Alpha

[vampireuk]

I had to bring this up since the other thread was closed.....

Americans have earned everything we have, is it a crime to enjoy the result of our hard work?

So everyone in the thirdworld should suffer just because they were born in poverty and there is no way out for them?

Americans have earned everything we have, is it a crime to enjoy the result of our hard work

Thats the most self righteous pos I have ever heard. The difference between the poor and rich in America is stupid are all those who are not earning millions lazy? No they are the ones that work their asses off so the fat bastard CEO's of the company can increase their own wage.

Theres a difference between being lazy and wanting to be at the top of the pack,

Can you say bullshit? People can work their ass off all their life and not make any significant money. Despite what you think Alpha America is not perfect. There are poor people there who work their asses off to earn minimum wage. They are in every country so drop the bullshit.

 

[yogaman]

so called "working poor" ...........well, just my speech vampy!

EDIT: also, going through alphas post again - I've never seen such a pile of shit written in one post before, sorry alpha!! The US media must have totally blinded you.

 

[2fast4u]

People get rich by earning their way to the top.

seriously, thats bullshit.

"if a rich man tells u he got rich by hard work, ask him: 'whose?'"

Americans have earned everything we have, is it a crime to enjoy the result of our hard work?

unfortunately america is not just the beefy corporations and ceos u see on television. as my bud vamp above pointed out, the rich live on the cost of the poor in this, your, country and i can see why they are being ignored.

on top of that .. america - like every capitalist country - lives on the cost of the rest of this world. the ressources of poor countries in the 3rd world and south america are robbed by the west to be used in our economy and the people over there can work their whole life for a dollar a day. hell, we earn it! :innocent:

 

[Trotterwatch]

seriously, thats bullshit.

"if a rich man tells u he got rich by hard work, ask him: 'whose?'"

Whilst it would be foolish to deny that some people do indeed just get lucky, or have internal connections to get to the top, to say that everyone in a position of high power has done it on the backs of other peoples hard work is just plain wrong.

 

[AlphaWolf]

bah, and they start a thread as a direct attack against me, I suppose a response is called for.

I had to bring this up since the other thread was closed.....

So everyone in the thirdworld should suffer just because they were born in poverty and there is no way out for them?

Theres no such thing as no way out, period.

Thats the most self righteous pos I have ever heard. The difference between the poor and rich in America is stupid are all those who are not earning millions lazy? No they are the ones that work their asses off so the fat bastard CEO's of the company can increase their own wage.

I never said that. But thats the glory of capitalism, you don't have to be in any one spot, you can take risks to move up. I should know this pretty damn well, as I have done some pretty damn hard labor for a few years myself, the result of which is why I am in college now. I am by no means rich. Lots of people simply chose to spend every dime they get right when they get it, in most cases before they even get it. Nobody told anybody to give some fat bank CEO money for interest on an insecured loan, they chose to do so, nobody forced them to buy a new big screen even though they didn't have the money for it. (one of thousands of examples)

Can you say bullshit? People can work their ass off all their life and not make any significant money. Despite what you think Alpha America is not perfect. There are poor people there who work their asses off to earn minimum wage. They are in every country so drop the bullshit.

Granted, to some extent theres a bit of truth in this. But you know, I have seen some people work their asses off at burger king. It's an easy as hell job, which is why they chose it, and it never pays shit, and they never go anywhere. You want to know another thing? currently you can earn 30,000 a year, tax free, by simply begging for money on the street. There are better jobs, if somebody with as little skill as me can find one, I think other people can too. Hell just the other day I just saw an add for a janitorial contractor looking to start just any moron for $10 an hour, the only significant thing I recall it asking for was "good work ethnics". Also think about everybody you have ever known who was unemployed for a long period, and ask yourself, "were they unemployed by choice?"

Now even if we had communism in karl marx truest form, there would still be a lower class of hard labor, though they never had communism correct (probably because true communism can't exist), russia and china are perfect examples of this. Everybody everywhere has always lived under an heirarchal structure, theres no changing it, unless all of a sudden everybody decides to live in a dream world created by a weed trip.

seriously, thats bullshit.

"if a rich man tells u he got rich by hard work, ask him: 'whose?'"

Whilst it would be foolish to deny that some people do indeed just get lucky, or have internal connections to get to the top, to say that everyone in a position of high power has done it on the backs of other peoples hard work is just plain wrong.

100% correct on all counts. I myself know 2 people making 300k (half of that is money that I am pretty damn sure they have embezzled) a year right now because daddy owns the company, but quite honestly I don't think they are worth a fraction of what they earn, but you know, I'm gonna work the system, and god/allah/buddy christ have mercy should I ever be their employer one day. But, just like some fat people blame mcdonalds for making them that way, some people like to blame the upper classes for them being poor, and they aren't willing to do a damn thing about it either, all they want to do is complain about it til the day they die.

And again, I am still wanting to see an example of just one of you supporting the very groups that you say us evil americans are harming. The EU certainly doesn't give a damn, in fact they make us look like the good ol' boys in that respect.

 

[sytaylor]

Re: Re: Alpha

100% correct on all counts. I myself know 2 people making 300k (half of that is money that I am pretty damn sure they have embezzled) a year right now because daddy owns the company, but quite honestly I don't think they are worth a fraction of what they earn, but you know, I'm gonna work the system, and god/allah/buddy christ have mercy should I ever be their employer one day. But, just like some fat people blame mcdonalds for making them that way, some people like to blame the upper classes for them being poor, and they aren't willing to do a damn thing about it either, all they want to do is complain about it til the day they die.

And again, I am still wanting to see an example of just one of you supporting the very groups that you say us evil americans are harming. The EU certainly doesn't give a damn, in fact they make us look like the good ol' boys in that respect.

The comparison to people blaming mcdonalds for making them fat as to those who are poor blaming those who arent is excellent, and though the other argument is probably on a more international scale, in the small scale of amount of hard work for pay off, it stands true.

and that second paragraph is oh so true... :thumbsup: the ever so beloved "socialist" EU is a far worse extortionist of africa and the poorest countries in the world than the US is. Just look at the EU's food stores which could cure world famine... but they hold on to it "just in case" because its an EU directive to do so. ugh! hell even the US sells the majority of its food produce, but not the EU oh no... they FORCE farmers not to sell their goods so that they can be stored by the EU...

CEO's are not the enemy believe it or not... chances are theyre in the position that they are in because of a prooven track record of being good at what they do... i mean if they werent theyd be crushed in the brutal world of commerce. I know for a fact BT's CEO from holland paid his way though business school and actually lied on his CV to get a top job at an american bank, from where he proove himself and has since stayed in teh upper echlons of business.

Im a firm believer that if someone has worked for something it should never be taken from them, even if u disagree with the amount they get.

 

[vampireuk]

I'm sure those making a shiny dollar for a days work will be happy with that then. Hard work does not always pay off despite what everyone thinks

 

[sytaylor]

regardless, you cant blame those that earn for jobs that are construed as "easy" for the gulf in earnings

 

[AlphaWolf]

right, and you also have to remember that all CEOs of publicly owned stocks are elected (well, unless of course they own most of the company, a la the WWF guy, who happens to be a self made man). For example, steve balmer is the head of microsoft because the majority of everybody who owns microsoft stock believes hes simply the best person to lead the company in fulfilling its objectives. On a side note, I couldn't agree more, different attributes about the guy suggest that if he wasn't the head of microsoft, he would be the head of something pretty damn big.

Also vampireuk, I want you to take a good look in front of you. What your looking at right now was probably built by those dollar a day folks. You shouldn't complain about the problem unless your willing to fix the problem, and buying overly cheap hardware doesn't help.

EDIT:
oh and 2 more things,

you have to understand that like (random guess) 90% of these people with low wages in the US made some stupid choices, for example dropping out of high school. (yeah I know, bill gates is an exception to the rule as he dropped out of high school too, but more often than not hs dropouts are failures, they know they are failures, and they still dont give a shit other than to blame somebody else for their fuckup)

I may be evil, and I may be an asshole, but I did just surrender 11% of my bodies blood supply this afternoon :sly:

 

[vampireuk]

so they made a mistake, they work hard but because they dont earn lots they are lazy?

riiiight

Also vampireuk, I want you to take a good look in front of you. What your looking at right now was probably built by those dollar a day folks

ok I shall set up a computer hardware company that employs people for a good wage and healthy benefits

The head of the wwf took over the company from his dad, self made man?

My main point is alpha despite what you think, not everyone who has a low income is lazy

 

[AlphaWolf]

ok I shall set up a computer hardware company that employs people for a good wage and healthy benefits

Right, whatever, but until you do, you have no ground to complain.

The head of the wwf took over the company from his dad, self made man?

I dunno, I am not sure if it was wwf now that I think about it, maybe it was wcw, or maybe some other big "fake wrestling" group. What I said was a true statement about one of em.

My main point is alpha despite what you think, not everyone who has a low income is lazy

I never said this.

 

[sytaylor]

i think you mean ecw which paul heyman built from his bedroom

 

[mesman00]

Originally posted by AlphaWolf

some people like to blame the upper classes for them being poor, and they aren't willing to do a damn thing about it either, all they want to do is complain about it til the day they die.

I totally agree with this statement. There are plenty of people who would rather bitch and moan about their problem, and have poeple feel bad for them, then actually get off their asses and get a job. Now i'm not saying this is everyone, but take a look at welfare. Half of the poeple on welfare are unemployed and don't do shit. But you know what, if they actually got a job, any job, because god knows there is gonna be something availabe for them (whether if be working in macdonalds, burger king, janitorial work, filing papers, cutting lawns, etc.), maybe the could stop bitching so much and earn some money, and make some sort of a living. Seriously, walk into one the the millions of fast food restaurants in country, and get a job. Sure, it doesn't pay much, but it's more than your making sitting at home bitching about how you ain't got shit. It's ridiculous, and actually pisses me off, when i hear about people living off welfare, not doing a god damn thing. Banning welfare might actually be an incentive for some people to go out and get a job, instead of living off Uncle Sam.

And another thing, there are plenty of junkies in this country who live on the street because supposedly, "they can't afford a home." however, many of these people find it possible to support a heavy drug habit. maybe if they stopped spending whatever little money they had on drugs, they can get their ass off the street and in shape.

 

[yogaman]

The one big difference between the US and europe is that in the US unemployed people are being considered as lazy and barely get support from the state wheras in europe unemployed people are considered as desperate and poor people who get some support - enough to survive but still not too much to make work attractive ........ I mean, in the US there are also other factors like racism that black people with equal qualities like white ones get bad wages and so on........... I'm not telling that US = bad / Europe = a bit better ....... more that Europe considers economy for the people wheras US mostly is more capitalistic and considers people for the will of economy

 

[yogaman]

Also I've read a very good article. It says that the majority of the poor people are black and so the majority of the white people don't want the state to aid the poor ones coz "it helps the black people more than us (white)" - hmmmm - I know there is racism everywhere but this thinking just stinks ...

 

[Sukh]

bloody hell, have we not had this argument before...??

Can't you lot just agree to disagree (uhm....)???

 

[sytaylor]

no

 

[vampireuk]

yes we can!

 

[yogaman]

yes we can!

no we can't .....heheh, you spammer :innocent:

 

[mesman00]

yoga, i agree w/ you, racisim does stink and is stupid!