GC >> *yawn* [Archive]

Remote

April 18th, 2003, 05:53

Sadly, I entered this stage a long time ago... At the time being it's not even connected to my tv, although that has to do with me re doing my room... Got my GC around christmas and I haven't played more then 100h on it... At the time being I have,

Crazy Taxi, which is a more or less direct DC port... It that
Fifa 2003, which is fun but nothing more
Need 4 Speed: Hot Pursuit 2, great game
Star Wars: Rogue Leader, great looking game and a bit hard at times
SSX Tricky, addictive and goodlooking game
Super Mario Sunshine, dissapointment to say the least

I'm planning on picking up,

007 Agent under fire, possibly as early as next week
Wave Race, when it gets cheaper
Metriod Prime, when it's released
Zelda + Bonus Disc, is already pre ordered will be deliverd when it's released
Resident Evil, possibly as early as next week
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3, possibly as early as next week

and perhaps,

Pikmin, and Super Smash Brothers Melee...

And Jaz, you should know that Nintendo isn't all about having fun... :plain: And that I feel for you, and with you...

Stezo2k

April 18th, 2003, 06:03

i used to have a gc i got it when it was released, but i really got tired of it, the only good game was resident evil, i wasnt too keen on the other games at all, glad i swapped it for a ps2, i only got £70 for it though with 2 memory cards 2pads and a memory card

Tagrineth

April 18th, 2003, 06:35

Jaz, I know you said not to get into that debate, but what's wrong with Zelda TWW?

And... I admit, I haven't been playing my 'cube as much as I'd like to right now, but I could play a bunch if I wasn't sidetracked by my PSX and Saturn, along with many classics I have to finish ^_^

I recommend Phantasy Star Online Episodes 1&2 if you can get a network adapter and afford the online cost...

Hunters: The Reckoning is great fun, especially in multi, and it's rather hard ^_^

TimeSplitters 2 is great if you like pure FPS action, and it's especially great if you have RL friends you can play with ^_^

blizz

April 18th, 2003, 07:03

Originally posted by Jaz
Having just purchased my GC, I am pretty dissapointed to say the least at the fact it's entered a *yawn* period already. Where are all the good games coming out? Aside from the *sarcasm* super wonderful *sarcasm* Zelda (and lets not get into that debate, OK), what the hell is there for me to look forward to? The only real game I want now is Winning Eleven 6, and it's doubtful if it'll ever get a release over here.

I'm not happy. :P

Any views on this?

yes, why the fuck did you buy one when you know you like playing the games that are on the PS2?

to counter you, I just bought an X-Box and the only game I'm rating on it is PDO, what get's me is about the X-Box is that people think Halo is an amazing game, it's over hyped crap, I'm glad I bought it second hand for a tenner, admitadly I'm not a FPS fan but there's no denying I loved Quake, the controls for the buggy are awful, I've gotten over the first play "wow this is pretty cool" effect, and I'm now into "this is the same bollocks as before" land, I've renamed him the Master Chef so I found some humour in it.

anywho, to me there are a few types of gamers,

Mr Average Gamer (Jaz): prefer pick up and play games, nothing wrong with that, but they need to feel cool so that they can be secure in front of their missus whilst playing a game *gasp* yes games are made for kids (or big kids) who would have thought! although they can get Monsters Inc. in by saying it's cool when their missus thinks it's cute and as a token gesture towards her playing on the console when in reality he'll be playing it more often, and she'd prefer FFX :P Ideal PS2 territory (who games and doesn't have one though?)

The ex-SEGA crowd, feel superior to all gamers, want to epitomise hardcore gamers, still harbour feeling of loyalty to SEGA and will buy the shit it shovels no matter what (I've seen them praise Gungrave for fucks sake!) will buy an X-Box since pride dictates they won't buy a Gamecube before any other console (even if it has Sonic and PSO)

The Nintendo crowd: yeah that's a hard one now isn't it? anywho, feel superior to all gamers (what the fuck did you expect?), annoyed with Nintendo for releasing Mario Sunshine (Fludd detracts from the whole platforming experiance of Mario, and the levels without it only heighten this frustration), have also been highly baited with games like Eternal Darkness (Ideal Nintendo fan gaming, although ReMake killed it, aside: not even Nintendo can make Resi a decent game though) and Metroid Prime, the promise of Zelda keeps them going along with F-Zero, StarFox Armada, Soul Calibur 2 (it's got Link in it dammit!), PN3 and the rest of the Capcom 5 (which all play to the hardcore crowd so I don't quite get why capcom is bitching about the sales of PN3, they will or they won't buy a game, they're not impulse buyers)

Cynic's (I'd say I fit in here now, I used to be a Sega/Ninty fan): if they think it plays like shit they'll say it (DMC Gungrave, Sonic Adventure, Halo, MGS), they cross all categories really, should have the balls to say when an EA game is good (I like Shox and 2002 FIFA World Cup Korea/Japan in case you were wondering), expect games to look decent, they know what games they like, but like to be surprised (I like MP, and I hate it in 2D, go me!)

*sarcasm* and yes this was completely unbiased *sarcasm*

Originally posted by Tagrineth
Jaz, I know you said not to get into that debate, but what's wrong with Zelda TWW?

his masculinity ;) :devil:

AlphaWolf

April 18th, 2003, 07:55

/me is enjoying his xbox

Xbox Media Player alone made it worth the purchase, and its TV output hardware is far superior to any set top box of any kind that I have seen, especialy since I have an HDTV.

The fact that it plays halo, mgs2, and splinter cell (strait off of the hard disk I might add, no need to carry discs around with it) were just little bonuses that I actualy wasn't planning on taking advantage of when I bought it :P

The emulators work quite decently on it as well :happy:

Stezo2k

April 18th, 2003, 08:03

serious about no need for cds? Doesnt that mean its easier to copy xbox games onto your m8s xbox? BTW how big is the xbox hard drive?

Remote

April 18th, 2003, 08:07

Heh, no need to kick those who are already down... :P I don't think I could motivate the purshace of an XBOX atm, but I'm getting one when it becomes reasonble priced... Which should be in a year or so, it's could be a nice addition to my black GC... :D

vampireuk

April 18th, 2003, 08:45

Less than a year Remote :) The prices are falling so fast to try and make them competative :cool:

Tagrineth

April 18th, 2003, 09:09

Originally posted by Stezo2k
serious about no need for cds? Doesnt that mean its easier to copy xbox games onto your m8s xbox? BTW how big is the xbox hard drive?

Mod chip + Linux installation = play stuff off hard drive.

Remote

April 18th, 2003, 09:23

Originally posted by vampireuk
Less than a year Remote :) The prices are falling so fast to try and make them competative :cool:

I could buy one right now, or atleast tomorrow when the stores open:P But I figure, if Microsoft is gonna take my money, they should take as little as possible... And my GC hasn't given me a good bang for it's bucks yet, atm I'm seriously considering getting Metriod Prime tomorrow... Not totally convinced yet but I'm sure that in 6-8h I'll be... :D

AlphaWolf

April 18th, 2003, 13:08

Originally posted by Stezo2k
serious about no need for cds? Doesnt that mean its easier to copy xbox games onto your m8s xbox? BTW how big is the xbox hard drive?

The xbox comes with a little 8 gigger, I replaced it with a 60 gigger that I took out of my gentoo server. (which was in turn replaced by a 120 gigger)

Assuming the average xbox game is 5 gigs (I don't know if thats the actual number, I am just throwing out a rather liberal guess. They vary, mgs2 is 6 gigs, simpsons road rage is 300 megs.), this hard drive could hold 12+ games. On techtv, they showed an xbox that had 50 games on a 120 gigger. 50 discs is a lot to carry around otherwise :P

And btw, you do not have to install linux on your xbox to play games off of the HDD, you just need a modchip and the necessary software which is readily available. (can't play games on the HDD without a modchip)

I actualy installed gentoo on it an hour ago just for kicks though :linux:

It goes without saying, but microsoft actualy lost $100 just for me to do all of this. As for the games themselves, I rarely play em. (to me they are just an added bonus, although they are fun, I rarely play games these days)

Remote

April 18th, 2003, 13:56

Originally posted by AlphaWolf
As for the games themselves, I rarely play em. (to me they are just an added bonus, although they are fun, I rarely play games these days)

So true, so true... :)

Plisco

April 18th, 2003, 17:38

I just bought an X-Box and the only game I'm rating on it is PDO, what get's me is about the X-Box is that people think Halo is an amazing game, it's over hyped crap,I'm glad I bought it second hand for a tenner, admitadly I'm not a FPS fan but there's no denying I loved Quake, the controls for the buggy are awful, I've gotten over the first play "wow this is pretty cool" effect, and I'm now into "this is the same bollocks as before" land, I've renamed him the Master Chef so I found some humour in it.
I too think Halo is overhyped and crap:)
There are still plenty to look forward to on the GC
Final Fantasy
F-Zero
Splinter Cell (the 'X-Box Exclusive :getlost: )
Mario Kart
Mario 128 (supposedly out this year :getlost: )
And Jazz you seem the kind of guy who likes Pokemon.lol. I am sure there will be a few out this year on the gc as well.

Stezo2k

April 18th, 2003, 22:33

Originally posted by AlphaWolf
The xbox comes with a little 8 gigger, I replaced it with a 60 gigger that I took out of my gentoo server. (which was in turn replaced by a 120 gigger)

Assuming the average xbox game is 5 gigs (I don't know if thats the actual number, I am just throwing out a rather liberal guess. They vary, mgs2 is 6 gigs, simpsons road rage is 300 megs.), this hard drive could hold 12+ games. On techtv, they showed an xbox that had 50 games on a 120 gigger. 50 discs is a lot to carry around otherwise :P

And btw, you do not have to install linux on your xbox to play games off of the HDD, you just need a modchip and the necessary software which is readily available. (can't play games on the HDD without a modchip)

I actualy installed gentoo on it an hour ago just for kicks though :linux:

It goes without saying, but microsoft actualy lost $100 just for me to do all of this. As for the games themselves, I rarely play em. (to me they are just an added bonus, although they are fun, I rarely play games these days)

thats smart man, might get one of them in time, saves me from buying a divx compatible dvd player for £200, plus its a game console too :) btw i heard a roumour u can install XP on xbox, is this true?

Davemc

April 18th, 2003, 22:50

I bought a Gamecube a couple of weeks back. I only have Timesplitters 2. I haven't played it that much, but I will when I can be bothered to get more than 1 controller. ;)

And yes, Halo is shit, but multiplayer isn't too bad. I played 8 player the other day it and it was pretty cool. 1 player is shite though. Seen it all before.

AlphaWolf

April 19th, 2003, 00:25

Originally posted by Stezo2k
thats smart man, might get one of them in time, saves me from buying a divx compatible dvd player for £200, plus its a game console too :) btw i heard a roumour u can install XP on xbox, is this true?

Yeah, I haven't tried to put XP on it, but I wouldn't doubt that its possible, since you can run vmware and bochs in linux on xbox.

Heres more info about what XBMP does:
http://www.xboxmediaplayer.de/newweb/info_project.htm

Stezo2k

April 19th, 2003, 02:12

cheers, i'll bookmark that m8 for future reference :)

Jaz

April 19th, 2003, 03:10

Originally posted by Plisco
And Jaz you seem the kind of guy who likes Pokemon.

Oh how well you don't know me. :getlost:

Plisco

April 19th, 2003, 03:16

.lol.
it was a jk :P. Maybe if your bored already why dont u get rid of it?
Edit:
What other consoles do you have?

Jaz

April 19th, 2003, 03:19

My game list at the moment..

Metroid Prime - a good game, but not really as wonderful as everyone makes it out to be.
Resident Evil Zero - fantastic. Possibly the most enjoyable single-player game I've played for quite some time.
Super Monkey Ball 2 - sheer brilliance from SEGA (and my real reason for buying a GC in the first place).

I'll be picking up copies of Eternal Darkness, Luigi's Mansion, SSBM, and Wave Race pretty shortly. But can you spot the similarities between these games? Yes! They are all old.

Sure, I can't wait for Mario Kart GC. But lets be honest, it's not like it'll be out anytime soon, is it? :getlost:

And yes, to many people, Zelda Cube is most probably the best game in the world bar none. But not to me. And the reason for this, as many of you already know, is that I despise the Zelda series. :doh: (And to avoid nasty comments from the fanboys - I'm not dissing Zelda, just saying that personally, I (and by `I`, that means my opinion), I think Zelda games blow).

So. All I have to look forward to in the near future is ordering my FreeLoader and copy of Winning Eleven 6. And then there's Mario Kart. But I'll probably be dead by the time that comes out. :satisfied

Tagrineth

April 19th, 2003, 03:34

IIRC Mario Kart GCN will be playable at E3 and out by the end of this year in the States.

Plisco

April 19th, 2003, 03:45

Which means it will be out next year on PAL:plain: . But if you are getting a freeloader it wont be so bad:)

DiaBlo6662

April 19th, 2003, 04:40

Originally posted by Tagrineth
IIRC Mario Kart GCN will be playable at E3 and out by the end of this year in the States.

i just bough my GC for tree main games,, 1 of those that i own.. (metroid prime) .

I just can`t wait to play mario kart cube i love mkart series and soul calibur ii look really cool..

i`m a bit confused on buying a new xbox cuz i have this GC in his own box cuz im bored of MP.. xbox seem really cool.. the fact that i can download my own xbox games make me think on buying one.. :D

Davemc

April 19th, 2003, 06:06

I can't wait for Mario Kart either. I hope it has online play.

Jaz

April 19th, 2003, 08:18

Originally posted by dayve
I hope it has online play.

My guess is that you've got two hopes there. And one of those is Bob Hope, who is dead.

A cookie awarded to anyone who can guess the other one. :doh:

Davemc

April 19th, 2003, 10:31

Originally posted by Jaz
A cookie awarded to anyone who can guess the other one. :doh:

Heh, no cookie for me. :doh:
Well, maybe online play would be a bad thing in a way because then my mates wouldn't have to go anywhere and we'd never see each other again. I still play 4 player Mario Kart 64 even now.
Oh well sad to hear about poor Bob.

DuDe

April 21st, 2003, 00:30

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[18:15:01] < blizzzzzz> http://www.emutalk.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13350
[18:15:14] < blizzzzzz> http://www.emutalk.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13251
[18:15:52] < blizzzzzz> *can't be arsed
[18:15:57] < Gent> :P
[18:16:09] < Gent> iisnt the Game forum Modded by Jazz also ?
[18:17:03] < blizzzzzz> no
[18:17:27] < Gent> Gaming
[18:17:27] < Gent> (Moderated by: blizz, DuDe, Gorxon, Martin)
[18:17:50] < Gent> Talk of the Town
[18:17:50] < Gent> (Moderated by: bodie, DuDe, Gorxon, Jaz, Remote, vampireuk)
[18:17:52] < Gent> lol
[18:18:22] < Gent> well i remeber not so long agao p[osts like he made there he got pissed off about people doing it & he had to move to the gaming :D
[18:18:35] < blizzzzzz> lol
[18:19:42] < DuDe|away> lol
[18:19:49] < DuDe|away> want me to secretly move those posts?
[18:19:57] < Gent> nah
[18:20:01] < Gent> leave em to him
[18:20:08] < Gent> fek that moaning ;)
[18:20:20] < DuDe|away> he won't move them :D
[18:20:45] < Gent> hmm reshuffle that Modship /me cries :D
[18:21:06] < DuDe|away> how many mods are there on ET?
[18:21:23] < Gent> feked if i know
[18:21:29] < blizzzzzz> Dude: yeah move them, I would if I could ;)
[18:21:33] < DuDe|away> k
[18:21:36] < Gent> a hell of a more more then assigned boards
[18:21:39] < DuDe|away> mov3z0rin
[18:22:00] * Gent Looks At DuDe|away
[18:22:09] < DuDe|away> i think i'll move them without leaving a redirect
[18:22:12] < Gent> get ready for a moaning wlsh tart
[18:22:21] < DuDe|away> hehe
[18:23:06] < DuDe|away> hm, if i'll move em without leaving a redirect he'll think that they were deleted
[18:23:13] < Gent> yup
[18:23:16] * DuDe|away is now known as |DuDe|
[18:23:24] < |DuDe|> oh well
[18:24:06] < Gent> you could always post under each one "Oi Ya Welsh Tart post in the right Place"
[18:24:14] < |DuDe|> lol
[18:24:22] < |DuDe|> i'll put it as a hidden one :D
[18:24:26] < Gent> under bliz's nick ;)
[18:24:33] < |DuDe|> i can't :D
[18:24:37] < Gent> lol
[18:24:43] < Gent> then hidden it is :P
[18:25:26] < |DuDe|> in fact, i'll post the whole conversation :D
[18:25:46] < Gent> lmao
[18:25:52] < Gent> dont you dare J00 :P
[18:26:05] < |DuDe|> hehe
[18:26:24] < blizzzzzz> lol, I'm going to bitch on him anywa
[18:26:25] < blizzzzzz> y
[18:26:29] * blizzzzzz gented
[18:26:40] < Gent> well gented J00 :D

Macca

April 21st, 2003, 10:44

You can prolly pick up smb1 cheap if you like 2. i mean of course they are pretty much the same but it you get a good deal it may be worth it.

oh and why isnt F-zero or Strarfox on your list?

jvolel

April 21st, 2003, 11:30

Originally posted by Doomulation
* Doomulation slaps Jax :doh:
Zelda WW
Metroid Prime
SSB Melee

there's more as well!

erm there all ok........ I myself am bored with the GC (mind you ive had every nintendo system before, and Ive notice nintendo started dying during the time of the n64) So like sega nintendo is soon to be a gonner. :getlost: *sniff* *sniff* :cry: well not really a gonner but they should do what sega has done.... screw making another system just become a software developer and do what you do best.

ahh the hell with it am selling my gc and getting an xbox :doh:

then ill have a box and a ps2! ahahah!!! (love the wave bird though, might keep that and get a skillz cube converter thingy) speaking of which does that work with a wave bird???????

Jaz

April 22nd, 2003, 02:23

Originally posted by jvolel
getting an xbox

Probably not such a great idea, unless you're as obsessed with PDO as blizz and I. :satisfied

Remote

April 22nd, 2003, 02:53

Can't see Nintendo going the same way Sega did just quite yet, the sales of the hand held masterpiece are too strong... Also, with a new man in charge, instead of Mr. Tamagothci:P, new wind is blowing in the big N sails... :D

Imoto

April 22nd, 2003, 03:04

Yamauchi as done many good things, and many bad things.

And don't forget: Animal Crossing. <- Lofe that game!

Jaz

April 22nd, 2003, 06:38

Originally posted by Remote
Can't see Nintendo going the same way Sega did just quite yet

God, can you imagine if they did? Then we'd only have M$ and Sony left.. Oh dear. :geek:

Stezo2k

April 22nd, 2003, 07:35

i can see it happening, dixons have already gave up selling it, now argos is thinking of quiting selling it

from lanjam.tv:

Following on from electronics retailer Dixon’s announcement that they might stop selling Gamecubes, Argos have now said they are considering the same move

the console may go the same way as the Dreamcast if sales don’t improve.

mind u i havent liked nintendo much after perfect dark came out, GC is a kids console, with the exception of a few games, not all gamers are kids, xbox is mainly for adults, so it should get slightly better sales than GC, but ps2 has games aimed for all ages, thats why its so popular, thats why i got rid of my gc

p.s dont flame me :blush:

Stez

jvolel

April 22nd, 2003, 08:14

When I think about it screw it ill sell the gc and upgrade my computer lol ya really can't go wrong with that, other then the fact that very few pc games offer "good" gamepad support, let alone gamepad support at all. Not to mention some of the games that are on xbox will make it to pc anyway. (well the ones I was interested in playing) ...

Davemc

April 22nd, 2003, 10:08

All this "kids console" shit pisses me off. Gamecube has many "adult" games too. Pretty much every game comes out for Xbox, PS2 and Gamecube, but Gamecube has the best exclusives. And look at all of the PS2s recent releases. All "kiddie" shit.
I am pretty dissapointed with the quantity of decent games for Gamecube though. I only have 1 Gamecube game (Timesplitters 2). (The controls are perfect, much better than the PS2 shit)

Stezo2k

April 22nd, 2003, 16:39

Originally posted by dayve
All this "kids console" shit pisses me off. Gamecube has many "adult" games too. Pretty much every game comes out for Xbox, PS2 and Gamecube, but Gamecube has the best exclusives. And look at all of the PS2s recent releases. All "kiddie" shit.

Ok then, name 15 Gamecube adult games then, and PS2..... Dynasty Warriors 4 isnt a kids game....
Midnight Club 2 Isnt a kids game
Splinter Cell isnt a kids game....
Tenchu 3 Is not a kids game.....

what is your point?

Stezo2k

April 22nd, 2003, 17:20

ok gc kids games:

Animal Crossing
Batman: Dark Tomorrow
Batman: Vengeance
Beach Spikers
Big air freestyle
Black & Bruised
Bomberman: Generation
Bust a move 3000
Crash Bandicoot: Wrath of cortex - Aimed mainly for kids, but i'm a agreeing this is a good game
Disney Sports Basketball
Disney Sports Football
Disney Sports Skateboarding
Disney Sports Soccer
Disney's Magic Mirror
Disney's PK: Out of the shadows
Disney's Tarzan
Donald Duck
Dr. Muto
Dragon's Lair 3D
Egg Mania
Extreme G 3 - Ok for all ages, but still loooks like it was aimed for kids
Frogger Beyond
Godzilla
Harry Potter
Home Run King
Legend of Zelda - Kids game written all over it, used to love zelda 3 for Snes too :doh:
Luigis Mansion: Definatly a kids game
Mario Party 3: Same as above
Men In Black II: Definatly a kids game, i thought it would be a bit more adult until i played it
Pacman Fever
Pacman World 2
Rayman 3
Rayman Arena

Must I go on?

Tagrineth

April 22nd, 2003, 17:34

Originally posted by Stezo2k
ok gc kids games:

OK...

Animal Crossing

All ages.

Batman: Dark Tomorrow
Batman: Vengeance

Not familiar with the games, but don't you think there are a lot of adults who grew up with Batman who might play these?

Beach Spikers

All ages, leaning toward teens (bikini factor)

Big air freestyle

Not familiar.

Black & Bruised

That's the cel-shaded boxing game, right? I wouldn't call that "kiddy" just because it's cel-shaded.

Bomberman: Generation

No argument.

Bust a move 3000

All ages. I'd like to see younger kids make effective bank shots though...

Crash Bandicoot: Wrath of cortex - Aimed mainly for kids, but i'm a agreeing this is a good game
Disney Sports Basketball
Disney Sports Football
Disney Sports Skateboarding
Disney Sports Soccer
Disney's Magic Mirror
Disney's PK: Out of the shadows
Disney's Tarzan
Donald Duck
Dr. Muto

No argument.

Dragon's Lair 3D

It's also aimed at the adults who played the original forever and ever ago.

Egg Mania

No argument.

Extreme G 3 - Ok for all ages, but still loooks like it was aimed for kids

Um... what? I don't follow. I'd call it all ages.

Frogger Beyond
Godzilla
Harry Potter

No argument.

Home Run King

Not familiar...

Legend of Zelda - Kids game written all over it, used to love zelda 3 for Snes too :doh:

How does it have kids game written all over it? Zelda's always been an 'all ages' game. Oh, wait, I forgot, so far you consider 'Cel-shaded = kiddy'. Which is pure bullshit.

Luigis Mansion: Definatly a kids game

No argument.

Mario Party 3: Same as above

All ages.

Men In Black II: Definatly a kids game, i thought it would be a bit more adult until i played it

I'll take your word on that one. No argument.

Pacman Fever
Pacman World 2

No arugument.

Rayman 3
Rayman Arena

All ages.

Must I go on?

Seems to me you consider anything that might be cel-shaded as kiddy; also sounds like you consider anything that MIGHT be oriented towards 'anyone who might want to play it' (all ages) as being automatically 'kiddy'.

Chibi Nick

April 22nd, 2003, 18:23

cell shading does give the look of a kiddie game though...

And as such, most adults will probably just think of it that way...

it's like how most adults don't watch cartoons, but they watch other shows... cartoons look like they were meant for younger viewers, so adults don't pay attention to it...

I'm not against cell shading (except in the Zelda case, but that's only because Link and the other characters look really really ugly) but I can understand why people would think it's for kids... because it usually is ;)

Stezo2k

April 22nd, 2003, 18:34

Originally posted by Chibi Nick
cell shading does give the look of a kiddie game though...

And as such, most adults will probably just think of it that way...

it's like how most adults don't watch cartoons, but they watch other shows... cartoons look like they were meant for younger viewers, so adults don't pay attention to it...

I'm not against cell shading (except in the Zelda case, but that's only because Link and the other characters look really really ugly) but I can understand why people would think it's for kids... because it usually is ;)

thats what i meant about zelda, it looks wayyyy too kiddie, i mean look at zelda 64... how mature does that look? Look at this, anyone would think this game is a bloody cartoon

Stezo2k

April 22nd, 2003, 18:40

ok, dont get me wrong, gamecube is a good console with gr8 possibilities, but theres way too many games aimed at kids and all ages, ppl look for stuff like Metal gear solid, Final Fantsy, Tekken in a game, and when theyve got pokemon or some other cartoony character in them, it puts them off (especially Adults & Teens) Most gamers are teenagers or slightly older, thats why gamecube is doing so badly, i mean if ps2 was as low price as gamecube, it would sell greatly, why? Because most of there games are serious. I used to own a gamecube, but i got rid of it due to the number of gamecube games i liked, plus the games were like £40, i'm a student for gods sake, i dont earn that sort of money

jvolel

April 23rd, 2003, 02:12

Originally posted by Stezo2k
thats what i meant about zelda, it looks wayyyy too kiddie, i mean look at zelda 64... how mature does that look? Look at this, anyone would think this game is a bloody cartoon

Then nintendo has done a great job, seeing as thats what they intended on doing.

Originally posted by Stezo2k
ok, dont get me wrong, gamecube is a good console with gr8 possibilities, but theres way too many games aimed at kids and all ages, ppl look for stuff like Metal gear solid, Final Fantsy, Tekken in a game, and when theyve got pokemon or some other cartoony character in them, it puts them off (especially Adults & Teens) Most gamers are teenagers or slightly older, thats why gamecube is doing so badly, i mean if ps2 was as low price as gamecube, it would sell greatly, why? Because most of there games are serious. I used to own a gamecube, but i got rid of it due to the number of gamecube games i liked, plus the games were like £40, i'm a student for gods sake, i dont earn that sort of money

come on now how can a game be "serious", games are ment to be fun, if two many games started getting "serious" I'd worry.

Gorxon

April 23rd, 2003, 06:32

Soon everyone will be tired of this realism crap (oh, geez, another FPS which has blazing gfx and 35 dozens of gore spots!! musthave...now!!) and they will start making good games, which certianly isn't necessarily realistic looking. And then everyone will buy sony's cel chaded cartoony games...and noone will call them kiddy...

You get my point... :getlost:

Macca

April 23rd, 2003, 10:02

Originally posted by Stezo2k
ppl look for stuff like Metal gear solid, Final Fantsy, Tekken in a game

How many of the above 3 games are coming to GC? i count 2 :P

pj64er

April 23rd, 2003, 10:03

Originally posted by Stezo2k
ok, dont get me wrong, gamecube is a good console with gr8 possibilities, but theres way too many games aimed at kids and all ages, ppl look for stuff like Metal gear solid, Final Fantsy, Tekken in a game, and when theyve got pokemon or some other cartoony character in them, it puts them off (especially Adults & Teens) Most gamers are teenagers or slightly older, thats why gamecube is doing so badly, i mean if ps2 was as low price as gamecube, it would sell greatly, why? Because most of there games are serious. I used to own a gamecube, but i got rid of it due to the number of gamecube games i liked, plus the games were like £40, i'm a student for gods sake, i dont earn that sort of money

if you people want a 'serious' game, look into the Serious Sam series for PC and Xbox. Not only is it cheap, its got swanky graphics, buckets of gore, and its serious as heck! :D

Clements

April 23rd, 2003, 11:13

People who can't look past graphics don't deserve to be gamers. This wasn't an issue 8 years ago in the 16-Bit era when nearly all games had 'kiddy' graphics.

I might add that I hate 'serious' games in general, and prefer 'kiddy' games based on actual gameplay (whether the game is fun to play) These serious games are dead boring for me, and seeing colourful worlds with cartoony graphics is the way I like it. Super Smash Bros. Melee has cartoony graphics, but there's nothing 'kiddy' about event match 50. The only 'serious' games I've ever enjoyed were G007 and PD, not because they were 'serious' but because Rare make kick ass games. (they're with the XBox now)

Super Mario World had cartoon graphics as did SM64, and if you say that they are rubbish, then that is just plain ignorant. I could just list the ground-breaking titles Nintendo has produced over the years.

I blame it all on casual gamers who buy a game based on the back of the case.

All this Cel-Shaded Zelda bashing makes me sick. If the game had a serious look, it would not play better AT ALL. When has there been a crap Zelda on a Nintendo console? I rest my case.

Adults don't buy kiddy games? I think you'll find its the kids buying the adult games with drugs/prostitution/gore in to look cool, and the adults (like me) buy 'kiddy' Nintendo games because they play better and they were brought up with them.

And I'll never ever get a PS2. I've played Nintendo and Sega games since I was four, and no games for PS2 appeal to me in any way. Nothing.

The GC has a much more promising future Game-wise than the other consoles at the moment IMO. It's a bit disappointing having to wait ages for them, but Nintendo always delivers quality.

Macca

April 23rd, 2003, 11:36

let the monthly console bashing begin!

just remember ET has seen many topics about which console is better and naturally a conclusion is impossible as it is all opinion based, this is just a friendly reminder to ease the bashing

jvolel

April 23rd, 2003, 14:38

ps2 is good (zoe 2 anyone? dark cloud 2 anyone? dyanasty warriors 4 anyone? tenchu: wrath of haven anyone? ....... and a few more)

Raging Fuel

April 23rd, 2003, 18:59

Stezo2k: You keep talking about how people don't want 'kiddie' graphics. They want 'serious' games. Don't give us this shit. Who gives a crap what people want? I only care about what I'm interested in. You don't have to like the GC, but don't back up your argument by telling us what other people think.

Jaz (or whoever started the thread, i cant remember :P): get animal crossing. Possibly one of the greatest, most addictive games ever.

DuDe

April 23rd, 2003, 21:11

Screw the whole "kiddie" or non "kiddie" discussion, lets go by the game's actual quality, which is what actually matters.

Animal Crossing => never played that one, but always thought that the original was shit, and since the concept is still the same, my opinion doesn't change.
Batman: Dark Tomorrow => ok, EVERYONE knows that this game is nothing but a steaming pile of crap, and that goes for every console version of it.
Batman: Vengeance => not as crappy as the above, but boring as hell.
Beach Spikers => dunno, never played it.l
Big air freestyle => ditto.
Black & Bruised => ditto.
Bomberman: Generation => although Bomberman owns, I've never played that one, so ditto.
Bust a move 3000 => now that's a nice one.
Crash Bandicoot: Wrath of cortex => above average, although the GC has its share of far better plaftofrmers.

Disney Sports Basketball
Disney Sports Football
Disney Sports Skateboarding
Disney Sports Soccer
Disney's Magic Mirror
Disney's PK: Out of the shadows
Disney's Tarzan
Donald Duck

All of the Disney sports game are there together, because they all suck. You know I'm right. Now, there are also some Disney platformers over there, and imho Disney hasn't created a decent platformer since the good old dates of the NES Duck Tale, so my verdict is that they suck too.

Dr. Muto => cool game, although could've been better.
Dragon's Lair 3D => Look at my "game" field.
Egg Mania => SHIT.

Godzilla => if that's Destroy all monster's melee, then it rocks. Never heard of a different Godzilla game on the GC.
Harry Potter => not bad, although way too linear.
Legend of Zelda - Zelda is a niche game. I never liked that series to begin with, so the gfx mean nothing to me.
Luigis Mansion: a fishing game with ghosts, sucks.
Mario Party 3: read Zelda.

Pacman Fever
Pacman World 2
Have no idea about those two, but if they are any like the PC game "Pacman adventures in time", then they are great.

Rayman 3 => one of the sweetest platformers ever.

Rayman Arena => that on the other hand, is one of the shittiest.

DuDe

April 23rd, 2003, 21:17

Originally posted by Clements

When has there been a crap Zelda on a Nintendo console?

Mask of Majora.

Raging Fuel

April 23rd, 2003, 21:54

Originally posted by DuDe

Bomberman: Generation => although Bomberman owns, I've never played that one, so ditto.

This new bomberman owns. They took it back to the roots, none of this circular explosion shit they had on the N64. Only down side is I wish there were more multiplayer levels, but really, if they only included the original level, it would still have 10 hours in it.

Tagrineth

April 23rd, 2003, 23:06

Originally posted by Raging Fuel
This new bomberman owns. They took it back to the roots, none of this circular explosion shit they had on the N64. Only down side is I wish there were more multiplayer levels, but really, if they only included the original level, it would still have 10 hours in it.

Well they do use the 'circular explosions' for the adventure mode, which is good. But yes, the multiplayer is old-school! ^_^ Plus some new modes... (dodge battle is WAY too addictive...)

Stezo2k

April 23rd, 2003, 23:09

Originally posted by Raging Fuel
Stezo2k: You keep talking about how people don't want 'kiddie' graphics. They want 'serious' games

you telling me you play pokemon & harry potter?

i rest my case

Stezo2k

April 23rd, 2003, 23:18

look all i tried to say is gamecube has way too many games aimed for kids, many of which i dont like, due to them being designed for kids, ok there was a quite a few snes games like this, but we all enjoyed them back then cuz we were younger, the thing that pisses me off the most is zelda for GC, i mean yeah the previous ones looked cartoony, but the game was more mature, and was gr8 to play, now look at the latest zelda, that looks a hell of a lot more for kids, even plays it, i dont mind, but i actually like zelda, and this game doesnt do it for me, neither does many other Gamecube games, thats why i aint too keen on it, the only gamecube i liked was resident evil, that was gr8 but was a bit hard, most of the rest have been ported to other consoles.

DuDe

April 23rd, 2003, 23:51

jvolel

April 24th, 2003, 02:39

Originally posted by DuDe
Mask of Majora.

thats a neggative sir.

DuDe

April 24th, 2003, 04:13

You know I'm right :P

Tagrineth

April 24th, 2003, 04:23

I loved Majora's Mask.

Far and away better than OoT, IMO.

Almost every complaint I hear about MM is 'oh theres no zelda' or 'oh its too short', both of which are really retarded reasons to call it "terrible".

Raging Fuel

April 24th, 2003, 08:39

Originally posted by Stezo2k
you telling me you play pokemon & harry potter?

i rest my case

You rest your case? Well of course, with that single sweeping statement, you have knocked me into a corner, and I will now instantly surrender to your superior opinions.

No, I didn't like the harry potter games (although the books are great), but the pokemon games are fine examples of a well designed RPG. And I can't believe there are people who liked the GC RE, I thought it was one of the most boring games I have ever played. It was not scary at all, the puzzles were stupid and obscure, the combat system was impossible to control. And it's not like I didn't give it a chance, hell, I wanted to like the game. I played it for about 3 of the most boring hours of my life.

'now look at the latest zelda, that looks a hell of a lot more for kids, even plays it, i dont mind, but i actually like zelda, and this game doesnt do it for me' First of all, this doesn't even make sense. Second, how much have you played this new zelda? Coz it's exactly like the others in the series.

Tagrineth: Well, I actually have never played the single player for bomberman generation :P I was just so happy they got rid of circular explosions in the multiplayer :)

pj64er

April 24th, 2003, 09:20

Originally posted by jvolel
ps2 is good (zoe 2 anyone? dark cloud 2 anyone? dyanasty warriors 4 anyone? tenchu: wrath of haven anyone? ....... and a few more)

actually, of these, im only looking forward to zoe 2. But how much im looking forward to it is another matter. Damn, that game looks so seck-se...*drool*

jvolel

April 24th, 2003, 10:53

yeah zoe 2 is freakin great
zoe 2 = gundam wing meets dbz (and damn near any hyper powerfull robot's causing mass destruction anime out there) :happy: :holiday:

Stezo2k

April 24th, 2003, 14:58

Originally posted by Raging Fuel
You rest your case? Well of course, with that single sweeping statement, you have knocked me into a corner, and I will now instantly surrender to your superior opinions.
LMAO

Originally posted by Raging Fuel
No, I didn't like the harry potter games (although the books are great), but the pokemon games are fine examples of a well designed RPG. And I can't believe there are people who liked the GC RE, I thought it was one of the most boring games I have ever played. It was not scary at all, the puzzles were stupid and obscure, the combat system was impossible to control. And it's not like I didn't give it a chance, hell, I wanted to like the game. I played it for about 3 of the most boring hours of my life.[/B]

Yeah i guess your right about pokemon, i have played it myself, didnt like it too much, wasn't too original, apart from you collect the monsters you battle. About Resi, i find it really addictive, its kinda like playing a horror movie, and you are wondering what happens next, you know how ppl are, they enjoy horror movies etc.

Originally posted by Raging Fuel
'now look at the latest zelda, that looks a hell of a lot more for kids, even plays it, i dont mind, but i actually like zelda, and this game doesnt do it for me' First of all, this doesn't even make sense. Second, how much have you played this new zelda? Coz it's exactly like the others in the series.[/B]

yeah, i know i said that, and got flamed by you lot lol, yeah i have played it, but it still seems very childish though, dont get me wrong, but the cell shading does look quite nice though. As for Zelda i only liked Zelda 3 for the SNES. Yes i do still play SNES games, and before you say, yes they are cartoony yeah, but the games are really addictive, Zelda for GC seems to be aimed at a lower age than the previous ones though, which is annoying, and doesnt help sales with the older gamer. Its kinda like when Ministry Of Sound started putting crap like scooter and flip & fill into their albums, labeling it as trance, when it's just a cheesey version of dance, why? Because of boosting sales, and increasing popularity with younger ppl, it annoys me.

Originally posted by Raging Fuel
Tagrineth: Well, I actually have never played the single player for bomberman generation :P I was just so happy they got rid of circular explosions in the multiplayer :) [/B]

yeah i liked bomberman too, the psx version was gr8, i was just saying it appeals to the younger age group even though they are addictive as hell, kinda like snes games

Raging Fuel

April 24th, 2003, 19:24

Finally, a sensible post. Sure you completely disagreed with me on lots of things, but at least you didn't give bullshit reasons :)

Anyway, with zelda, I have found it to be easier than other zelda's i've played. But still the fun is there for me, so I'm happy.

FAR

April 24th, 2003, 20:00

Nintendo have been always famous for the quality games. You can find those for GC, too, just take a look around.

The disappointing thing is the lack in the number of released cool games. I miss MarioKart...

Davemc

April 25th, 2003, 00:44

Mario Kart, F-Zero, Mario 128, Harvest Moon, Soul Calibur 2 and Metriod Prime 2 are all games I am looking foward to on the cube.
I need to buy Super Monkey Ball 2 when I have enough money too.

pj64er

April 26th, 2003, 22:51

Also, keep in mind that Enix-Square is now making games for nintendo as well. We got 2-3 rpgs to look forward to for the GameCube.

AlphaWolf

April 29th, 2003, 06:45

Originally posted by dayve
F-Zero ... Metriod Prime 2

The only two games I would even consider renting for a GC, certainly not going to get one for just that though.

Maybe if they were published for something I already own, like a PC or xbox. (which could happen if nintendo took the sega route, which I still think they will despite their comments about how they would leave the video game industry first...they are a public corporation, they will never hold true to that statement if it came down to it)

Davemc

April 29th, 2003, 07:01

I might buy another XBOX after I sold mine. I just need to see a decent game come out for it first. That will complete my collection of next-gen consoles, having already completed my last-gen collection, though my Saturn has been in the shed for years. Don't even know if Saturn counts as last gen anyway :P. Dreamcast does unforunately :(.

Tagrineth

April 29th, 2003, 10:15

Originally posted by AlphaWolf
Maybe if they were published for something I already own, like a PC or xbox. (which could happen if nintendo took the sega route, which I still think they will despite their comments about how they would leave the video game industry first...they are a public corporation, they will never hold true to that statement if it came down to it)

Trouble with that, though, is of course that Nintendo is still turning hefty profits. :)

AlphaWolf

April 29th, 2003, 12:27

Originally posted by Tagrineth
Trouble with that, though, is of course that Nintendo is still turning hefty profits. :)

Little by little, the proverbial faucet is turning off for them. :satisfied

Davemc

April 30th, 2003, 01:48

Zelda WW was delivered today, 3 days before release. :)

DuDe

April 30th, 2003, 02:54

Originally posted by Tagrineth

Almost every complaint I hear about MM is 'oh theres no zelda' or 'oh its too short', both of which are really retarded reasons to call it "terrible".
No, those aren't my complains on Majora's Mask, my complaint is that it's too damn boring. But that's just me.

Davemc

April 30th, 2003, 08:18

I love Zelda, but Majoras Mask was bullshit. I never bothered to play most of it because I found it too tedious going backwards and fowards through days and whatever. If there wasn't any day countdown and included some half decent bosses the game would of been cool. And also not focused on masks so much ;).

First impressions of WW are good, it's definately more OOT than MM.

Macca

April 30th, 2003, 10:31

Top 100 games in USA for March

http://www.cube-europe.com/news.php?nid=4196

Find out the top 100 games that were sold in the USA in March, with a familiar number one.
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker topped the chart for this month, selling nearly 200,000 compared to the number two game. Nintendo also hold all three top spots, certainly Nintendo's month in the USA.

1. GCN ZELDA:WIND WAKER 826,352
2. GBA POKEMON RUBY 652,595
3. GBA POKEMON SAPPHIRE 585,098
4. PS2 TENCHU 3:WRATH 164,282
5. PS2 THE GETAWAY 139,796

Go zelda go! :P

Tagrineth

April 30th, 2003, 11:35

Originally posted by dayve
I love Zelda, but Majoras Mask was bullshit. I never bothered to play most of it because I found it too tedious going backwards and fowards through days and whatever. If there wasn't any day countdown and included some half decent bosses the game would of been cool. And also not focused on masks so much ;).

I didn't find MM boring at all. The only thing that was kinda annoying was having to re-collect money and things like bombs, and money isn't a problem if you know how to reach a few silver rupees. :flowers: Also collecting items is easy once you have the Goron's Mask.

Also I had to re-do the second dungeon once because I took too long and had literally 2 seconds on the clock when I pulled out my Ocarina to warp back after finishing it... but it was easy the second time through.

If the game didn't have a countdown it'd be way too easy, anyway.

And half decent bosses? The TwinMold owned all of OOT's bosses hands down! Well maybe not Bongo dude, but still, I occasionally pop the game in again just to go fight TwinMold again ^_^ And the entire water dungeon was a blast, IMO... and ended with one of the toughest 3D Zelda bosses to date.

Then there's the menus. They're vastly improved over OOT's. Before you say anything about how identical they seem, consider a few things: 1. Item selection - you can move the cursor across blank spaces. Very handy if your items are sparse across the board; I remember several times in OOT I had to wrestle with the cursor to select an item. 2. SPEED. OOT's is just freaking painful to navigate after spending some time in MM. And 3. Die, equipment subscreen, die. It shouldn't have been necessary, darnit!

Next we have the masks. What's wrong with the masks? Some of the masks felt too gimmicky (like the all-night mask - it gets you two pieces of heart but otherwise does squat), but they were still fun, and the bunny hood was UBER useful. And Zora Link > *.

Finally... OOT's entire story was almost like Zelda:LttP: The Director's Cut. There were so many parallels it just bugged the hell out of me. MM has an original, and very touching storyline.