Dark Fox 64 [Archive]

Rasmus

May 27th, 2002, 01:32

please help here

I posted this 6 months ago, It's an issue, which not many people know or care about obviously...

Star fox 64 is VERY dark in game, and it's not my brightness setting, and not my drivers and not my OS, cause it's the same in both xp and 98...

no one seems to have this problem, maybe they never played the real game, or just think it's meant to be dark, but it isn't.

so this time i'd like to see some of you claiming the game to be just fine and bright, to post an in game image, and if it's bright you have convinced me that it's my problem, so please do....???

if it's actually bright for everyone else, please suggest a possible setting to fix my dar fox 64 problem....:cry:

Corak

May 27th, 2002, 02:32

I think YOU should rather post an image of the first level (or upload a savefile) where you think the problem is most visible.
I played the first level once and didn't notice any darkness issues.

conkerman

May 27th, 2002, 02:53

well, ive almost beaten the game, and i dont notice any darkness problem, maybe your gamma values are off, brightness/contrast, or something else, here's a little screen of mine

conkerman

May 27th, 2002, 02:54

ok, here it is

flow``

May 27th, 2002, 05:55

i think mines look about the same last time i ran star fox..

Nokturne

May 27th, 2002, 10:48

yes, it is darker than the actual game. But to be honest, i think it looks better :)

Rasmus

May 27th, 2002, 13:06

look at this image boys, it actually IS much darker than the original, and Corak, if you don't see this, then I bet you never playd Star Fox on the real N64....

soo, any settings to fix this?? and turning up brightness dosn't help...

by the way I tried all 5 verified [!] roms, and they are all the same regarding darkness....

Corak

May 28th, 2002, 00:15

Originally posted by Rasmus
look at this image boys, it actually IS much darker than the original, and Corak, if you don't see this, then I bet you never playd Star Fox on the real N64....

Oh I did actually finish StarFox64 on the original system a couple years ago. But it's too long ago to remember subtelties like these.
The screenshot really looks pretty damn dark admitedly.
I just looked at the exact same scene on my system and yes it looks about the same. It doesn't feel that dark in actual gameplay. I don't have any problem making things out.

conkerman

May 28th, 2002, 00:19

u can jusr temporarily turn up the brightness or contrast, i do that sometimes
conkerman

Smiff

May 28th, 2002, 00:22

ok listen.. i suspect ALL games will look dark because TVs have different levels than monitors (for example, black on a monitor is 0,0,0, on a TV it's something like 16,16,16) These games were of course made for TVs. Jabo doesn't adjust in the plugin because this sort of thing comes free (performance free) in all good drivers.

Rasmus

May 28th, 2002, 12:37

Slougi

May 28th, 2002, 13:55

Doh. Just use a card with TV-out and be done with it. :sleepy:
Better yet go buy the game :P

Doomulation

May 28th, 2002, 16:59

Or get better drivers!

james.miller

June 9th, 2002, 14:25

its only starfox that is affected and yes it is too dark.ive seen this rom run on a few pcs and their all the same. i have the same problem.starfox is very dark while the rest of my roms are fine

this is star fox64

james.miller

June 9th, 2002, 14:33

this is mario kart

Trotterwatch

June 9th, 2002, 15:37

Try changing your gamma settings temporarily for the game, that should fix it... you could also if it's available try turning the Digital Vibrance setting up a notch in the display settings.

james.miller

June 9th, 2002, 15:42

digital vibrance turns the colour levels up - that would only make it worse. changing the gamma would work but youd have to do it every time you played the game

Trotterwatch

June 9th, 2002, 15:45

Well, if you adjusted the gamma, and the digital vibrance it should look better. Digital Vibrance would enhance the improvements.

But anyways, changing the gamma for this one game isn't too much of a hardship is it?

james.miller

June 9th, 2002, 15:51

its a lot of trouble to go to for a single rom when it can probably be fixed so easily

Trotterwatch

June 9th, 2002, 15:55

Well as Jabo's plugin is not in development anymore, a fix is unlikely to occur. Also, it may not be as simple as you would think, changing one command for one game may well affect every other one to their detriment.

james.miller

June 9th, 2002, 16:00

mabey. the easiest way to keep changing the gamma ramp is to use powerstrip3. you can use hotkeys to increase and decrease the ramps at will

Rasmus

June 9th, 2002, 23:45

the gamma settings dosn't change it, it still looks wrong...

james.miller

June 10th, 2002, 00:38

no your right.are we the only people who think star fox is too dark?

Smiff

June 10th, 2002, 02:48

if you think it's easier for jabo to adjust this in his plugin than for you to adjust your monitor/card settings.... really. also could you figure out exactly what it is you think is wrong, that would help.

64ultramaniac

June 10th, 2002, 04:00

What do you want more?

64ultramaniac

June 10th, 2002, 04:10

What-what-what-what-what-what-what-what-what-what-what-
what-what ---------------stop worrying--------------->enjoy
------------->have fun-------------->life is good,so stop complaining
and -------------------->be happy with what you've got

be happy-live longer

Rasmus

June 10th, 2002, 15:11

I don't think any of u get it, GAMMA DOSN'T SOLVE THE PROBLEM!! i'm just trying to say there is a problem, isn't that what this forum is for?? and in this thread many people have agreed on the problem, so we can leave it here, that's fine with me, but the problem is NOT solved...:sleepy:

james.miller

June 11th, 2002, 00:00

I totally agree - look at my two pics on the first page of this thread. starfox is much darker than mario kart and it shouldnt be.it isnt on the real n64.
the problem is not everybody wants to admit it.
I dont really mind if it gets fixed or not. just please admit it!

Rasmus

June 11th, 2002, 00:35

couldn't agree more james.miller :)

james.miller

June 11th, 2002, 01:08

its only a minor niggle. not a real problem. but its still a niggle. your right - that is what these forums are for - to voice our opinions.please dont take us the wrong way.we love pj64.we wouldnt be using it otherwise:)

The_Amish

June 11th, 2002, 04:52

too dark i used to have star fox (traded in) and that my friend is dark

Smiff

June 11th, 2002, 05:10

my f**ing gawd, download

http://www.entechtaiwan.com/ps.htm

and set it however the hell you like, pink with yellow dots for all i/we care

Rasmus

June 11th, 2002, 16:34

This emulator is donated to dedicated N64 gamers right? why is it a problem then, that someone remember and appreciate the way the games where originally meant to look and play...

The greatest victory for N64 fans and PJ64, is a teamwork on creating the perfect emulator, and to do this, we need to listen to each other.

Maybe Darkfox is no problem for Smiff ao. but it is for some of us who still remember the ol' Starfox days of the real N64, so please respect this, so we can help eachother bring this emulator all the way to the top and make the work on it easier for Witten, Jabo, Zilmar, or whomever trying to bring the N64 world to the PC.

james.miller

June 11th, 2002, 22:56

and i agree rasmus. i hear people hurl abuse at companies who dont offer support for their products. (did any say 'thrustmaster'??)

now i know you are no company, but isnt your aim the most accurate and fastest emulator going?

Rasmus is right - we should work together

Smiff

June 11th, 2002, 23:32

Project64 is OVER and even if it wasn't you haven't provided any useful information to help resolve this.

james.miller

June 11th, 2002, 23:36

star fox is too dark
the sky is too dark
the ships are too dark
everthing is too dark.
turning up the gamma olny makes the brighter textures even brighter - which makes it even worse

Rasmus

June 11th, 2002, 23:50

I respect u Smiff, but u loose this one....

STARFOX 64 IS TOO DARK

isn't that enough to "provide" u think?

I don't know why it is, but it is, that's all....

Rasmus

June 12th, 2002, 00:00

When Falco asks for help in the first level of the game, do u see him in the depth of the picture Smiff?? I don't, and I did on the real N64... Problem: dark textures make him fall into the background....:cool:

james.miller

June 12th, 2002, 00:01

hes right. we all respect you. but you really should be more open to suggestions

naPPy

November 5th, 2003, 15:55

I have that problem with StarFox too. The whole game is really dark. I turned up my nVidia settings but no go, still dark as night. Mario 64 however is so bright it strains my eyes. :crazy:

gandalf

November 5th, 2003, 19:11

Most of N64 games are dark in any gfx plug-in (Road Rash 64 looks horrible with dark graphics)
And another problem,is the sound,afetr 1st level the sound is VERY bad

RJARRRPCGP

November 5th, 2003, 21:18

I had the same type of problem with another monitor I own, but with The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time and it was caused by the monitor.

Some monitors amplify the brightness poorly and are required with a Nvidia video card to increase the brightness with TwinView.

eatnumber1

July 20th, 2004, 06:46

I see, we are going the same way as last time I posted about this issue...

Star Fox 64 though, is one of my favorite N64 games, so i'm not at all pleased with the answers, cause even if you turn the brightness to 100%, it still dosn't look right, so it simply MUST be some kind of a bug, at least admit that... :sly:

But ok, it is somewhat playable;)

i HAD the same problem. although its still too dark on my monitor, i connected it to my tv thru an s-video out on my card connected to a converter to coax then connected to my tv, and i see it fine on my tv. i also saw on another thread in this forum (i forgot which) that if u have an old monitor that could be the problem, and that old monitors usually die by getting darker... so if u have an old monitor that could be the problem