I bought a Saitek P2500 rumble pad last week and it works good. A very nice pad indeed and well made. I always use the 1 button to map the z button cause I use it very often and finally at last, I have enough buttons to to map all on the pad. And a big plus , rumble works with Nrages plugin now. I use my old axispads for extra players they work fine and have dual analog but the rumble drivers of axispads dont work with Nrages.The rumble on the new pad is not very strong with nrages , force is turned all the way up , but I can feel it just fine. I guess an adaptiod would be the best thing to have. I will end up getting one sooner or later. Later