Maxtrix Revolutions: For us that have seen it ;-)

[Remote]

Saw it at the premiere earlier today. Pretty good, the last part of the movie was kick ass but the CG was a bit too much... A lot of this... :gunman:

Any thoughts?

[vampireuk]

No spoilers please ;)

[2fast4u]

indeed. im seeing it tomorrow so back off ;)

[dave_luther]

i didnt like it.

[Xade]

i didnt like it.

You must be the only one. Everyone I've spoken to loves it.

I'm seeing it Friday though, so yeah, keep the plot to yourselves you lucky few, y'hear.

[t0rek]

IMHO the movie was cool until the final part that comes after _______ dies (______ could die, is fine for me) when Neo talks with the machine mainframe, and the Smith Vs Neo fight looked just like Dragon Ball Z. I didn't like it. And then the part with the sunshine and its dialog it's nonsense. Finally IMO the script was very bad, this movie losed all the philosophical dialogs that had the last movies (Reloaded had just a few of them) Well that was my critics to the movie, and I have to add that when I watched Reloaded a months ago I wished to go and watch it again... this time no. And damnn, I had to wake up early in the morning to go and make the line at the theather. It started 8:am here in Costa Rica.

The Matrix 10/10
Matrix Reloaded 8/10
Matrix Revolutions 6/10

[smegforbrain]

You must be the only one.

Nope.

I liked it until the ending.

The ending... well, that was @#$%'ing stupid.

This is not a repeat-viewing movie, imo. Hell, Reloaded really isn't either.

They really should've just stuck to the formula that made the first one work so well.

[Macca]

i reckon it was the perect ending to an amazing trilogy.

i now for a fact that the critics are baggin this movie and a heck of a lot of people dont like it, but i loved it and want to see it again tomorrow

here is a post which i read on another forum which talks about some of it, i reckon the poster and got it pretty spot on. if you havent seen the movie, i dont know what you are doing in this thread cause there are obvious spoilers.





"OKay all. I'm reading LOTS of threads that the basic jist is: I HATED THE MOVIE. Here's why for all those who hate it, particuarly if you liked the first 2. You're probably not "getting" it. And I don't blame you, this isn't the kind of movie you can sit mindlessly watching and only need to think about the witty one-liners when you leave. Sooooo Rather than run through and give you a play-by-play on what my take is on what happened... how about some points to ponder that might shed a little light and understanding... addressed by attacking basic questions we ALL have had to think about....

1. How did Neo Kill Smith? Why the HELL did he let him just COPY him like that?? and HOW did the Oracle end up lying in his place in the puddle after he was unplugged? (P.S> DID HE DIE????)

Alright here's a big one... you have to think in terms of computers and programming for this one (and for lots of this movie that involves the machines especially). Programs don't die, number one. Everytime smith copied himself he simply inserted his code into another program and controlled that program.... but the ORIGIONAL still exists. This is why the oracle came back.. she wasn't dead or destroyed, just her code was buried in that of Smiths. SOOOO neo let his program (the program of the one remember from Matrix reloaded) be taken over by Smith... then he, the deux ex Machina (the talking machine dude who represents the voice of the machines - which is the architect talking, did anyone notice?? ) and the oracle all combined their energy to destroy Smith from the inside out .. just like in Matrix orig. Is neo dead? Well personally I think he was sacraficed as a savior -- very Christlike. Like Christ, being reborn is certainly a possibilitiy (after all he came back to life in the first movie didn't he???) so whether he's dead or not dead is rather irrelevant becuase even if he IS the movie has shown that it is possible for him to come back to life... so that is certainly a possibility if he died. Also keep in mind that Neo is THE ONE and the one is only a program (of which there have been 6 different verisions). THerefore, if Neo the human dies, the program for the one certainly may still exist in the machine databases. Sequel anyone???

WHY was it impossible for Smith to win in the end?

Remember when the oracle told Neo that he couldn't see past the choices that he didn't understand? Smith kept asking Neo WHY this Why that... he didn't understand Neo or his choice or what he had to do.... Neo did. Becuase he understood, he was able to make his choices, proceed (with the alliances of the machines to destroy Smith who was only interested in The INevitable... who did not believe in choice, only purpose.

What's love got to do with it anyways?

I think love is used as a catalyst the whole movie to show that the humans and machines are not all that different after all. Think back to the Indian family with the little girl in the train station. The Father says that any programs who did not have a purpose are destroyed, but becasue he "loved" his daughter he would deliver her into exile in the matrix (protected by the oracle). Neo even asked that he thought machines could not love. The father explained that "love" is merely a word we use to describe certain ideas, that propel our actions. Machines are also capable of making this connections with other programs in a manner of speaking and allowing themselves to be governed by these connections. Notice also that these "programs" of the machine world look very human. This is to show that humans and machines are similar in ways if you look at them in the right way. These things are setting up the alliance that occurs at the end. It does not come out of no where. Remember the whole reason machines enslaved humans is because humans tried to keep THEM enslaved first (This is in the ANIMATRIX).

What is all this about Choice and Inevitability? What does it have to do with the movie?

As far as the relationship between Neo and Trinity... the two represent the power of FAITH and BELIEVING in something. There are lots of religious overtones in this (did anyone notice that neo was lying in the shape of the cross as he was unplugged by deux ex machina??) The point is that FREE WILL is essential. Even though the characters may have a destiny, its still their CHOICE whether to accomplish this destiny or purpose. The point is the CHOICE, or in other words, the means are more important than the end. Neo and Trinity for example. They rely on one another becuase they believe in the other and this believing propels their actions and choices. In the end Neo says "you can't die" trinity says "yes I can". It is not Neo's choice to make here, it was always trinity's choice whether to come with him. Throughout the movie many things are able to take place because the characters believe that they are possible. Morpheous is a prime example he is always believed in neo and what he is capable of. Niobi soon makes this transition into faith in neo and that the war CAN end. it is only as most all of the characters are converted to faith that the movie reaches its conclusion and resolution.

Also keep in mind that the movie is looping in on itself. Right now there is piece, but in the last scene the architect asks the oracle "how long do you think this will last" and she says "As long as it can"..... history is doomed to repeat itself?? Maybe... but there is always HOPE, if one has enough FAITH. That's the point in my mind. Believing that anything is possible if you believe in it enough. Rather a new spin on the old fairytales, huh?

This is getting rather long so I'll maybe do a take two at some later point. I'm still digesting the movie myself. Does any of this help?"

[jollyrancher]

There were a few things I didn't completely understand, but that's not the reason why I didn't like it... in my opinion it's just not that entertaining. Just like being "deep" doesn't make Descartes very entertaining, either, no matter how well I understand it.

[dave_luther]

exactly why i didnt like it, the ending makes it even more confusing opening the scope for more sequels

[Macca]

did you really expect them to be able to wrap up such a huge thing in 2 hours? of course they had to leave something for the imagination

[blizz]

some people read way too much into a film which is really just aimed at being entertaining, nothing more

[vampireuk]

Ah great spoilers the day after the fucking movie is released :rolleyes:

[Remote]

Yeah, but not like anyone is pointing a gun to your head and forcing you to read them...:P

[Hexidecimal]

Meh, I havent seen it yet, and i was really looking forward too it, until about 8 people told me everything about it, i hate you internet, I HATE YOU!

[Remote]

I don't really think that takes the fun out of watching it, of course it's quite nasty knowing everything but there's still a lot between hearing and seing...

[Macca]

roflmao

going to a thread called "Maxtrix Revolutions: For us that have seen it ;-)" and expecting no spoilers, c'mon seriously.

[smegforbrain]

I understood the movies just fine. And in the end, it wasn't what it could/should have been.

Although, blizz, these are, in a lot of ways, thinking-person's movies. That wasn't the problem for me.

If I watch 6+ hours worth of movies, I expect to see an ending. What Revolutions had was a joke.

Oh, and Joel Silver has said no more Matrix movies.

[jollyrancher]

That doesn't mean that someone else won't produce another Matrix trilogy 10 years from now. When there's guaranteed money for a studio there's not much stopping them.

[Remote]

Of course they could but we already know what to expect, no need to re invent the wheel.... I don't know about you but I really don't want to know what happened to the 5 "The One's" before Neo... :P

[Macca]

well they all chose the other door and the system restarted, not much of a movie in that :p

[Remote]

The second choice isn't that good either.. :P The 1st movie had a kick ass lobby scene the 2nd a kick ass car & motorcycle scene and the 3rd a kick ass fight in the rain...

Is it just me or was the CG a little bit to much, the "face" was cool but the setinels could have been done much more realistic... Or less futuristic...

[Tagrineth]

Actually they made a mistake in the last scene, the raindrops were shown as being large streaks when Neo achieved 'light-speed movement' - this is incorrect, raindrops are perfect spheres while falling. They look like streaks to humans because of motion blur.

Anyway, I absolutely loved the entire trilogy. :flowers:

[Moose Jr.]

I just came back from Revolutions. It wasn't terrible, but it had big shoes to fill and no matter how much CGI they laid on, it wasn't going to ever come close with a script like it had. The entire theater was snickering at one time or another. At the death of ______ there were random curses (aww, crap) from most guys, then a small chorus of laughter when everyone figured out no one cared.
I'm somewhat disappointed. Don't get me wrong, it was worth the 5 bucks just to see the battles :robot: in theaters, but I guess I expected more. T3 was the better third movie IMO.

[2fast4u]

well i saw it yesterday nite. i didnt think they could lower the "plot" content down any more after reloaded but, fuck they did :P its entertaining, no more no less. that was about what i expected of it :)

actually more disturbing than the movie was the flock of 15 year olds in front of me who couldnt keep their head still and/or shut the hell up during the movie.

[sytaylor]

i think theres so much most people miss in this movie.. theres a lot mroe depth than many will see, which is unfortunate

[Allnatural]

actually more disturbing than the movie was the flock of 15 year olds in front of me who couldnt keep their head still and/or shut the hell up during the movie.
That's why I only go to the afternoon matinée; usually a week after a film's release. Any more than a handful of people in the theater is too crowded for me. :)

[Tagrineth]

i think theres so much most people miss in this movie.. theres a lot mroe depth than many will see, which is unfortunate

Aye.

At Beyond3D, all of the people who said it sucked (or that Reloaded sucked) made lots of flaws in their reasoning, all of which could be explained through some chunk of dialogue or extrapolated with ease from some scene in one of the movies.

[Gigahurtz]

IMO, I thought the movie was very good, expecially during the "war time". The movie kept me anticiapted for how the humans could win the war and there were some other small surprises in the movie that I wouldn't have predicted as well (like the death of _____). Yeah, it got slow in the beginning but the futuristic human-controlled goliath machines were pretty cool, then Neo vs. Agent Smith with the "Dragon Ball Z" style fighting was I thought pretty cool too. Some scenes I would skip through but some scenes I'd like to watch again.

[aprentice]

actually more disturbing than the movie was the flock of 15 year olds in front of me who couldnt keep their head still and/or shut the hell up during the movie.

Thats why you go late night, DUH :P
I went at 8:30 and the movie finished around ~10:30.
When i went to see reloaded, i went at 10
and the movie finished after 12. No kids
at these times, just us adults :)
Was worth the $9 i paid (costs more at night)

And to the people who complained about this thread
being a spoiler, you deserve it for being so dumb :P
I havent even opened this thread all week until now,
after i've seen the movie. Noone has spoiled it for me,
I enjoyed the movie, and its all good :P

I think the movie was rather good, and the action
scenes keep getting more intense with every sequel.

If you haven't seen it, you should still go, even
if its just for the action scenes or to say you've
seen it :P

[AlphaWolf]

just watched the movie, I thought it was great.



Alright here's a big one... you have to think in terms of computers and programming for this one (and for lots of this movie that involves the machines especially). Programs don't die, number one. Everytime smith copied himself he simply inserted his code into another program and controlled that program.... but the ORIGIONAL still exists. This is why the oracle came back.. she wasn't dead or destroyed, just her code was buried in that of Smiths. SOOOO neo let his program (the program of the one remember from Matrix reloaded) be taken over by Smith... then he, the deux ex Machina (the talking machine dude who represents the voice of the machines - which is the architect talking, did anyone notice?? ) and the oracle all combined their energy to destroy Smith from the inside out .. just like in Matrix orig. Is neo dead? Well personally I think he was sacraficed as a savior -- very Christlike. Like Christ, being reborn is certainly a possibilitiy (after all he came back to life in the first movie didn't he???) so whether he's dead or not dead is rather irrelevant becuase even if he IS the movie has shown that it is possible for him to come back to life... so that is certainly a possibility if he died. Also keep in mind that Neo is THE ONE and the one is only a program (of which there have been 6 different verisions). THerefore, if Neo the human dies, the program for the one certainly may still exist in the machine databases. Sequel anyone???

WHY was it impossible for Smith to win in the end?

Remember when the oracle told Neo that he couldn't see past the choices that he didn't understand? Smith kept asking Neo WHY this Why that... he didn't understand Neo or his choice or what he had to do.... Neo did. Becuase he understood, he was able to make his choices, proceed (with the alliances of the machines to destroy Smith who was only interested in The INevitable... who did not believe in choice, only purpose.


This guy obviously didn't pay any attention to when the oracle said that neo and smith are exact negatives of each other, and that eventually they will cancel each other out; in other words both of them will be gone, deceased, nada. Funny because I felt I didn't understand the whole thing, yet I cought that one just fine.


IMO, I thought the movie was very good, expecially during the "war time". The movie kept me anticiapted for how the humans could win the war and there were some other small surprises in the movie that I wouldn't have predicted as well

Right on! I thought the entire war between zion and the machines was awesome, and I think they did the CG effects very well. I especially liked the effects near the end where the machine city had those huge defensive cannons powering up, was a nice icing on the cake :D




And to the people who complained about this thread
being a spoiler, you deserve it for being so dumb :P
I havent even opened this thread all week until now,
after i've seen the movie. Noone has spoiled it for me,
I enjoyed the movie, and its all good :P

I think the movie was rather good, and the action
scenes keep getting more intense with every sequel.

If you haven't seen it, you should still go, even
if its just for the action scenes or to say you've
seen it :P

I couldn't agree more with everything you just said here. The thread plainly states: "for those who have seen it", so I didn't open it until just after I saw it. Gee, interesting concept eh? Too bad some impatients couldn't figure that one out :P

I'll be honest, the second matrix left me very confused and I didn't like it as well as the first one, but the third one ended it quite well. I think the reason the critics hated it is because they didn't understand it; the ending didn't leave enough for them. To them I say to pay more attention, and it might help you to pay more attention when the 15 year olds aren't crowding you out :P

[Macca]

just watched the movie, I thought it was great.
This guy obviously didn't pay any attention to when the oracle said that neo and smith are exact negatives of each other, and that eventually they will cancel each other out; in other words both of them will be gone, deceased, nada. Funny because I felt I didn't understand the whole thing, yet I cought that one just fine.


im just guessing that that whole thing was assumed, it wasnt very hard to figure that bit out as they clearly said it.

and critics, who cares what they say, its not gonna change my opinion of the film, and its not going to influence the amount of money which they make. its hip to bag the matrix.

[Xade]

Maybe somebody has already pointed out this, rather massive, flaw, but... I can't be bothered to read on.

Simply put, machines have no conscience. Thus, upon our hero's valiant victory over Agent Smith, saving them from the virus, I'm pretty sure that they would have no qualms with destroying the human race there and then. A done deed, the machines live on without any further 'resistance'. The end.

Peace between humans and machines? Riiiiight, and I suppose the machines haven't spent the past few hundred years trying to get rid of the humans in question, have they?

A lot of people have shouted at me for spoiling the film for them with that one, after they've seen it, but it's just too big a story problem to simply ignore.

Dear oh dear.

[Macca]

um...thats not a story problem at all, thats you not understanding the film.

whats stopping the same thing happening again if the machines whiped out zion, and if they destroyed the human race, then they are back to square one concerneing power.

the whole time, the machines just wanted to live with the humans peacefully (animatrix second renassonce anyone?) they finally got what they wanted.

[sytaylor]

Maybe somebody has already pointed out this, rather massive, flaw, but... I can't be bothered to read on.

Simply put, machines have no conscience. Thus, upon our hero's valiant victory over Agent Smith, saving them from the virus, I'm pretty sure that they would have no qualms with destroying the human race there and then. A done deed, the machines live on without any further 'resistance'. The end.

Peace between humans and machines? Riiiiight, and I suppose the machines haven't spent the past few hundred years trying to get rid of the humans in question, have they?

A lot of people have shouted at me for spoiling the film for them with that one, after they've seen it, but it's just too big a story problem to simply ignore.

Dear oh dear.

Dude go watch the animatrix.. theyre not just machines theyre AI, every bit as emotional as us if not more, it was us that cast them out, not the other way around. Their currency got bigger than ours, we didnt like and tried to starve them of sunlight. They needed an alternate energy source, and the most abundant they could fine (since all other animals had died), was us. In the hope of stopping war the machines enslaved us into a time our minds would be content with.

[Xade]

I'd best see this 'Animatrix' series before making any further comments, then, although the whole thing is still questionable.

Again, maybe I've missed something here too, but why not simply build fields of nuclear power plants and/or fusion power sources? The human part of the equation would simply disappear.

[Remote]

Yeah, but not much of a plot if that would happen. :P

[sytaylor]

If they built nuclear power plants they wouldnt control their human "problem" whereby we kept trying to rid the world of AI.. Like i said we started the war. Or "We struck first"

[Burnpro]

i didnt like it .. too much talk and few action..

i agree with someone on this thread
the matrix 10/10
reloaded 8/10
revolutions 6/10

[sytaylor]

See people say too much talk, and then complain there were no answers..

Fast and The Furious this aint

[Tagrineth]

i didnt like it .. too much talk and few action..

i agree with someone on this thread
the matrix 10/10
reloaded 8/10
revolutions 6/10

RO fucking L! You thought Revolutions was crap because of too much talk, and yet RELOADED HAD AT LEAST TEN TIMES MORE DIALOGUE. Go find a better reason please, or at least be consistent in your ratings.

[Clements]

I've recently watched this and I thought it was great. Not quite as good as the first two...

Matrix: 10/10 (One of the better films I've seen)
Reloaded: 9/10 (Great fight scenes toward the end)
Revolutions: 8/10 (Great computer effects)

I'm easily pleased- as long as there is lots of explosions and fight scenes because they make me laugh. I was almost in hysterics when those guys were fighting on the ceiling. And so forth.

[blizz]

RO fucking L!

Que?

[sytaylor]

rolling on fsking laghing.. must be a new designer drug ???

[AlphaWolf]

its probably some new trendy sex position that hasn't been added to karma sutra yet :D

[Tagrineth]

Que?

Typo. Should say 'R O fucking F L'. ^^;

[t0rek]

:matrix: ... Well adding some more of my critics... I understood the true meaning of the movie, I mean, I'm not a programmer but I know basic concepts about programming, the movie wasn't bad as I say before, I just was a little dissapointed by then, it will be stupid to say that it doesn't have excellent CG effects, but I still believe that Matrix 1 is better than the second one, and the second one better than the third one. IMO Revolutions was an exciting movie but it could have a better ending, the ending in fact was the thing that dissapoint me...

[katon]

matrix revolutions = matrix gone annoying
the first movie had a fantastic story behind it
the 2nd and 3rd movie made it too complicated for a movie series
the 2nd and 3rd ones were primarily made for $, so what would you expect
in the 1st one, life itself was questioned
2 & 3 questioned the questions... thus producing much complications
really there's just a computer explanation behind the whole matrix
like agent smith getting "contained" therefore returning to the "source" in order to get quarantined
quite weird

there is a limit to everything
i personally dont like sequels and i dont think a lot of ppl like sequels either (including threequels!)
the only sequel that was better than the first was toy story 2..... =D

[Tagrineth]

Why does everyone also think that Reloaded and Revolutions were purely made for $$$? The Wachowskis wrote their stories BEFORE THE FIRST MATRIX HIT THEATRES. The only reason we didn't know about them at the time was, they were told that if The Matrix flopped, they would not receive funding for the second and third parts of their planned trilogy. Once the Matrix turned out to be a massive success, they almost immediately revealed the plans to make it a trilogy.

EDIT: Oh, and if it was made purely for $$$, why would they give them such an uber high budget and complex plot? Movies designed to grab money normally use the lowest budget they can possibly get away with... y'know, so they can reap profits as fast as possible, and as much as possible.

[katon]

too many biblical allusions

[AlphaWolf]

You know, a common problem I find is that most people who didn't like the third one simply didn't pay attention to the storyline, often times complaining about the ending because they don't understand it.

[Talas]

Humm... I maybe alone with my opinion but I actually liked part 3 more than part 2. It was a nice epical film with some nice ideas. Not to be compared to the fabulous story of part 1 but it was still very, very interesting. Part2´s action scenes were just toooooo long in my opinion and it just hangs in the "middle" of the trilogy. Nope, I´d say Matrix, Matrix Revolutions, last comes Matrix reloaded.

[Tagrineth]

Humm... I maybe alone with my opinion but I actually liked part 3 more than part 2. It was a nice epical film with some nice ideas. Not to be compared to the fabulous story of part 1 but it was still very, very interesting. Part2´s action scenes were just toooooo long in my opinion and it just hangs in the "middle" of the trilogy. Nope, I´d say Matrix, Matrix Revolutions, last comes Matrix reloaded.

I'd say Revolutions, 1, then Reloaded... I disagree that the fight scenes were too long.

Especially the Burly Brawl, which had some very obvious Xiaoxiao influence (watch Neo with the pipe), and Xiaoxiao's fight videos are pretty long too. And c'mon, the highway scene just plain kicked ass, Morpheus + Katana = *swoon*

[pj64er]

Why does everyone also think that Reloaded and Revolutions were purely made for $$$? The Wachowskis wrote their stories BEFORE THE FIRST MATRIX HIT THEATRES.

Besides that, the first Matrix basically ended screaming SEQUEL!!!!!11!!!11one

[Moose Jr.]

You know, a common problem I find is that most people who didn't like the third one simply didn't pay attention to the storyline, often times complaining about the ending because they don't understand it.

Bulls-eye, that's me. But it was hard for me to stay focused though with a quarter-million Sentinels in my face :)

No, seriously. I was confused, and didn't enjoy it much as a result, exactly as you put it. The main reason I think was because I hadn't seen Reloaded since it first came out. Watching Reloaded right before would really make Revolutions most enjoyable for people. It is, after all, a 5-hour movie rent asunder. My mistake was in renting Reloaded right before but not giving myself enough time to watch it and understand it (I still don't :) ) before I went to Revolutions.

However, It was still refreshing to go back and watch Reloaded right after and see all the connections between the two. For instance: in Reloaded, when they go to see the Merovingian(sp?) the shot slows down for just an instant and you see to the left of the screen the Indian guy (from the train station in Revolutions) being led away. I missed that the first time through.

[Moose Jr.]

I'd say Revolutions, 1, then Reloaded... I disagree that the fight scenes were too long.

Especially the Burly Brawl, which had some very obvious Xiaoxiao influence (watch Neo with the pipe), and Xiaoxiao's fight videos are pretty long too. And c'mon, the highway scene just plain kicked ass, Morpheus + Katana = *swoon*

Dead on! The fight scenes in Reloaded were the best I had ever seen, period. In that case, why would you ever want them to end? :naughty:

Edit: Plus, the music that ties them all together is just awesome.

[sytaylor]

You know, a common problem I find is that most people who didn't like the third one simply didn't pay attention to the storyline, often times complaining about the ending because they don't understand it.

and with that, i think this thread has reached its conclusion
:matrix:

[AlphaWolf]

I myself am not sure which I liked better: revolutions or the first one. I didn't like reloaded as much though, there were just a few things wrong with it, but revolutions fixed the whole thing.

[katon]

You know, a common problem I find is that most people who didn't like the third one simply didn't pay attention to the storyline, often times complaining about the ending because they don't understand it.

there are more elements to a movie than just storyline i hope you know

and matrix sequels missed a lot of those essential elements that make a good movie
such as innovation
that is primarily what made matrix 1 really good
b/c is was something new ppl haven't seen b4


and with that, i think this thread has reached its conclusion
:matrix:

[AlphaWolf]

there are more elements to a movie than just storyline i hope you know

and matrix sequels missed a lot of those essential elements that make a good movie
such as innovation
that is primarily what made matrix 1 really good
b/c is was something new ppl haven't seen b4

What was innovative about the first lord of the rings movie then? People just loved the storyline. There was also nothing innovative about titanic either, some drama freaks just loved seeing leonardo decrapio for some dimented (masochistic?) reason.

[katon]

i personally didnt like the LoTR movies or titanic
but in terms of innovation for movies
lotr had very beautiful and realistic scenery that fit well for the fantasy atmosphere
for titanic, they actually went down and looked at the ship and modeled the movie's ship after it near perfection

[AlphaWolf]

i personally didnt like the LoTR movies or titanic
but in terms of innovation for movies
lotr had very beautiful and realistic scenery that fit well for the fantasy atmosphere
for titanic, they actually went down and looked at the ship and modeled the movie's ship after it near perfection

Whats so innovative about that?

[katon]

innovative

adj 1: ahead of the times; "the advanced teaching methods"; "had advanced views on the subject"; "a forward-looking corporation"; "is British industry innovative enough?" [syn: advanced, forward-looking, modern] 2: being or producing something like nothing done or experienced or created before; "stylistically innovative works"; "innovative members of the artistic community"; "a mind so innovational, so original" [syn: innovational]

[AlphaWolf]

innovative

adj 1: ahead of the times; "the advanced teaching methods"; "had advanced views on the subject"; "a forward-looking corporation"; "is British industry innovative enough?" [syn: advanced, forward-looking, modern] 2: being or producing something like nothing done or experienced or created before; "stylistically innovative works"; "innovative members of the artistic community"; "a mind so innovational, so original" [syn: innovational]

Congratulations, you've just found out what a dictionary is! Maybe you can pass the second grade this time, there just might be hope for you yet :w00t:

[Tagrineth]

i personally didnt like the LoTR movies or titanic
but in terms of innovation for movies
lotr had very beautiful and realistic scenery that fit well for the fantasy atmosphere
for titanic, they actually went down and looked at the ship and modeled the movie's ship after it near perfection

LotR was only breakthrough in how well it converted the classic novel to the big screen. The artwork, the cinematography... all derivative.

Titanic was also pretty derivative, that kind of thing had been done before too.