Gnome desktop I've used since about 2002 under linux. It worked great etc.
I had heard some misgivings and groanings about Gnome 3.
I believe I understand why people aren't all that thrilled with it. I moved to Gnome 3 because 'gentoo' comunity moved Gnome to that support as 'stable'
So I went through and did the emerge, I needed it for some software to work "no biggie" I thought.
Well it first killed a whole LOT of functionality from Gnome 2 yes it DOES LESS, it also seemed to wipe out all the desktop settings I did have (grrr) no biggie just readd them?
NO such fortune, they eliminated almost ALL access to bash or setting up your own automation links. Simply put, it sucks, it's frustrating and annoying. I removed my long rant by the way.
There are several VERY controversial changes. Gnome Shell is annoying, it appears to be written in Javascript, this suggests it has potentially all of the vulunerabilities of WINDOWS DESKTOP and WINDOWS AUTOMATION.
Why would someone use JAVASCRIPT, (in there right mind that is) for a native application on a system, JAVA kind of works but Javascript has well known (by hackers) issues and forms of attack, so I have numerous questions as why this is considered a good idea (or maybe the programmer only knows Javascript).
I would have used Python myself but more importantly, I'm not thrilled with anything using Javascript, it's one of the biggest problems with Firefox (if you didn't know). The WC3 has been debating the removal of key words and functionality from Javascript for the last 5 years because of these issues. The big problem for them being that breaks legacy code on the WEB.
Personally if it's NOT SAFE, don't use it, is my motto. However it seems a LOT of web programmers don't follow such things (see Google advertisers and misc hackers).
Ok ... so what else is broken, I have things that work simply because I could open nautilous and was able to find some old desktop automation links that I could force to work.
I had to basically REBUILD most of the automation, again NO direct access or method to RUN a shell made this a pain.
I forced a way to get shell access (it seems Gnome Shell 'lead' programmer doesn't like people having this) I'm a bit annoyed with them as a consequence.
Anyone have similiar experience?
Suggestions for a Gnome alternative?
It's annoying because I had been using GTK/GTK+ for developement for years but now much of everything Gnome has become frustrated with just a seriously screwed up change over.
This appears to be a Open Source crap out. Seriously it happened with Xfree86 people tried to twist it in certain ways and well as you can see XFree86 is mostly abandoned and X11 org took over. I think Gnome needs to have the same fix. Gnome probably needs split up into different projects in particular Gnome Shell is really annoying to deal with. It the 'messaging' and notices annoy the crap out of me (I do not need idiot messages thank you why are they on by default?)
Granted I can understand SOME of what they've done but the other stuff they are doing is similar to getting lost in death valley. Dangerous and going nowhere useful.
Cyb
I had heard some misgivings and groanings about Gnome 3.
I believe I understand why people aren't all that thrilled with it. I moved to Gnome 3 because 'gentoo' comunity moved Gnome to that support as 'stable'
So I went through and did the emerge, I needed it for some software to work "no biggie" I thought.
Well it first killed a whole LOT of functionality from Gnome 2 yes it DOES LESS, it also seemed to wipe out all the desktop settings I did have (grrr) no biggie just readd them?
NO such fortune, they eliminated almost ALL access to bash or setting up your own automation links. Simply put, it sucks, it's frustrating and annoying. I removed my long rant by the way.
There are several VERY controversial changes. Gnome Shell is annoying, it appears to be written in Javascript, this suggests it has potentially all of the vulunerabilities of WINDOWS DESKTOP and WINDOWS AUTOMATION.
Why would someone use JAVASCRIPT, (in there right mind that is) for a native application on a system, JAVA kind of works but Javascript has well known (by hackers) issues and forms of attack, so I have numerous questions as why this is considered a good idea (or maybe the programmer only knows Javascript).
I would have used Python myself but more importantly, I'm not thrilled with anything using Javascript, it's one of the biggest problems with Firefox (if you didn't know). The WC3 has been debating the removal of key words and functionality from Javascript for the last 5 years because of these issues. The big problem for them being that breaks legacy code on the WEB.
Personally if it's NOT SAFE, don't use it, is my motto. However it seems a LOT of web programmers don't follow such things (see Google advertisers and misc hackers).
Ok ... so what else is broken, I have things that work simply because I could open nautilous and was able to find some old desktop automation links that I could force to work.
I had to basically REBUILD most of the automation, again NO direct access or method to RUN a shell made this a pain.
I forced a way to get shell access (it seems Gnome Shell 'lead' programmer doesn't like people having this) I'm a bit annoyed with them as a consequence.
Anyone have similiar experience?
Suggestions for a Gnome alternative?
It's annoying because I had been using GTK/GTK+ for developement for years but now much of everything Gnome has become frustrated with just a seriously screwed up change over.
This appears to be a Open Source crap out. Seriously it happened with Xfree86 people tried to twist it in certain ways and well as you can see XFree86 is mostly abandoned and X11 org took over. I think Gnome needs to have the same fix. Gnome probably needs split up into different projects in particular Gnome Shell is really annoying to deal with. It the 'messaging' and notices annoy the crap out of me (I do not need idiot messages thank you why are they on by default?)
Granted I can understand SOME of what they've done but the other stuff they are doing is similar to getting lost in death valley. Dangerous and going nowhere useful.
Cyb
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