RTS style games like Age of Empires, Command & Conquer, Civilization, and the like where you control multiple units, build a city/civilization/army and go to war.

[RatTrap]

"warcraft: orcs and humans" being the first one.. wich was a huge hit.. and if you manage to find it somewhere (released sometime in the beginning-mid 90s)..

you should play it.. it still plays alot better than most RTS games i've played after that.. the second game with the expantion is close to the same as this one.. only it's alot harder and you have a few more things you don't have in the latest game like ships and stuff like that..

also the magicians and monsters you could call up back then where abit more fun.. not to talk about hellscream who was probably the most charismathic hero in the game ;) .. *slice & dice*..

[Eagle]

Thats another thing I didnt like in WC3. They completely removed seagoing battleships. Or at least ships you can control. That was one of my favorite parts of WC2.