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t0rek

Wilson's Friend
OK, I know that DVD are supossed to be 4.7 Gb when they really are 4.38 Gb. I am aware of this, but I'm just wondering why they claim to be 4.7 Gb if they are not?
 

JinXD

Member
Isn't it just the difference between using 1024kb per mb instead of 1000kb per mb?

edit: actually that doesn't make sence either, dunno?
 

zman

New member
This is one of the oldest questions in computer history...

The answer lies in the floppy disket... Yes the floppy disket is one of the reasons people asked this question... So here's the answer... Any medium used by a computer needs to be formatted in order for that computer's OS to read that medium... So in the case of the DVD... The unformatted medium, which is not readable by any computer's OS is at full unused capacity of 4.7 GB a single Density DVD... Double Density is 9.2 GB... So when the DVD is formatted for the computer OS to read, that format information takes up space and thus you have what is left over to use... The remaining 4.38 GB... This is true on all medium used by a computer...
 
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t0rek

t0rek

Wilson's Friend
OK zman, if what you said it's true, why 700 Mb CDs have real 700 Mb ?
 

Stezo2k

S-2K
JinXD said:
Isn't it just the difference between using 1024kb per mb instead of 1000kb per mb?

edit: actually that doesn't make sence either, dunno?

i'm pretty sure its that, they probably counted 1 MB as 1000kb NOT 1024kb, which is an actual megabyte
 
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t0rek

t0rek

Wilson's Friend
Stezo2k said:
i'm pretty sure its that, they probably counted 1 MB as 1000kb NOT 1024kb, which is an actual megabyte

Well, I'm aware that 1024kb is a megabyte, but why they didn't realize that?
 

ScottJC

At your service, dood!
Maybe because they are stupid? I wondered why this was the case as well, maybe there is an overhead... but its not totally uncommon just to dvd-r's, hard drives suffer this as well because they claim to be 80gb for instance and i end up only being able to see 75gb of it.. or something.
 

Stezo2k

S-2K
t0rek said:
Well, I'm aware that 1024kb is a megabyte, but why they didn't realize that?

well its probably to make the dvd storage look bigger?

they do it with hard drives too, my 120 gig shows up at 111gig
 

zAlbee

Keeper of The Iron Tail
yes, jinXD is right, zman is not.

hard drive manufacturers sell you 1,000,000,000 bytes instead of the real 1 gigabyte (1024^3). looks like DVD R does the same. just take 4,700,000,000 and divide by 1024 three times... you'll get 4.38 GB. floppy is the same 1,440,000 = 1.37 MB. CDs seem to be the exception... you get a nice and real 702 MB.
 

Eagle

aka Alshain
Moderator
ScottJC said:
Maybe because they are stupid? I wondered why this was the case as well, maybe there is an overhead... but its not totally uncommon just to dvd-r's, hard drives suffer this as well because they claim to be 80gb for instance and i end up only being able to see 75gb of it.. or something.


Thats different. 1st, Windows doesn't use all of a hard drive, it leaves part of it unpartitioned. Second a file system takes up disk space, small as it may be, it uses some. Third, cutting the silicone disks for a hard drive isn't an exact science, you cut it close to what you think it will be and then call it that, sometimes its more, sometimes its less. my 250GB hard drive has 258GB of unpartitioned space.
 

ScottJC

At your service, dood!
I meant in the terms of not having the exact space that they say, 4.7gb is not 4.38gb and 80gb is not 75gb... i'm just showing an example of similarity.
 

Stezo2k

S-2K
t0rek said:
So, Why CDs are an exception to the rule?

No idea... maybe the creators decided it was only fair to tell the truth?

Don't forget DVD was probably created by a different company
 

MasterPhW

Master of the Emulation Flame
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That's strange, because can burn around 4500 GB on a DVD media without problems :plain:
What for a CD burner do you have? 4500 GB on one DVD? OMG! *lol*

A 700 MB CD means 700 MB, a 1GB CD/DVD would mean 1024 MB and a 4,7 GB DVD would mean 4812,8 MB...
Ups, now I'm confused!
 

Stezo2k

S-2K
MasterPhW said:
A 700 MB CD means 700 MB, a 1GB CD/DVD would mean 1024 MB and a 4,7 GB DVD would mean 4812,8 MB...
Ups, now I'm confused!

You are right about the 1st two, but 4.7Gig is not 4812MB

4700 / 1.024 = 4589.84
 

Eagle

aka Alshain
Moderator
Stezo2k said:
You are right about the 1st two, but 4.7Gig is not 4812MB

4700 / 1.024 = 4589.84

No, he was right. There is 1024 MB in a gigabyte. If you have 4.7 gigabytes the calculation would be more like this

1024 * 4.7 = 4812.8MB

or if you want to break it down

1024 + 1024 + 1024 + 1024 + (0.7 * 1024)
4096 + 716.8
4812.8

I'm not sure what calculation you were doing.
 
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