Satourne Ver 1.1P

[Cyberman]

I set up the software (IE pad sound CD plugins etc) enable all VDP1 and VDP2 options set the bios. Then I close Saturne and restart (without a valid CD) however Saturne seems to freeze in the Splash screen saying Initializing. I would think it would complain about a bad CD or something instead of just HANG.

The OpenGL display screen does open .. but it's not the 640x480 setting I made for it. Ideas question go for it. Being that I'm slightly puzzled (I've tried it 10 times like this I'm too patient maybe before asking a question).

Cyb

[PsyMan]

I think that I remember Satourne having this problem on windows 9x.
One (or more) of the plugins cannot be re-initialized.

You can get Satourne to work if you edit "satourne.ini" and delete the plugins paths before you run Satourne. Then you must run the emulator and select all the plugins again (you must not close the emulator after selecting plugins).
Of course you must edit the file each time you want to run the emulator and that's at least annoying...

[Cyberman]

I think that I remember Satourne having this problem on windows 9x.
One (or more) of the plugins cannot be re-initialized.

You can get Satourne to work if you edit "satourne.ini" and delete the plugins paths before you run Satourne. Then you must run the emulator and select all the plugins again (you must not close the emulator after selecting plugins).
Of course you must edit the file each time you want to run the emulator and that's at least annoying... :blink:
So it's an OS issue... hmmm. I would rather he use the registry to store the settings than an INI. Ok.. odd problem I guess :)

Can the plugins etc. be set on the CLI? Sigh. :D

Thanks Psyman.

So now I'll see if I can get it to work.

[Cyberman]

I set everything up .. then

I clicked on Plugins->CD->Configure.
Then clicked in Insert CD.
It then displays in the status bar AZEL PANZER DRAGOON ... then promptly freezes LOL.
Such fun!

Cyb - is it incompatible with win98SE?

[PsyMan]

That's a plugin issue I guess... Try the other CD-ROM plugin. I remember seeing another (modified) CD-ROM plugin over at the Consollection forums, give that a try too :)

PS: It would be better to use the debugger SH2 plugin when you have difficulties running a game.

[Runik]

That's a plugin issue I guess... Try the other CD-ROM plugin. I remember seeing another (modified) CD-ROM plugin over at the Consollection forums, give that a try too :).
I made this one :P
The plug-in can be found in this thread (http://www.forum.consollection.com/index.php?showtopic=165) ;)

[PsyMan]

I made this one :P
The plug-in can be found in this thread (http://www.forum.consollection.com/index.php?showtopic=165) ;)
I don't believe I forgot that Runik made this plugin... :blush:
I'm ashamed of myself :paperbag:

[Cyberman]

Here is what I see when trying to run Satourne :D

[Gent]

Hrm i get this everything loaded and configed. Here after is the bios Render screen that also isnt a prob.
What is not matter what game ive tried it just crashes.

[Gent]

Ok after quite a bit of faffing about and plaenty of bugs along the way, with Psy's help its now working though not superb.

[Cyberman]

All right I'm running win2K I have the proper dlls loaded save one problem.
I can't configure the CD-ROM plugin. It doesn't think I have and CD drives (although I have 3). Suggestions? :D

Cyb

PS:
This is as far as it goes
And beneath that is the list of Drives (or lack thereof)
I've loaded the 2 DLL's it pined for WNASPI.DLL and MSVCR70.DLL as well.

PPS:
Yes I wrote my own screen capture program because nothing worked the way I liked.
However it's definately not perfect sadly. Maybe I'll come up with a better way to work it some other time.
:huh:

[PsyMan]

The ASPI drivers are not properly installed. Download them from here: http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/support/driverdetail.jsp?language=English+US&filekey=aspi_471a2.exe&sess=no

PS: Delete every ASPI related file before installing them.

[Borisz]

Satourne doesn't even start without ASPI. Or it will start but give rounds of cdblock errors. I don't remember.

[Cyberman]

Ok it still doesn't boot however, it does work somewhat. I got the 'Unknown Opcode' error and it yoinked on 0x0000 <-- the opcode, when I attempted to start up a disk image. So it's better, I had to play with the bios and remove the 1/4mbit cartridge thing as well (mutter). Should I reset the RTC and see if it works from that?

The reason it didn't see any disks in not because of the ASPI layer it's because one needs administrator rights to burn CD/DVDs and all my disc drives are writers (LOL). So it ends up that I had to use Nero Burnrights and add my user account to the user group Nero which fixes the problem in summary. I can access ALL my CD/DVD disc including the virtual one now. Adding the ASPI layer probably helped however. I can also burn discs too now :D

By the way you should never run as Administrator unless you are setting up something. It's just not safe. It took MS how long to figure that out? 10 years was it? LOL.

Cyb

[PsyMan]

I see... Try different games to see if you can run any of them. :)

Edit: Your reference to WNASPI.DLL made me think that the ASPI driver was not installed correctly (should be WNASPI32.DLL). >_<

[Cyberman]

I tested with Panzer Dragoon Azel and Radiant Silvergun. I think.
They both set the screen aspect ratio to 352x224 and loc up :)
So I am going to test something else. A simple game might be good.

I believe part of the problem is system rights, it's a bit of a problem to allow an application to access the CDROM at the IOCTL level if they aren't admin. This is a sticky problem in Win2k and above.

I assume you all run yourself at Admin level and run amock on your system?

(I hope you can detect I'm being a bit silly about that but it would be good to know if that is how you have it working under win2K).

Cyb

[PsyMan]

At least Radiant Silvergun should work :\
As you already said this is probably because you're not logged on as Admin but there also another possibility... Unfortunately there's only one way to verify this (try to run it as Admin).

PS: Does your mainboard have an nForce chipset?

[Borisz]

Satourne starts up properly in user mode here. That's probably not the cause.


By the way you should never run as Administrator unless you are setting up something. It's just not safe.
It is.
just install a firewall ;)

[Cyberman]

Ok I've tested things on my computer here is what I discovered thus far
1) I cannot run ePSXe without using an ISO. Weather I'm using Daemon ISO mount OR I'm using the CD doesn't matter it refuses to boot.
2) ISO's will work if the CD plugin supports them.

So there is something going wrong at the low level to load data from the disk bottom line.

Cyb

[PsyMan]

That's strange. What plugins did you try with ePSXe?

[Squaresoft74]

Try using the Force Aspi drivers (http://members.fortunecity.com/forceaspi18/)
Make sure to remove to uninstall your current ones before installing these.

[Cyberman]

1) Look early it was already done :D
2) It seems to be an issue with plugins actually. I'm wondering if the DLL's aren't run with the same authority as the application under win2k.
I tested the internal plugins with ePSXe and it works just fine with an ISO image mounted in Daemon or in the CD-ROM drive. However in Pete's plugin it doesn't work. Also the plugins for Satourne' do not work either. The only way that would work is if the DLL's were being denied access to the low level IOCTL functions.

Cyb

[PsyMan]

Pete's plugin has a "don't wait until drive is ready" option. Try to activete (or deactivate) this option. Also try to use both the ASPI and the IOCTL interfaces (note that RAW reading using IOCTL does note usually work).

I'm going to ask you again... Does your mainboard have an nForce chipset?

[Cyberman]

Pete's plugin has a "don't wait until drive is ready" option. Try to activete (or deactivate) this option. Also try to use both the ASPI and the IOCTL interfaces (note that RAW reading using IOCTL does note usually work).Hmmm let me check this.. might have something to do with it. Ok.. that makes it work (IE IOCTL SCSI instead of Raw). Interesting.


I'm going to ask you again... Does your mainboard have an nForce chipset?No. :D
So far I am not thrilled with Via and SiS chipsets for Motherboards. They both seem to have a lot of bugs. SiS is just plain anoying in there support. At least Via puts useful information on there website. This however isn't the place to whine about it.

Ok Raw doesn't work SCSI ASPI interface does. (ponders this quietly).
I suppose the plugins for Satourne probably use RAW mode. (shrug). I'll experiment more. :D

Cyb

PS: I was able to get Radiant Silver Gun to run. My goodness is it difficult to get this Emu running! LOL. I got it to run ONCE after that I fiddled around a lot but can't get it to work. I think it boots to a certain spot then locks up. :D

[PsyMan]

Are you sure that you're using Runik's CD-Block plugin? He posted a link to it on this thread. It's the only CD-Block plugin that works for me on Satourne. :P

Edit: Since you got it to boot there might be a reason that you can't now...
1. Try to use the debugger SH2 plugin.
2. Try to decrease the number of executed cycles from the options of the emulator (options->other options).

[Cyberman]

Are you sure that you're using Runik's CD-Block plugin? He posted a link to it on this thread. It's the only CD-Block plugin that works for me on Satourne. :P

Edit: Since you got it to boot there might be a reason that you can't now...
1. Try to use the debugger SH2 plugin.
2. Try to decrease the number of executed cycles from the options of the emulator (options->other options).
Yes I'm darn sure. It seems one has to reset everything each time one runs a game on the thing. Even more interesting is the SH2 won't like a Reset (the slave that is). So.. It seems to leave Saturne' in a lurch :D

I am using the debugger Sh2 I suppose I can turn down the number of executed cycles (it says 26mhz equivalent speed or something).

Anyhow here is Radiant Silver Gun SCREAM capture

[Runik]

Satourne doesn't like much the reset ... you should try to stop and restart everytime you want to test a game :P