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Eagle

aka Alshain
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ok, I cant boot XP anymore, can someone help me recover my stuff so I can reinstall. I need to boot to normal or safe mode but this is all I get.
 

Remote

Active member
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Can't you boot from cd and then reinstall it, so that your files and similar will be left intact while XP gets all new files. If you are on a NTFS partion with private folders I would really advice you to try as much as you can before trashing it since the private folders will be very private after a reinstall.
 

Doomulation

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Remote said:
Can't you boot from cd and then reinstall it, so that your files and similar will be left intact while XP gets all new files. If you are on a NTFS partion with private folders I would really advice you to try as much as you can before trashing it since the private folders will be very private after a reinstall.
As much as I've had trouble with this, I found a simple solution. Private folders and not private if you're an administrator; whatever os that supports ntfs it is.
Don't worry about private data; it can easily be recovered.
 

My95ZR2

New member
Pop back in your Install CD (WINXP) and boot it. Select recovery console when it asks you what you wanna do (I think the choices are "Install Windows", "Repair Install", and "Recovery Console". This basically gets you into a cheap Dos prompt with some fancy commands.

Does XP try to boot? (EG, read the bootpartition?) If not, there's a command to rebuild your boot partition. If the MBR is screwed, you can rebuild it. You can also fix the files that make XP boot (the dreaded NTLDR error X( )

If your windows system is totally screw, reinstall it to another folder on the same drive. It'll say your private files may get over written. Simply choose another user name for yourself (maybe Remote :p ) and continue the install. When everything is up and running, all your old junk will still be in the old folders of your user name. Copy everything over and delete the old crap. You may have to pull some permission strings, but it's do-able.

NOTE: Don't choose the same user name that your private files are on, cause I -think- it'll delete them. I haven't ever tried it, cause I value my files way too much

NOTE2: The install give you the option to reformat your system...please tell me you are smart enough to know not to...

(^^Those are for stupid people that may read this...I give you more credit than that)

If your filesystem isn't NTFS, you may wanna backup your files, and do a fresh install with NTFS. Unless you have a specific reason of using FAT, switch. NTFS is almost bullet-proof (I haven't killed it yet, and I'm rough on systems) and will treat you alot better.

Adam
 

Doomulation

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NTFS used only to be pain in the ass...
but again, it can be nice. There's no real visual advantages for home users (except lesser disk usage) with the use of NTFS over FAT32. Oh, and windows can restrict access to files/folders with it.
 
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Eagle

Eagle

aka Alshain
Moderator
In answer to all your questions, yes XP boots and when the desktop shows up it crashes and restarts (in safe mode as well). I dont need to install to another folder, I can repair install but I was hoping for an easier way. yeah, I'm not dumb enough to format. Yes file system is NTFS, otherwise I could use Win98 to rescue my files.
 

AlphaWolf

I prey, not pray.
Eagle said:
In answer to all your questions, yes XP boots and when the desktop shows up it crashes and restarts (in safe mode as well). I dont need to install to another folder, I can repair install but I was hoping for an easier way. yeah, I'm not dumb enough to format. Yes file system is NTFS, otherwise I could use Win98 to rescue my files.

You know what else can read NTFS just fine now is linux. If you are afraid that a repair install wont fix anything, you may consider grabbing a knoppix (linux distro that runs entirely off of a cdrom, no hard disk installation necessary, it includes NTFS support by default) image and setting up a samba share with another windows or linux computer (very easy to do) so that you can back up the files via your network.
 

My95ZR2

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QUOTE: NTFS used only to be pain in the ass...
but again, it can be nice. There's no real visual advantages for home users (except lesser disk usage) with the use of NTFS over FAT32. Oh, and windows can restrict access to files/folders with it.

I don't know if it's switching over to a NT kernel (XP from 98) or switching from FAT32 from to NTFS, but I used to curropt the FAT table all the time. A windows install would only last a year to two years on my system. I didn't get viruses (okay, only once...but I fixed it) I just ran emulation and all that. Well...there was the one time I tried to run Golden Eye on Nemu with a 266Mhz and a 4MB STB ViRge 4mb. Yeah, that locked it up, and the Promise Ultra33 controler memory curropted and nuked the hard drive and there the system went...

Now that I think about it, I think that Promise Ultra33 card gave me the most trouble--that and the IOmega Zip Drive...those drivers always nuked Windows in 3 months or less...you could time it!

Anyway, I love XP and NTFS. I've goofed up the system twice (my own fault...gotta follow all the steps ;) ) and have recovered it without re-installing Windows. Now if I could keep mom from opening viruses in her email, I'd be all set :eek:

Adam
 

Doomulation

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Things such as private folders would be restricted to anyone not the owner or an administrator...
would Linux be able to get the information that's protected there?
 
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Eagle

Eagle

aka Alshain
Moderator
AlphaWolf said:
You know what else can read NTFS just fine now is linux. If you are afraid that a repair install wont fix anything, you may consider grabbing a knoppix (linux distro that runs entirely off of a cdrom, no hard disk installation necessary, it includes NTFS support by default) image and setting up a samba share with another windows or linux computer (very easy to do) so that you can back up the files via your network.

Well, it would probably be easier to install WinXP on my Fat32 drive than doing all that downloading. I was going to repartition it and install RedHat on it but I havent done so just yet so currently its empty. Oh and I dont have any private folders, its a private computer so I never saw the need for restricting access to any specific files.
 

AlphaWolf

I prey, not pray.
Doomulation said:
Things such as private folders would be restricted to anyone not the owner or an administrator...
would Linux be able to get the information that's protected there?

Yes; these are only flags that the OS enforces, they aren't protected by any particular means. The only possible exception is EFS encrypted files, but they are encrypted based on the owners password hash, and I wouldn't be surprised if there was at least an experimental NTFS driver that is able to decrypt and read them if the password is given.
 
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Eagle

Eagle

aka Alshain
Moderator
OK, I think I'm gonna do this the easier way and install NTFS for Win98 but if someone could send the following files from WinXP Pro to me I would appreciate it (if they are to big to attach them here than let me know and just forget it, I'll just have to do it the hard way)

NTFS.SYS: this file is located at <winnt>\system32\drivers\ntfs.sys
NTOSKRNL.EXE: this file is located at <winnt>\system32\ntoskrnl.exe
AUTOCHK.EXE: this file is located at <winnt>\system32\autochk.exe
NTDLL.DLL: this file is located at <winnt>\system32\ntdll.dll
C_437.NLS: this file is located at <winnt>\system32\c_437.nls
C_1252.NLS: this file is located at <winnt>\system32\c_1252.nls
L_INTL.NLS: this file is located at <winnt>\system32\l_intl.nls
 

AlphaWolf

I prey, not pray.
Eagle said:
OK, I think I'm gonna do this the easier way and install NTFS for Win98 but if someone could send the following files from WinXP Pro to me I would appreciate it (if they are to big to attach them here than let me know and just forget it, I'll just have to do it the hard way)

NTFS.SYS: this file is located at <winnt>\system32\drivers\ntfs.sys
NTOSKRNL.EXE: this file is located at <winnt>\system32\ntoskrnl.exe
AUTOCHK.EXE: this file is located at <winnt>\system32\autochk.exe
NTDLL.DLL: this file is located at <winnt>\system32\ntdll.dll
C_437.NLS: this file is located at <winnt>\system32\c_437.nls
C_1252.NLS: this file is located at <winnt>\system32\c_1252.nls
L_INTL.NLS: this file is located at <winnt>\system32\l_intl.nls

I believe windows has a DRM feature that won't allow you to copy those files off of your own hard disk. I honestly think that the easiest thing you can do though is run a repair install off of your OS install cd. It is fully automatic and only takes an hour at most.
 
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Eagle

Eagle

aka Alshain
Moderator
AlphaWolf said:
I believe windows has a DRM feature that won't allow you to copy those files off of your own hard disk. I honestly think that the easiest thing you can do though is run a repair install off of your OS install cd. It is fully automatic and only takes an hour at most.

Hmm, ok well thats odd, I wonder how this NTFS for Windows is supposed to work if you cant copy them.

http://www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/freeware/ntfswin98.shtml

Anyway I'll just do the repair install, that just takes forever to do and I have to wait till I have time.
 

Trotterwatch

Active member
I've done repair installs before now, they are actually not that slow (less than 1hr and fully automated; as Alphawolf stated).
 
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Eagle

Eagle

aka Alshain
Moderator
Trotterwatch said:
I've done repair installs before now, they are actually not that slow (less than 1hr and fully automated; as Alphawolf stated).


OK, I did the repair install but it didnt work, I still get the same error message that I did to begin with. All I need to do is get my files off this drive and I can format it and just give it a clean install of windows.
 

Remote

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AlphaWolf said:
*shrug* set up a quick second install of XP without bothering to configure any of the hardware? It'd take you about an hour.

Heh if this was my computer I would have had this resolved a week ago :p

ROFL :whistling
 
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Eagle

Eagle

aka Alshain
Moderator
Remote said:
ROFL :whistling


too late, I already have it resolved. And no you wouldnt have had it resolved a week ago, I just posted it a 5 days ago.
 

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