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ra5555

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For those that doesn't know:

"Clonaid Has 2,000 on Cloning List, Founder Says
Mon Dec 30, 1:40 PM ET Add Health - Reuters to My Yahoo!



MIAMI (Reuters) - The founder of the Raelian religion, whose adherents claim to have cloned a human, said a company he created has 2,000 people waiting to have themselves or a loved one cloned, a newspaper reported Monday.


Claude Vorilhon, a French native know as Rael to his followers who founded Clonaid in 1997, said in an hour-long interview Sunday in Miami that the company has a list of people willing to pay $200,000 each for cloning, the Miami Herald reported.

Brigitte Boisselier, the head of Clonaid, announced on Friday in Florida the company had produced the first human clone with the birth of a baby girl called Eve to a 31-year-old American woman. But she offered no proof.

The announcement drew immediate skepticism from experts and renewed questions on the ethics of human cloning.

Boisselier told CNN the 7-pound (3 kg) newborn and her parents would return home Monday but the location would be kept secret.

The Raelians, who claim 55,000 followers around the world, believe life on Earth was sparked by extraterrestrials who arrived 25,000 years ago and created humans through cloning.

Vorilhon, who describes himself as a prophet, told the Herald that he had distanced himself from Clonaid since its founding but expected the company to make money and to ultimately create eternal life.

"It's a commercial company and her goal is to make as much money as possible, and I hope she will make as much money as possible," Vorilhon said of Boisselier.

Vorilhon said he does not know the identity of the alleged cloned baby or her American mother.

He said scientists may develop technology within 25 years to create a full-grown human clone in hours and to "upload" the contents of a person's brain into the clone.

"It's a very beautiful step, but it's just a step," Vorilhon, 56, told the Herald, referring to the alleged cloning of Eve. "The ultimate goal is to give eternal life to humanity through cloning."

Vorilhon, who had his hair in a topknot and was dressed in what the Herald described as "white, space-age clothing from head to toe," claims to have been contacted on Dec. 13, 1973 outside Paris by aliens who told him that life on Earth had been created in laboratories by scientifically advanced people from space.

He told the Herald that Raelians are at the vanguard of science and philosophy.

"The problem is that you have men of today with tomorrow's technology and yesterday's philosophy," he said.

"People are lost and misguided by primitive religions...they are trying to slow down science. Nothing can stop science."

Cattle, mice, sheep and other animals have been cloned with mixed success. Some have displayed defects later in life and scientists fear the same could happen with cloned humans. "
Source: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20021230/hl_nm/cloning_clonaid_dc_1

Opinions Please:
 

t0rek

Wilson's Friend
:nuke: They are a lot of fools, I don't understand what could that people win by cloning people, I mean if you get cloned the clone will be biologically another person, and his mind will be totally different from yours, it will be another person, only that is genetically exactly like you, his attitude will be totally different and when you die you will die and that's it the clone will still living but he is not u :nuke: (!)
 
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Lachp30

Guest
Ya, ya, ya...its all a load of bull, well thats my opinion anyway<_<
 

AlphaWolf

I prey, not pray.
bestlegion said:
:nuke: They are a lot of fools, I don't understand what could that people win by cloning people, I mean if you get cloned the clone will be biologically another person, and his mind will be totally different from yours, it will be another person, only that is genetically exactly like you, his attitude will be totally different and when you die you will die and that's it the clone will still living but he is not u :nuke: (!)

Well, no, remember they are talking about being able to transfer ones memories, and in effect, their consciousness, into their genetic clone, so the clone would very well be you. As they said, what they have right now is only the first step. Whether or not they will be able to accomplish this is up for grabs, but nobody can say that they can or cannot pull it off.

This brings up an interesting thought I had earlier though:

Most major religions are just against cloning because they know that; should the concept be proven and possible, eventualy it will more than likely rule out creationism, and the existence of a spirit, which make up the foundations of their beliefs. Theres no other reason for them being against it other than ignorance and denial. I have read the bible, and it doesn't say anywhere that man can't clone himself. So if it is wrong to do, then "god" hasn't said so. (come to think of it, the existence of extraterrestrial life would probably have the same effect as well) Ignorance and denial are evidently strong values that the religious types hold.

Personaly, think its stupid to be so dogmatic like this. But, it would be a bit interesting to see how most people react when beliefs held on this large of a scale are outright proven wrong. My bet is that they would still hold on to them, but new "interpretations" of the bible will be adopted by the church organizations that they would never otherwise accept this day in age. (this has been done before, although not on as broad of a scale as this, hence why everybody tells you to not read the bible literaly, because if you do then it most certainly is contradictory to both modern science and to itself) Either that or they will simply label cloning as being "witchcraft" or "sorcery" and try to kill everybody that endorses it. :happy:

So far as cloning goes, I am not necessarily against it, but I would rather not see it go into widespread use, the concept and research itself is good enough imo, and should be continued, but I don't think that line should be crossed to the point that it becomes an everyday thing. No religious reasons (well, they are arguably religious, but certainly not "spiritual"), I just don't see any reason to bend the rules of our existence in this way, it seems as though we are harming our evolutionary "path to perfection" by doing this.
 
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AlphaWolf said:
Theres no other reason for being against it other than ignorance and denial.

i follow that sentiement fully, but also think this is a potentially massive turning point in humanity, if and when it arrives... not nessacerily the cloning, but more humanity helping evolution along a little bit. but then in many instances we've already done that, hearing aids make the deaf hear... cutting cateracts makes the blind see...

the line is so grey and wide that its very hard to tell whats right and whats wrong, especially with so many naysayers claiming its gonna bring the armageddon of human ethics, puhllllease ^_^
 

Tri-Force

Philosopher Warrior
the REAL thing is that conling is pointless because once you die you die. it's not YOU who is still living and cloning isn't even for your own sake. its for the selfish sake of the people who want to hold on to you forever. so cloning is pointless. and i dont really see how cloning can disrupt my religious beleif that God exsists and created the world. all it is is a minipulation of cells to create a zygote that is the same as the one you started as. and Just remember, if the VIRGIN Mary can have a child without sperm and an egg then it is is possiable to create life without a man and a woman. but this is where my belief (and i think everyones for that matter) steps in. i believe that life, wether you believe that we evolved or were created , is the way it is for a reason and shouldn't be fooled around with. and the creation of life applys to the above statement. and we shouldn't be playing God and charging money for it. and if you believe in evolution then this is just "survival of the richest"

getting back to the whole "existence of a soul" thing, i believe that we all have a soul. dont hate be because i believe it. dont ask me what proof i have. just listen. i dont believe that God only gives people a soul when the sperm hits the egg. i believe that you are given a soul when you are given life, however you are given that life. and this is the same why that many religous people believe. so when you say that it will disrupt our belief in the soul i say that it doesn't even cross most of our minds.
 

BTM

Polish Emu Scene Member
Hmm, maybe i'll clon myself so the other 'me' will do my homwork/schools and get shouted on ? COOL :>

/me thinks cloning is a good thing !
 
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AlphaWolf

I prey, not pray.
Tri-Force said:

the REAL thing is that conling is pointless because once you die you die. it's not YOU who is still living and cloning isn't even for your own sake. its for the selfish sake of the people who want to hold on to you forever. so cloning is pointless.

Well, there are two sides to that argument. Imagine if you woke up one day and somebody told you that you were a clone of yourself, minted after your first facsimile died. Go watch the movie "the 6th day" with arnold schwartzenegger, I think its on this week on TMC in fact. 'nuff said :happy:

Tri-Force said:
i believe that life, wether you believe that we evolved or were created , is the way it is for a reason and shouldn't be fooled around with. and the creation of life applys to the above statement. and we shouldn't be playing God and charging money for it. and if you believe in evolution then this is just "survival of the richest"

Pretty much what I think, but the research and development of such things should be allowed to continue, there are a huge number of very interesting things that can result from it. In the US, even the research is banned, which I think is just an effort on the part of our "judeo-christian" side of society to hinder what they despise so much: scientific fact penetrating their ignorance. Thats just plain wrong, its analogous to banning the space program because they still want to believe that the earth is the center of our solar system.
 

t0rek

Wilson's Friend
I think I'll die first before anyone could copy any memories of anybody, there is no way to do that actually
 

AlphaWolf

I prey, not pray.
bestlegion said:
I think I'll die first before anyone could copy any memories of anybody, there is no way to do that actually

Currently no, but what can be done eventualy is the question that nobody can answer without being dogmatic.
 

Tri-Force

Philosopher Warrior
we'll never land on the moon

the 4 minute mile is impossiable

air planes . . . yah right people cant fly

clone a sheep!?!?!?!?! you must be crazy

you mean you think you're gonna go faster than the speed of sound?!?!?!?!
 

Jesus

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Tri-Force said:
we'll never land on the moon

the 4 minute mile is impossiable

air planes . . . yah right people cant fly

clone a sheep!?!?!?!?! you must be crazy

you mean you think you're gonna go faster than the speed of sound?!?!?!?!

What are you talking about? We did land on the moon... <_<
 

Slougi

New member
Macca said:
screw cloning, lets upload our memories onto pcs :p (as seen in a stargate ep :p)
Hmm that would actually be pretty cool ^_^
No more school, no more annoying relatives, no more fucking cold winter days, just the warmth of virtual reality :p
Then again, maybe not...:plain:
 
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ra5555

N64 Newbie
incase you don't know Claude Vorilhon, the founder of the religion also clams to be Jesus's Brother.

news source:
"Claude Vorilhon, founder of the Raelian religion whose followers claim to have cloned a human for the first time, says its goal is to create eternal life through cloning -- and make a lot of money doing it.

In an hourlong interview Sunday, Vorilhon said a company he founded in 1997 has a waiting list of about 2,000 customers willing to pay $200,000 each to have themselves or a loved one cloned. He said he won't profit directly because he has distanced himself from Clonaid since founding it. But the French native said he won't turn away donations from the company.

''It's a commercial company and her goal is to make as much money as possible, and I hope she will make as much as possible,'' he said of Dr. Brigitte Boisselier, a scientist and close associate who orchestrated the cloning.

Speaking at the home of a follower in a gated community in North Miami-Dade County, Vorilhon detailed his philosophy, the rationale for cloning the baby known as Eve, and his grand strategy for the future. The Raelian leader was dressed in white space-age clothing from head to toe, sporting a knot of hair on his head.

Vorilhon, known as Rael to his followers, said that within 25 years, group scientists may develop technology to create a full-grown human clone in just hours and the mind of the cloned adult would receive instant knowledge via the ''uploading'' of information directly from the brain of another person.

Vorilhon claimed he doesn't know the identify of the cloned baby girl or the name of her American mother, but said she was born outside the United States. He said he would advise Boisselier not to identify the child until she's an adult to protect her privacy.

''It's a very beautiful step, but it's just a step,'' Vorilhon, 56, said, alluding to the alleged cloning of ''Eve.'' ``The ultimate goal is to give eternal life to humanity through cloning. The next step that will be discovered soon is what we call accelerated growth process to accelerate cellular multiplication.

``So, instead of needing nine months, then 18 years to make an adult, with a special technology you can have an adult clone copy of yourself in a few hours. This adult copy is just a blank tape, empty of memory and personality, just what you call hardware.''

LIVING FOREVER

Vorilhon expects ''step 3'' to materialize around the same time. Through advancements in neurological science and computer technology, he said, within 20 to 25 years scientists will be able to download the contents of an aging person's brain and then upload them into a clone's brain, he said.

``When you are about to die, you create an adult clone of yourself -- young -- and download your memory and personality inside this new body, and like that you can live forever.''

Many of the world's leading religious and political leaders have condemned the alleged cloning birth as irresponsible and devoid of ethics. Also, many members of the scientific community have expressed deep skepticism about the cloning claim, some going as far as calling it a possible hoax.

But Vorilhon says Raelians are at the vanguard of science and philosophy, taking into account the technologies that more established religions eliminate from their equations of faith.

''We are now living in a world that has become complicated,'' Vorilhon said. ``The problem is that you have men of today with tomorrow's technology and yesterday's philosophy.

``People are lost and misguided by primitive religions . . . they are trying to slow down science. Nothing can stop science.''

For someone so passionate about the concrete truths of science, Vorilhon offers little more than verbal accounts of his alleged encounters with extraterrestrials -- the very basis of his religion.

Vorilhon said he was on his way to work as a journalist at a car racing magazine in a small town outside Paris on Dec. 13, 1973, when something prodded him to drive to a volcanic crater. There, he said, he saw flashing lights and a 23-foot-wide flying saucer in the sky.

Upon landing, he said, a four-foot-tall alien emerged from the craft, renamed him Rael and told him he was the son of Yahweh and the brother of Jesus.

The alien visitor told Vorilhon that life on Earth was created in extraterrestrial laboratories by the Elohim, an advanced people from space. He said humans will one day be gods themselves, creating life, traveling throughout the universe, and spreading it to other planets.

''The people we create will look at us as gods,'' he said.

Vorilhon, who snowbirds in South Florida in the winter, calls himself a prophet of the Elohim. Vorilhon has two children, one who supports his religious views. The other is estranged.

When asked what he would say to people who call him evil, he said: ``Every religion has fanatic people who believe that other religions are evil.''

He said he communicates with the extraterrestrials through telepathy once a year, and they tell him where to focus his missionary efforts. He said China is their next stop.

Vorilhon offers no proof of his alien encounters.

Likewise, Boisselier, who is Clonaid's head, has yet to offer hard evidence proving the birth of the world's first cloned baby, but has said that an independent journalist will have DNA test results within days.

The credibility of the pair has been called into question before their startling disclosure.

After scientists in Scotland produced a newborn sheep called Dolly from sheep cells in 1997, Vorilhon founded his company that is dedicated to cloning. Indeed, cloning plays a major part in the Raelian religion's belief that one day scientists will engineer an endless circle of human life.

Since its inception, Clonaid, originally registered in the Bahamas, has stirred up hope, outrage and scandal."

hmmmmm
 

Acorn

New member
Hmm, where did we stuff that BS flag at, he talks to extraterrestials...

Ah well I'll use a few of these :bunny: . They work.

Bunny: :bunny:

Clone of Bunny: :shaun:

Clone of Clone of Bunny: :alien:

Whatever.
 

AlphaWolf

I prey, not pray.
What he describes of the future doesn't sound impossible, and he does have a seemingly concrete perception of the other religions.

/me shrugs

Overall, he sounds like a scam though, making these claims without any proof. I've had similar "what if" thoughts about what the religions perceiving as a god was some sort of extraterrestrial, flying angels being alien (with the "halo" as their propulsion :D ), because people at that time couldn't understand the technological terms we understand today, purely hypothetical. But, assuming extraterrestrials even exist, if the alien he made contact with realy wanted to help him prove a point to everybody else, then he would have made contact abroad rather than at some remote volcano <_<. cucoo.
 

BTM

Polish Emu Scene Member
AlphaWolf said:
I've had similar "what if" thoughts about what the religions perceiving as a god was some sort of extraterrestrial, flying angels being alien (with the "halo" as their propulsion :D ), because people at that time couldn't understand the technological terms we understand today, purely hypothetical. But, assuming extraterrestrials even exist, if the alien he made contact with realy wanted to help him prove a point to everybody else, then he would have made contact abroad rather than at some remote volcano <_<. cucoo.


Played Xenogears ? :)
 

t0rek

Wilson's Friend
Quote:


Vorilhon, known as Rael to his followers, said that within 25 years, group scientists may develop technology to create a full-grown human clone in just hours and the mind of the cloned adult would receive instant knowledge via the ''uploading'' of information directly from the brain of another person.

''It's a very beautiful step, but it's just a step,'' Vorilhon, 56, said, alluding to the alleged cloning of ''Eve.'' ``The ultimate goal is to give eternal life to humanity through cloning. The next step that will be discovered soon is what we call accelerated growth process to accelerate cellular multiplication.

``So, instead of needing nine months, then 18 years to make an adult, with a special technology you can have an adult clone copy of yourself in a few hours. This adult copy is just a blank tape, empty of memory and personality, just what you call hardware.''


LOL it is exactly like an Arnold Schwarzenegger movie about clones, I just forgot the name of that movie <_<
 

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