So... what are we allowed to talk about these days?

[Stalkid64]

Honestly, I'm interested. Lately we've seen we're allowed no console/games/quality comparisons and debates, no gaming-related things that go slightly off topic, no discussion of future games or leaked demos, no political/DRM debates... or apparently any topic that hits over 4/5 pages. Anyone?

[Jesse]

stop whining.

[vampireuk]

The thread about the doom3 alpha was essentially bragging that you have a illegal version of something that is not even meant to be out yet. We dont want that here and we wont have it. When people can take part in a discussion about politics without having to insult each other then we shall have those back too. You can have a discussion about a future game but not a leaked alpha.

We have rules and they will be followed.

[Josep]

and we don't really want to draw unwanted attention to this board now do we?

thats what blizz said, i kinda agree with him

but what vampire said, um, how much did someone pay to get their own copy of doom3 the leaked version? um, nothing, is there even a retail price to it? no, some people have a leaked version of nemu 8.0, does that make it illegal? unless someone can find some legal mombo jumbo i don't see what its hurting, other than people's ethics...

i'm arguing about legalities, not what we can post on this board

[DuDe]

The fact that it doesn't have a price tag, doesn't make it warez friendly. If that alpha version of Doom3 was legal, id wouldn't have been bringing ftp's down all over the net.

[mesman00]

hey vamp, are you really a mod now?

[vampireuk]

Yup, I'm a mod now

[Stalkid64]

Funny, I asked the same question and it didn't go down too well. The is no "grey area" regarding emulation. It's illegal, full stop. Nintendo.com even have a page on their site stating their position on that. We "legalise" it to ourselves buy buying copies of the actual full game, but essentially it is illegal, and certainly more than the offending leaked demo. There's no loophole.

We can't "buy" the early copy of Doom 3 and after all, its a 6-month old, incomplete, buggy and hard to get demo - NOT a full version even. This is a 3 (incomplete) map DEMO.
id will lose zero money on it, get a huge chunk of free publicity (Not to mention coincidentally people will rush to upgrade their PC's before release - meaning more sales of the game - which will do manufacturers of GFX cards etc a lot of good), and apparently aren't the ones hitting sites after all. I could list around a half-dozen easy found sites which have it on their front page, free for all to see, freely asking for id to email them if they want it gone. So far, id haven't shown the slightest real concern to any of them and they've been around for a day or two at least. If the producers who are behind the game don't care (lets face it, they probably leaked it in the first place), why should we?
And incidentally, we weren't pointing the way for people to find it. Don't need to. We were talking FPS rates and config...
Legal is legal, illegal is illegal. The only difference with software is the harm it could cause. In the case of N64 ROM'z, we negate the harm by spending the money we do. In the case of an alpha-level demo, who gets harmed? Who loses money?
BUT - who gains potential sales and publicity for the final product, and in the end will profit from it?
I rest my case. Or something.

[vampireuk]

Someone in that thread pointed out a program to use to get hold of the alpha. It was decided that the thread was best removed, and the decision is final.

[2fast4u]

Originally posted by vampireuk
Someone in that thread pointed out a program to use to get hold of the alpha. It was decided that the thread was best removed, and the decision is final.

exactly. besides this alpha / demo (whatever) was NEVER meant to be available, no matter how it got leaked. now go figure, does that go thru your thick skull?