2 Questions...

[garboy]

1.I was playing the Highland Warriors demo for awhile and all of a sudden, it just exited to the desktop. >_< It did the same with the Hitman 2 demo. Is it because i had my GF4 Ti 128mb set at "enhanced mode"? I set it to "safe mode." Will that help? Was it just because my clock speed was too high and was making my system unstable? Any help would be appreciated... ^_^

2.I was playing the Splinter Cell demo for the PC and it runs great and looks awesome on my computer...well i was looking at the scenery and i would sometimes see lights through walls that are supposed to be in different rooms. Is that supposed to happen? Or is it just a clipping problem in the demo that will be fixed in the real game? Thanks again!

BTW... :emutalk:

 

[garboy]

No no no...i said the games would just quit to the desktop for no reason and my processor isn't overclocked...i was talkin about my GF4

 

[Mayco]

if it was due to overclocking, the whole computer would crash, and now it only returns to the desktop.

 

[SuperSonic2K]

My Gainward GeForce4 Ti 4600, on rare instances, crashes/hangs on startup if my overclocking is too aggressive (set to enhanced mode)

as the other's said, ur proc may be overheated as well, usually problems start occuring at temp's of 60+ deg. C, as my oc'ed Athlon XP 2100+ (TBred) will start giving me either a BSOD / prog crash or hang (i like a random surprise ) once it starts hitting 55 C or above, though it's gotten close to that point at times - check ur temp through a supplied hardware monitor

 

[Eagle]

This sounds more like a hardware conflict, specifically with graphics or sound.

Start -> Run -> Type 'msinfo32.exe' and hit OK

Expand the Hardware Resources and choose confilicts and sharing. Look for anything out of the ordinary, especially IRQ settings that are shared. Obviously the AGP port may share memory with the video card or on Win98 there may be a PCI driver sharing an IRQ with every PCI card. This is normal. But if two cards or a card and a motherboard device are sharing an IRQ that is likely to be your problem if it is the video or sound (or for internet games if it is the Ethernet or Modem)

Or if you dont understand this...

Click File -> Save, and post it here and we can check it out.

 

[garboy]

Ok, I couldn't really understand it good so here's the info for conflicts/sharing under hardware resources:

I/O Port 0x00000000-0x00000CF7 PCI bus
I/O Port 0x00000000-0x00000CF7 Direct memory access controller

I/O Port 0x000003C0-0x000003DF VIA CPU to AGP Controller
I/O Port 0x000003C0-0x000003DF NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4200

IRQ 10 NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4200
IRQ 10 VIA Rev 5 or later USB Universal Host Controller
IRQ 10 VIA Rev 5 or later USB Universal Host Controller

IRQ 11 VIA AC'97 Audio Controller (WDM)
IRQ 11 Creative Modem Blaster V.90 PCI DI5655

Memory Address 0xD0000000-0xDFFFFFFF VIA CPU to AGP Controller
Memory Address 0xD0000000-0xDFFFFFFF NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4200

Memory Address 0xE4000000-0xE5FFFFFF VIA CPU to AGP Controller
Memory Address 0xE4000000-0xE5FFFFFF NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4200

Memory Address 0xA0000-0xBFFFF PCI bus
Memory Address 0xA0000-0xBFFFF VIA CPU to AGP Controller
Memory Address 0xA0000-0xBFFFF NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4200

I/O Port 0x000003B0-0x000003BB VIA CPU to AGP Controller
I/O Port 0x000003B0-0x000003BB NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4200

 

[Eagle]

IRQ 10 NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4200
IRQ 10 VIA Rev 5 or later USB Universal Host Controller
IRQ 10 VIA Rev 5 or later USB Universal Host Controller

IRQ 11 VIA AC'97 Audio Controller (WDM)
IRQ 11 Creative Modem Blaster V.90 PCI DI5655

Yeah, just as I thought. These shouldn't be shared. Did you build this PC or is it a pre-built?

 

[garboy]

I built it...what's so bad about the way it is?

 

[Trotterwatch]

In theory XP should be able to put every device onto the same IRQ without problems - but this doesn't always work out due to buggy drivers.

To be honest though I can't see anything wrong with your IRQ configuration - having said that I have never had an IRQ related computer problem so it's best left to those who have experienced it to give you advice

 

[Eagle]

I still think its an IRQ problem.

There is nothing wrong with the fact that you built it, as matter of fact its better. If Dell or Gateway or someplace else built it then they screwed up. But you didnt know any better probably.

Here is what you need to do. Somewhere in your motherboard manual it should list which expansion slots share an IRQ with which other expansion slot or Motherboard device, in this case it probably the Audio card with the network adapter. While some cards can support IRQ sharing, Audio cards are not very good at it. I'm assuming either the modem or audio is in an expansion slot and not a built in. Probably the modem cause VIA is your mother board chipset (its amazing, I might as well be a mind reader). Move the modem to another expansion slot but if possible try to coordinate with your motherboard manual and make sure all the cards or as many as possible (especially sound) dont have a shared IRQ with another card.

I dont think its the Video card because the USB is built into the motherboard and the IRQ is fixed, and the AGP slot has a fixed IRQ as well and the motherboard manufacturer will know this and will design the motherboard not to share anything that cant be shared. Hopefully this will fix the problem.

 

[garboy]

In my motherboard manual, it doesn't mention anything about IRQ or any of the PCI slots sharing anything so i dont know

 

[Eagle]

What is your motherboard make & model, and list all the expansion cards you have.

 

[Cyberman]

I would go into the BIOS and see if you can set the onboard 'stuff' such as the USB controller to something different. OR check if you can change the Nvidia cards IRQ.

PCI can share interrupts but not with motherboard devices. IE the motherboard device will end up with the interrupt all the time. The other option is turning off your video cards interrupt

Cyb

 

[AlphaWolf]

Shared IRQ ports only cause problems if you aren't running protected mode drivers. If the IRQ is causing a problem in protected mode, then both devices will either work just fine, or they wont work at all. That should not be the issue at all here. The problem is in directx itself.

garboy: I may have an answer, what OS version are you running?

And would you by any chance happen to be using a virus scanner? if so what brand/version?

 

[Eagle]

Shared IRQ ports only cause problems if you aren't running protected mode drivers. If the IRQ is causing a problem in protected mode, then both devices will either work just fine, or they wont work at all. That should not be the issue at all here. The problem is in directx itself.

garboy: I may have an answer, what OS version are you running?

And would you by any chance happen to be using a virus scanner? if so what brand/version?

Yeah but we have no idea if he is running protected mode drivers or not, thats my point, a lot of audio cards arent protected. It could be a direct X problem however, the problem is a lack of information. And no I have personally had two devices sharing an IRQ and when I moved them apart the crashing problem was solved but other than the crashing all the time, they worked fine. I know this is true because Ive had it happen to me before.

 

[AlphaWolf]

Maybe, but for almost all sound cards, there are protected mode drivers available, if you aren't using a protected mode driver in any 95 or up OS, then your driver is pretty old. Hell, I have found protected drivers for even the ancient ad-lib card. I don't think that real mode drivers can function at all in any NT based OS. If you are having any potential problem with real mode drivers in a 9x/ME OS, it would be indicated in one of the system properties tabs (right click on my computer, click properties, I forgot the exact tabs, but device manager might indicate an exclamation, or window that shows the 32-bit whatever it is status would specificaly state that theres a potential driver problem, even if it hasn't surfaced yet).

What I am thinking the issue may be is a real mode driver or TSR is playing a number on the directx libs. I used to have this problem before I started using windows 2000. Typicaly in this day of age, this kind of problem is caused by a virus scanner thats running dos mode TSRs in windows 9x/ME. You may be able to fix it by removing some (or all) of the contents of your config.sys and autoexec.bat files.

If you are using an NT based OS (e.g windows 2000 or XP), this problem is extremely rare and extremely hard to diagnose. Your best bet here is to upgrade all of your drivers to the latest version. That includes your sound drivers, network card drivers, modem drivers, motherboard chipset drivers, cdrom drivers, and whatever else you might have, just get it all up to date. If that doesn't fix it, try hitting control-alt-delete, click the processes tab, and close every process you can (except the svchost ones, don't touch them, if you hit the wrong one your sound driver could unload, or your system could reboot). Also run services.msc, and stop every service that you can, except the windows audio service. If this causes any problems, all of this will go back to normal when you reboot (just don't change the startup settings for the services).

 

[garboy]

Ok...im running Windows XP Pro. My motherboard is the VIA K7T Turbo (MS-6330) and i have Norton AntiVirus 2002

 

[Eagle]

Maybe, but for almost all sound cards, there are protected mode drivers available, if you aren't using a protected mode driver in any 95 or up OS, then your driver is pretty old. Hell, I have found protected drivers for even the ancient ad-lib card. I don't think that real mode drivers can function at all in any NT based OS. If you are having any potential problem with real mode drivers in a 9x/ME OS, it would be indicated in one of the system properties tabs (right click on my computer, click properties, I forgot the exact tabs, but device manager might indicate an exclamation, or window that shows the 32-bit whatever it is status would specificaly state that theres a potential driver problem, even if it hasn't surfaced yet).

Perhaps but my SBLive Value wont share IRQs with nutthin. I have only trouble if I try.