Kurt Cobain - 10 Anniversary

[Kid A]

Kurt Cobain (1967-1994)
I miss you man.

[vampireuk]

What a gimp he was

[t0rek]

Kurt was cool IMO, and BTW, he didn't suicide IMO

[Trotterwatch]

and BTW, he didn't suicide IMO

He did a bloody good impression of it then!

[t0rek]

In other words... he didn't suicide, it was a complot, and Courtney Love had something with it IMO...

[sir_key]

courtney love is a hot momma...and kurt rocked too...

[Tagrineth]

Big whoop.

Nirvana was blah.

A lot of groups (for example, Soundgarden) spent the rest of their careers trying to get the hell AWAY from the label Nirvana had pioneered for the style of their time.

[2fast4u]

nirvana wasnt that special really, not much wrong with the music but the craze is beyond me. but you know, everytime someone dies early he makes a legend.

[h3h3]

that's true
mainly kiddies listen to nirvana regularly nowadays(in the past it was a really good band though..grunge is still hot)and they stop doing so after a while and then there will be even more kiddies to be exited about the great kurt(but don't even know about the music)..

depressive drug taking persons are not interesting to me at all
i don't see where the "whole hype" comes from...

[sytaylor]

Damn good bvand, damn good musician, who could relate to a generation that nobody had done in the past, a lot of people lost their icon and the person that knew their pain... So I can understand their sadness. I just think its good to see someone recognised for their contribution to music, in retrospect nirvana music doesnt sound special, but at the time they killed (cheesy ass) hair metal :D:D:D:D:D

[vampireuk]

He did a bloody good impression of it then!

God damnit i spat out my pepsi :D

The guy was a complete fucking tool, get hooked on drugs and shoot yourself. Says how weak he was right there.

[AlphaWolf]

who the hell is kurt cobain?

[vampireuk]

who the hell is kurt cobain?

IRC :P

[Alchy]

Nirvana sold more records and became more famous by Kurt being dead than they ever would if they were still going. They'd be cranking out crappy drug-addled albums every few years, which wouldn't be worth listening to, and then in 10-15 years time they'd do an embarassing "comeback" tour.

Don't get me wrong, Nirvana were alright, but what the fuck did they ever do to deserve the attention they got? The only reason they "killed" hair metal was because they displaced its popularity... not all rock/metal music in the 80's was hair/glam, the alternatives just weren't as popular. The very same masses who liked hair metal, had they been born 5-8 years later, would be the ones wearing "67-94" Cobain hoodies today.

[khanmeister]

FWIW, "those other bands" and yes, all the other grunge at the time that came out fits under that label (sound garden, pearl jam, mud dauber, butt plug, etc.) didn't sell near as many albums as Nirvana, long BEFORE he got whacked. And he definitely got whacked. The whole thing was super shady. His brother (step brother, nice guy) went to school with my cousin (fucking lame drunk slut), and he seemed naturally upset about it (though they weren't too close, age wise and otherwise), but definitely suspected foul play.

Drugs though, yeah, if you are on the heavy ones (H or meth) then you are likely to get whacked or die by yourself anyway.

I'm more interested in who killed Kennedy though, and whether Bush Sr. was on the grassy knoll that day or not. It IS known that he worked for the CIA, and that he was in Texas that day. Subsequently he was acting president (under the puppet Reagan) and then actual president, before installing his son GW through a faked election as puppet president under Cheney. Too bad Jefferson, and the other architects and didn't have contingencies for this in the Federalist Papers.

But Nirvana was only a so so band. They were much better than those other (comparatively) low selling grunge acts, however.

I look forward to the next "real rock" movement, after all these Limp Bizkit/Lincoln Park boy bands quit selling.

[sytaylor]

C'mon though it was a good time for rock, bands like Pearl Jam, SoundGarden, Alice In Chains...

[khanmeister]

Well, yeah, but not like the 60's or anything. Those were the days my son... ;)

[AlphaWolf]

Ever notice how big fans of dead musicians always question their death? Elvis, tupac...

/me thinks the whole "mtv generation" thing sucks btw.

[blizz]

I really liked Nirvana when I was younger.

I still listen to Unplugged, but a lot of their earlier stuff just sounds like crap now.

Nirvana superseeded a lot of the other bands around that time with hype, they were a production of their time, and just like other bands of their time, some stuff has lasted and other stuff hasn't

[Xade]

Listen, right, Kurt Cobain just did a more popular version of what others on the alt-rock scene had already been doing for a while.

Sub-Pop launched guys like Soundgarden as well and yet it was Nirvana who got the attention because of the sheer accessibility of their music. Granted, he was a hell of a performer and an intriguing personality, but JESUS... ICON? LEGEND? GENIOUS?!?! C'mon.

If Chris Cornell had died early he'd be the hero, if x or y else died they'd be the idols of the time.

Think about it: Pixies, Soungarden, Pearl Jam, Smashing Pumpkins, NIN, Sonic Youth, R.A.T.M.... and you're saying NIRVANA were the best of the lot?

And it's a different scene, but if guys like Chuck D had passed away (P.E.), it'd be EXACTLY the same scenario. Only Cobain sung about heroin while Chuck sang about politics and relevance.

Don't make me laugh. Bleach was great, Nevermind okayish, the rest... hmm..

[deesse]

Ever notice how big fans of dead musicians always question their death? Elvis, tupac...

/me thinks the whole "mtv generation" thing sucks btw.


yep, it's a strange thing, maybe people always questionning their death because they can't believe...sometimes I feel that superstars can't die maybe because they're special...but it's life

[khanmeister]

Listen, right, Kurt Cobain just did a more popular version of what others on the alt-rock scene had already been doing for a while.

Sub-Pop launched guys like Soundgarden as well and yet it was Nirvana who got the attention because of the sheer accessibility of their music. Granted, he was a hell of a performer and an intriguing personality, but JESUS... ICON? LEGEND? GENIOUS?!?! C'mon.

If Chris Cornell had died early he'd be the hero, if x or y else died they'd be the idols of the time.

Think about it: Pixies, Soungarden, Pearl Jam, Smashing Pumpkins, NIN, Sonic Youth, R.A.T.M.... and you're saying NIRVANA were the best of the lot?

And it's a different scene, but if guys like Chuck D had passed away (P.E.), it'd be EXACTLY the same scenario. Only Cobain sung about heroin while Chuck sang about politics and relevance.

Don't make me laugh. Bleach was great, Nevermind okayish, the rest... hmm..


No, I'd say RATM is the best of that lot, but they aren't a "grunge" band, and neither are the pumpkins, sonic youth, or pixies, if you ask me.

My point was that Nirvana dominated grunge, which was a big movement at the time. They dominated BEFORE he died. But yeah, all grunge is really just polished garage rock in my opinion.

I would like to state though, that Cornell is a decent singer, but across the board compositionally I don't think they had the depth, accessability, marketability or style that Nirvana had. Even if cornell had died, they would not have toppled the grunge monolith that was Nirvana.

[Tagrineth]

My point was that Nirvana dominated grunge, which was a big movement at the time. They dominated BEFORE he died. But yeah, all grunge is really just polished garage rock in my opinion.

I would like to state though, that Cornell is a decent singer, but across the board compositionally I don't think they had the depth, accessability, marketability or style that Nirvana had. Even if cornell had died, they would not have toppled the grunge monolith that was Nirvana.

You think Soundgarden had less compositional depth and style than Nirvana?

Okay, now we're getting sad.

[Xade]

Khan man, go check out Badmotorfinger and Superunknown by the old 'garden, then come tell me Nevermind was an amazing record.

I'm sorry but Tag's right on here.

Even then though, think about the Beatles for a second - what if it was McCartney and not John that had died all those years ago - who would be the legend then?

Cobain, admittedly, probably did more than most to bring grunge to the masses. As I've said though, that was just a case of his target market and accessibility being on the mark whereas other more complex bands (Soundgarden) didn't pander to the crowds in the same manner.

Hence Cobain's suicide... because... of... his own... hypocrisy. David Geffen Company, anyone???

[khanmeister]

Even then though, think about the Beatles for a second - what if it was McCartney and not John that had died all those years ago - who would be the legend then?



Ugh..... Lennon wrote "Imagine" and McCartney was in "Wings".

This is a horrible place to attempt to make your point. Lennon pwned McCartney, in the most obvious of ways. They were both better though, as part of a group, naturally. Many work that way.

[2fast4u]

i love it when people argue with music tastes. it makes about as much sense as the un resolution 1441. :sp_canada

[Xade]

Ugh..... Lennon wrote "Imagine" and McCartney was in "Wings".

This is a horrible place to attempt to make your point. Lennon pwned McCartney, in the most obvious of ways. They were both better though, as part of a group, naturally. Many work that way.

No khan, you're infact wrong. You're using their post-Beatles careers as examples, when infact I was clearly referring to their Beatles output (of which Lennon's later 'works' with Yoko Ono's influence were utterly shit).

Lennon took credit for stuff like Yesterday, when infact this was McCartney's sole work in all but name

This is infact an excellent place to make my point about post-humous legendary status. Were we talking about a solo artist with Kurt Cobain? No, we were talking about his band, Nirvana, and the way in which he lead them.

McCartney and Lennon both lead the Beatles to a certain degree.

Frankly, I think it's fair to say that death gives an artist easy credibility (*cough* Eva *cough* Cassidy), and that you're infact supremely disillusioned to see Kurt Cobain as any sort of true icon, or indeed legend.

[blizz]

I can't stand Imagine....

anyway, Eva Cassidy gained credibilty for her voice, which is fantastic and reviewers have been honest in that they're not overly impressed by her writing, which is dire.

Kurt is an icon. His death made him an icon for better or for worse. Personally I think the music is over rated, and in retrospect I find myself prefering the Pumpkins (How I regret not buying The Aeroplane Flies High when I had the chance). Nirvana are just like Oasis, a commodity of that time that was shopped to us by the record companies which we bought at the time, thats all.

[Xade]

... hence my refusal to accept Cobain as an icon who commands worship.

You can see the logic there, right?

[vampireuk]

It's called personal taste, arguining about music is generally retarded.

[blizz]

... hence my refusal to accept Cobain as an icon who commands worship.

You can see the logic there, right?

his music is irrelevant to his idolatry

There is no logic to your view point, just an emotive answer to the idolatry of his music due to his suicide, you don't like his music so you can't accept his status over more talanted people

[Xade]

his music is irrelevant to his idolatry

There is no logic to your view point, just an emotive answer to the idolatry of his music due to his suicide, you don't like his music so you can't accept his status over more talanted people

Well you've just made a hypocritical criticism of me in that you've acknowledged that there are more talented people out there than him who deserve recognition. So if what I have written is an opinion, then it's shared with you, seemingly.

[vampireuk]

Well you've just made a hypocritical criticism of me in that you've acknowledged that there are more talented people out there than him who deserve recognition. So if what I have written is an opinion, then it's shared with you, seemingly.

Yes we can all use dictionary.com :emutalk:

[blizz]

Well you've just made a hypocritical criticism of me in that you've acknowledged that there are more talented people out there than him who deserve recognition. So if what I have written is an opinion, then it's shared with you, seemingly.

my point was there is no logic behind an opinion, there is emotive reasoning yes, but not logic

[Xade]

I disagree, but then what's the point in arguing this, so...

In my OPINION remembering the death of Kurt Cobain is of LITTLE IMPORTANCE.

And if you've got anything more to say on that one blizz, well, fuck you :D

[Alchy]

my point was there is no logic behind an opinion, there is emotive reasoning yes, but not logic
So opinions are illogical? Or can't contain logic? Funny opinion to have... but then it's not logical, so I guess you're ok by your own standards ;)

So anyway arguing music taste x is better than taste y is kinda dumb. Discussing the relative merits of bands is enjoyable though, and I think the content of this thread so far has been a discussion and not a polar-opinion slagging match. As long as it doesn't get offensive it's alright...

[blizz]

I disagree, but then what's the point in arguing this, so...

In my OPINION remembering the death of Kurt Cobain is of LITTLE IMPORTANCE.

And if you've got anything more to say on that one blizz, well, fuck you :D

fuck you bitch who the fuck do you think you fucking are to have an opinion!

[Teamz]

come on guys this conversation is going nowhere, you like Kurt or not

this thread was only meant to remind about 10th anniversary of Kurt's dead

RIP Kurt

[Xade]

Hah well I think blizz just upped the ante, what with the whole opinion ban and everything :crazy:

Anyway I'm agreed in that this thread has degenerated into suckage. Close at will...