smoking rules

[zodiacjaen]

:devil: :cool: :D :innocent: :thumbsup: :inlove:
you know what? ive decided to continue smoking.
i REALLY RAELLY like it and have reached theconclusion that i dont give a fuck if my life is cut short a couple of years. just f**k it.

[oDD]

Sorry man but smoking sux. Your fingers and teeth go yellow after a while, people dont like being around you becaue you stink, you continually have to have smoko brakes and that couple of years may be 30-50 years in reality...

:crazy:

[Chibi Nick]

Originally posted by oDD
Sorry man but smoking sux. Your fingers and teeth go yellow after a while, people dont like being around you becaue you stink, you continually have to have smoko brakes and that couple of years may be 30-50 years in reality...

:crazy: yess smoking sucks big time...

not only that, but think of how much money it costs... I know my parents pay hundreds of dollars a month for their smokes..

but whatever floats your boat

[cooliscool]

Originally posted by zodiacjaen
:devil: :cool: :D :innocent: :thumbsup: :inlove:
you know what? ive decided to continue smoking.
i REALLY RAELLY like it and have reached theconclusion that i dont give a fuck if my life is cut short a couple of years. just fuck it.

Laughing My ASS OFF.

Your loss buddy. :thumbsup:

[Raging Fuel]

Smoking is definately a good thing. It helps filter out the idiots.

[Macca]

roflmfao - both true and funny :P

when it comes to smoking, i say, if you wanna do it, do it but stay the f**k away form me :)

[Harteex]

ewwww! smoking!

smoking sucks big time imo...

[AlphaWolf]

Originally posted by Raging Fuel
Smoking is definately a good thing. It helps filter out the idiots.

damn, and everybody flamed me for saying that.

Oh well, don't blame me, I voted for AZ prop 411 (increased cigarette tax by 60 cents per pack), and yes the proposition was passed into law.

My state can benefit from these idiots while they are at it.

[2fast4u]

pretty darn funny :) i dont give a flying f**k about ppl smoking .. doesnt bother me

[Remote]

The smell of smoke is a constant reminder of why I don't, smoke that it... There are far better substututes, if it's the nicotine you are after... If you live in Scandinavia we have a l33t thing called "snus", I think they have something similar in the states and Canada, Timberland? Plus, it's a known fact that fags are bad for you... :P

[Chibi Nick]

Originally posted by AlphaWolf
damn, and everybody flamed me for saying that.

Oh well, don't blame me, I voted for AZ prop 411 (increased cigarette tax by 60 cents per pack), and yes the proposition was passed into law.

My state can benefit from these idiots while they are at it. (I'm not american, but...) I really don't think they should do that... there are older people who are addicted and when they started, they weren't made aware of the fact that there would be harm in smoking, it was the cool thing to do and they thought it didn't have side effects... they shouldn't be made to pay more... they have a legit reason to be smoking... and some people just can't help their addiction... I know my mom tried to stop smoking a few times, but she just can't do it... and my parent's spend hundreds on smokes a month already...

And not only do they have to pay more, they get criticized by idiots (not refering to anyone here)... like in a London Drugs thing (dno if you have that store in the states) in the paper, they said that smokers make bad parents...

not all smokers are idiots... just the ones that know of the consequences before they start.

[AlphaWolf]

I have zero tolerance for the weak. Nobody is stopping anybody from quitting except for themselves. To me the thought of it even being an issue is totaly stupid. This 60 cents per pack should well cover the medical costs (and hopefuly some extra) incurred to our state by those who choose to smoke, or who choose to continue smoking.

(BTW, prop 411 was approved somewhere around 68-32, 1% margin of error)

[gokuss4]

dude its your loss, but imo you're really f**ked up if you want to start smoking again after you quit, that's a major problem :plain2:

[Eagle]

It just shows how stupid people are. The leading cause of cancer deaths is the easiest one to prevent. I mean cmon. Lung Cancer statistically kills more people than anything except Aids and Drunk Drivers. And its the easiest of the cancers to prevent, just stop f**kin smoking and you are for the most part safe. Its just astounding how Lung cancer kills more than brain stem cancer, breast cancer, and skin cancer combined. Ridiculous I tell you. Only complete morons wouldn't think so. And yet people still do it and are proud of it. Unbelievable!

[Gamer123]

Yeah dude, you want to know the most disgusting thing ever? There was this fine girl that I saw at a mall one time, and I thought she was hot and she thought the same thing about me. So I talked to her and before I had to go, she kissed me on the lips... and I swear smoker breath IS THE NASTIEST thing in the world. She told me to call her and I never did all because of her smoking habits.

Cigarettes have 300 harmful chemicals to your body. Yeah, you can laugh it off now by saying "I dont give a f**k about 5 years", but when its time for you to die at age 40 or however long it takes for that smoke to kill you, you're going to regret it. Especially when you die a slow painful death by suffucation or asphyxiation.

Think of it this way, smoking cigarettes is like committing suicide in slow motion. Everytime you take a puff or whatever you people wanna call it, the noose tightens around your neck some more, and then eventually you die.

Well, have fun smoking while you live. (it wont be that much longer)

[Doomulation]

Originally posted by Eagle
It just shows how stupid people are. The leading cause of cancer deaths is the easiest one to prevent. I mean cmon. Lung Cancer statistically kills more people than anything except Aids and Drunk Drivers. And its the easiest of the cancers to prevent, just stop f**kin smoking and you are for the most part safe. Its just astounding how Lung cancer kills more than brain stem cancer, breast cancer, and skin cancer combined. Ridiculous I tell you. Only complete morons wouldn't think so. And yet people still do it and are proud of it. Unbelievable!
...

World sucks, really...it's so sick i don't believe it...
Really, beginning after quitting smoking...the most stupid thing i've ever heard in my whole life.
:stupid:
Really dude, don't start; you'd be even a worse fool then you already are,

[sytaylor]

the most annoying thing is the false conviction displayed in effort to try and self convince the idea that "its only as bad as drinking or something"... lets face it theres no worse legal drug for you body by quite some way, if you know the facts about it and continue your just dumb or weak, there is no point in doing something SO VERY HARMFUL and being proud...

"Oh yeah but hamburgers can cause cancer"... check out eagles stats they speak for themselves, if people just grew up and realised that they ARE killing themselves instead of pushing it to the back of their mind for short term secuirty public places would be a lot more inhabiitable

ban smoking in public places and allow any child who objects to their parents smoking to be given free air filters by taxing the weak even more than they already are,

addictions that cause such great harm should be obvious reasons to try and save your life to stop smoking but people are so short sighted they always come back with "well give up caffine"... well for one that wouldn't be hard, and for another its not like caffine is tar, you know the stuff they make roads with? yeah thats what goes into these peoples lungs and they enjoy it?!

'scuse me while i go bash my head against a wall :plain2:

we're talking about your life here, your one shot! why would you want to cause long term problems?

[AlphaWolf]

If you'll take a look over nya...

http://archives.thedaily.washington.edu/1996/010296/smoke010295.html


-One-sixth, or 350,000, of all deaths in the U.S. are caused by smoking - more than deaths by alcohol, all illicit drugs, AIDS, guns, automobiles and air pollution combined.

Aint it cool? :devil:

You know though, that just reminded me of a previous argument I was having with Braveheart on IRC about gun control. I had to leave for school so I couldn't finnish it, but I had the opportunity later to look over the logs and see where it headed, and I noticed that he said:


<@Bravheart> well if it means that one less person was killed by taking away your shotgun, i would say that outweighs your personal pleasure

Now isn't it more important that we make the same argument about another subject? :happy:

(Revised Edition)

[Josep]

Originally posted by zodiacjaen
:devil: :cool: :D :innocent: :thumbsup: :inlove:
you know what? ive decided to continue smoking.
i REALLY RAELLY like it and have reached theconclusion that i dont give a fuck if my life is cut short a couple of years. just fuck it.

thats disgusting. can't believe people give up on life that quickly...

[Braveheart]

I would just like to add that I am not a smoker, nor have I ever smoked, nor did i tell Alphawolf that I did smoke - I just put up an argument *for* smoking once upon a time, never said i actually smoked .:colgate:. So in conclusion, I'm uber. Don't mess.

[Chibi Nick]

Yet you people don't really realize how much more you would be taxed to compensate for smokers if they stopped.

Just think about how much money the government makes on cigarettes when over half the price is already taxes... the government wants smokers that's why they don't really do anything to prevent it...


And you people who have never smoked have NO RIGHT... absolutely no right to call someone weak because they can't quit... you don't know how hard it is to break a 30 year old addiction do you? You can call it wrong if you want to, but I don't really think anyone should be called weak because of an addiction... some people have an addictive personality, some don't... it's not their fault...

I'm in no way trying to say it's alright to smoke... but no one needs to call smokers weak idiots, or any other bad names...

and as I said before, the older people who smoke, didn't know it was bad at the time they started... it was just recently (last 10-15 years?) percieved as harmful... and they were already addicted at that time...


You start smoking for 30 years then try to quit... if you can do it without problems then you have the right to call others who can't, weak... but if you don't... then don't say it..

[Eagle]

Originally posted by AlphaWolf
If you'll take a look over nya...

http://archives.thedaily.washington.edu/1996/010296/smoke010295.html



Aint it cool? :devil:

You know though, that just reminded me of a previous argument I was having with Braveheart (who is a smoker) on IRC about gun control. I had to leave for school so I couldn't finnish it, but I had the opportunity later to look over the logs and see where it headed, and I noticed that he said:



Now isn't it more important that we make the same argument about another subject? :happy:

heh, my stats are outdated it seems. Its been awhile since I last studied them (about 4 years) but it looks like its only gotten worse.

[Eagle]

Originally posted by Chibi Nick
Yet you people don't really realize how much more you would be taxed to compensate for smokers if they stopped.

Just think about how much money the government makes on cigarettes when over half the price is already taxes... the government wants smokers that's why they don't really do anything to prevent it...


And you people who have never smoked have NO RIGHT... absolutely no right to call someone weak because they can't quit... you don't know how hard it is to break a 30 year old addiction do you? You can call it wrong if you want to, but I don't really think anyone should be called weak because of an addiction... some people have an addictive personality, some don't... it's not their fault...

I'm in no way trying to say it's alright to smoke... but no one needs to call smokers weak idiots, or any other bad names...

and as I said before, the older people who smoke, didn't know it was bad at the time they started... it was just recently (last 10-15 years?) percieved as harmful... and they were already addicted at that time...


You start smoking for 30 years then try to quit... if you can do it without problems then you have the right to call others who can't, weak... but if you don't... then don't say it..

I've never smoked.
I'm not calling them weak becuase they cant quit, On the contratry, its quite difficult to break an addiction of any kind. I'm calling them weak becuase they dont try. There is plenty of help for quitting. Its possible to quit, and there is everything from patches and gum for the less addicted, to support groups for the more addicted. They are extremely effective, you just have to find out how addicted you actually are. The gum and patches are quite possible the best solutuion for any level really. You dont have to quit nicotine. You can use the gum or a patch for the rest of your life and still get as much nicotine as you would with ciggarettes and yet probably (this is a personal estimate and has no basis in fact) 1000 times less the amount of damage to your body. The true fact is, its the Tar that kills you, not the nicotine, but its the nicotine your addicted to so obviously when presented with the question Patch/Gum or Cigar/Cigarette, which would be more healthy? Well since the patch and gums dont have tar you should be able to see my point. Breaking an addiction is hard, but you dont even have to break the addiciton to quit smoking. And dont tell me thats too expensive. Taxes are rising on tobacco and its becomming more expensive than nicotine gum could ever be (not that Ive bought any but anyway).

As for the whole "it would damage the economy" kick. No it wouldnt not if you did it right. Bill Clinton, though some people think he did nothing right, knew exactly how to kill the problem. You raise taxes (on tobacco) slowly so it gets to the point people have to find a way to quit or end up paying a lot for tobacco products. Since this occurs gradually, tobacco industry will slowy phase out without damaging the economy and new things will come in and thus taxes will not raise, the economy stays the same and once its phased almost out, you are safe to outlaw it as an illegal drug or a perscription only drug for those needing gum and patches. Its that simple, but everyone wants to find a quick fix for ending itthat wouldnt damage the economy, and there isnt one

So as I've shown, there is no reason for you to keep smoking. There are many alternatives to it. And it is possible to eliminate it without hurting ourselves. The only thing I cant disagree with is Raging Fuels comment that it filters out the idiots.

[AlphaWolf]

Originally posted by Chibi Nick
Just think about how much money the government makes on cigarettes when over half the price is already taxes... the government wants smokers that's why they don't really do anything to prevent it...


This is a double edged sword. The IRS has grown reliant on smokers for a good deal of its income. However, a good portion of this money wouldn't need to be spent if the government didn't pump too damn much money into anti-smoking campaigns, which it very well does.



And you people who have never smoked have NO RIGHT... absolutely no right to call someone weak because they can't quit... you don't know how hard it is to break a 30 year old addiction do you?


I won't go into details (irrelavent), but I believe I have an idea.



You can call it wrong if you want to, but I don't really think anyone should be called weak because of an addiction... some people have an addictive personality, some don't... it's not their fault...

You start smoking for 30 years then try to quit... if you can do it without problems then you have the right to call others who can't, weak... but if you don't... then don't say it..

30 years? wait a minute, that means around the 60s right? Isn't that about the time that the surgeon general made the first official warning about cigarette smoke being hazardous to your health? Actualy wait no 30 years ago would be the 70s, about 10 years after the surgeon generals first warning. You know, 40 years is a pretty long time to gradualy quit smoking.

The general attitude with these people is simply this: "I don't give a f**k", which is fine, I say smoke all you want, just pay back the costs you will put on medicare when your lungs quit working.

Every time I see one of my uncles/cousins smoke, I always tell them to take that burning turd out of their mouth :P

You know, that also reminds me of this one guy I knew who was always dipping. He ended up getting cancer in his gums, had to have a huge chunk of his lower front left jaw removed, then guess what he did after the surgery? He started dipping on the right side instead. That just shows you how dumb these people are.

[Gamer123]

And you people who have never smoked have NO RIGHT... absolutely no right to call someone weak because they can't quit... you don't know how hard it is to break a 30 year old addiction do you? You can call it wrong if you want to, but I don't really think anyone should be called weak because of an addiction... some people have an addictive personality, some don't... it's not their fault...

We not saying he's weak for becoming addicted to cigarettes. We're saying he's stupid to start smoking in the first place. Ever hear that quote about cigarettes? "Best tip: dont start"


Just think about how much money the government makes on cigarettes when over half the price is already taxes... the government wants smokers that's why they don't really do anything to prevent it...

Yeah, that tax is called a regulatory tax. And you know what, they end up spending a lot of that money on paying for people who smoke with medicaid and medicare, and lawsuits. So the money they spend on medicaid/medicare on smokers, could be going to a poor family who doesnt smoke or a senior citizen who needs drugs to stay alive but instead it goes to people who are stupid enough to smoke in the first place thinking "I dont give a f**k if I smoke or not, it doesnt hurt anybody"




and as I said before, the older people who smoke, didn't know it was bad at the time they started... it was just recently (last 10-15 years?) percieved as harmful... and they were already addicted at that time...

Ok, but in this case this person is well aware of the hazards of smoking and yet he's smoking anyways. We're trying to tell him how wrong he is by sayings its ok to start smoking again.

[sytaylor]

to be addicted is weak
to stay addicted is weaker
to have been addicted for a long time is an unfortunate circumstance of weakness

[Josep]

Originally posted by sytaylor
to be addicted is weak
to stay addicted is weaker
to have been addicted for a long time is an unfortunate circumstance of weakness

i agree very much;)

[Josep]

Originally posted by Chibi Nick
Yet you people don't really realize how much more you would be taxed to compensate for smokers if they stopped.


thats disgusting, and terribly misguided...

people that can't quit smoking aren't idiots, or freaks, or losers, but they are weak because it is possible to quit, i know pleanty of people that have quit, over many amounts of years too. Although my accounts for how many people have quitted should really not suffice, I find it true though;) not aliens, not wierdos, weak...

[AlphaWolf]

damn, I figured hell would have frozen over before anybody here agreed with a single comment I have said :P

[Smiff]

has anyone discussed the possible benefits of smoking?

Smoking can be useful in social situations. The paraphenalia around rolling a tube is a ritual that helps people bond... i've observed this on many occasions. Gives you something to hold, fills in awkward silences in conversation, looks good (done right). Might even help you find a mate.

Just beware addiction. Smaller downside is you have to use stronger and stronger aftershave etc. to hide the smell of smoke. I regret not smoking during my teen years.

[Smiff]

Do i forfeit the "Community Leadership Award" i just noticed i have :D lol. I'm not saying "smoking is cool". i'm saying "lots of cool [and intelligent] people smoke". just lighting up won't stop you being a dork.

[Eagle]

Originally posted by Smiff
has anyone discussed the possible benefits of smoking?

Smoking can be useful in social situations. The paraphenalia around rolling a tube is a ritual that helps people bond... i've observed this on many occasions. Gives you something to hold, fills in awkward silences in conversation, looks good (done right). Might even help you find a mate.

Just beware addiction. Smaller downside is you have to use stronger and stronger aftershave etc. to hide the smell of smoke. I regret not smoking during my teen years.

Who the f**k cares if I'm gonna die cause of this cigarette, but hey, I look good while rolling it, and better yet, I'm bonding and that girl over there digs it.

[Eagle]

No offense Smiff, I respect your opinion, but it really just sounded ridiculous.

[Josep]

Originally posted by Eagle
No offense Smiff, I respect your opinion, but it really just sounded ridiculous.

omg, i just wrote a long ass reply and some how it f**ked up, anyway, that point of view surprises me coming from you smiff, i understand what you mean, but i still think its ludacris to think smoking is a way of "Good" social interaction...

[vampireuk]

Lets just sum up, its a personal choice and as long as people dont force it upon you there is no need to complain. I occasionally smoke....I think the word occasionally is a injustice. I smoke perhaps once maybe twice a month and I always go somewhere else to do it so people dont have to breathe my smoke. I object to those who say smoking is for the weak. Getting addicted may show a lack of character but what about us who are not addicted and just smoke everynow and again, we are in no way weak.:)

edit: I have edited the posts with swearing and subsituted a few letters with **. Since we now have a warning for swearing I think its best that we edge it out :cool:

[DuDe]

Originally posted by AlphaWolf
damn, I figured hell would have frozen over before anybody here agreed with a single comment I have said :P

Damn, I did notice a major drop in the temperatures lately :)

[Lachp30]

I don't really like the idea of smoking myself, but I respect that fact that some people like it. Also, isn't it funny that the guy who started this thread hasn't had anything else to say. Bit of a pointless thread if you ask me..

[internalised]

Smoking killed three of my grandparents and is working on the 4th so lets just say it's not something I'm particularly fond of, especially growing up with parents who both smoke... and on the occasions when they try to give up, they get such bad withdrawal that they scream at each other :(

[t0rek]

No comments, zodiacjaen is just stupid and he's ashaming my country

[vampireuk]

Originally posted by bestlegion
No comments, zodiacjaen is just stupid and he's ashaming my country

good god, he made a choice to smoke how in the blue smeg can he be shaming you country?!

[2fast4u]

Originally posted by vampireuk
good god, he made a choice to smoke how in the blue smeg can he be shaming you country?!

lol i blame all the smokers for making my planet look bad! what will the aliens say? :D :P

EDIT: nevermind, they prolly smoke crack

[vampireuk]

Originally posted by 2fast4u

EDIT: nevermind, they prolly smoke crack

Well if they come here looking for intelligent life they must:D

[t0rek]

Originally posted by vampireuk
good god, he made a choice to smoke how in the blue smeg can he be shaming you country?!
How? being so stupid, smoking again and be proud of it posting here

[vampireuk]

ffs its his choice, the UN is not suddenly going to turn around and slap some sanctions on your country because someone wants to smoke. Please for the love of my sanity grow up.

[Josep]

Originally posted by vampireuk
ffs its his choice, the UN is not suddenly going to turn around and slap some sanctions on your country because someone wants to smoke. Please for the love of my sanity grow up.

hehe, yes, i agree, there is no way in hell one person can shame a country for smoking. If something that common(smoking) could dictate a country, then places like Mcdonald's would own the whole freak'n world;) Then again, as discussed already i think, smoking does easily dictate economies, rakes in a shit-load of money, very sad:(:plain:

[Eagle]

But it doesnt have to is the think. Marijuana raked in tons of cash for the governements before they realized it was dangerous and outlawed it.

[B*A*G*G]

Originally posted by Eagle
But it doesnt have to is the think. Marijuana raked in tons of cash for the governements before they realized it was dangerous and outlawed it.
its not dangerous, they only outlawed it to make more money.

[zodiacjaen]

i only posted a reply, I didnt know it was a new forum...
oh well... as long as the conversation is kept intelligent...

[zodiacjaen]

what the hell? not once did i say something against non-smokers and then a couple of the people in this thread start calling me an idiot! what is wrong with you people?
also, if i am going to die because of smoking then, fine, i dont care. if god wants me to die at 56 then i will die at 56 wether i quit smoking now or not. what i mean by that is that if i quit smoking now, and i was supposed to die at 56 of lung cancer or something painful and slow like that, when i am 56 i will get hit by a car or i will get shot and die a slow painful death, because that was what was going to happen in the first place and you cant change it.

[Ryoga]

Like someone famous once said,
"Don't take life too seriously, you'll never get out of it alive."

[vampireuk]

A freakin men to that, who gives a damn as long as you have fun?

[2fast4u]

like the attitude folks ;)

[2fast4u]

Originally posted by zodiacjaen
what the hell? not once did i say something against non-smokers and then a couple of the people in this thread start calling me an idiot! what is wrong with you people?
also, if i am going to die because of smoking then, fine, i dont care. if god wants me to die at 56 then i will die at 56 wether i quit smoking now or not. what i mean by that is that if i quit smoking now, and i was supposed to die at 56 of lung cancer or something painful and slow like that, when i am 56 i will get hit by a car or i will get shot and die a slow painful death, because that was what was going to happen in the first place and you cant change it.

i aint saying anything on your attitude aboiut fate and shit even tho i dont share your opinion. however smoking also dangers other peeps, not only u.

[sytaylor]

Originally posted by 2fast4u
i aint saying anything on your attitude aboiut fate and shit even tho i dont share your opinion. however smoking also dangers other peeps, not only u.

exactly

[zodiacjaen]

well actually almost all of my friends smoke(and no, i didnt start smoking because of peer pressure, that is just stupid) and the ones who dont, either drink or smoke pot (wich i dont) so they are already fucking themselves up anyway and in a really bad way.

what i think is that if there is a person who doesnt
like my smoking and politely asks me to put it out, i will gladly do that.

[AlphaWolf]

Originally posted by zodiacjaen
what the hell? not once did i say something against non-smokers and then a couple of the people in this thread start calling me an idiot! what is wrong with you people?
also, if i am going to die because of smoking then, fine, i dont care. if god wants me to die at 56 then i will die at 56 wether i quit smoking now or not. what i mean by that is that if i quit smoking now, and i was supposed to die at 56 of lung cancer or something painful and slow like that, when i am 56 i will get hit by a car or i will get shot and die a slow painful death, because that was what was going to happen in the first place and you cant change it.

So does that mean if one puts a 45 caliber bullet in his head 10 minutes from now, that god wanted him to die 10 minutes from now? It wasn't his choice at all?

Like that one? Try this:

Can jesus microwave a burrito thats so hot, that he himself could not eat it?

meh...yeah this is a stereotypical comment, but IMO religious people don't think ???

[RatTrap]

pfffft.. easy answer..

Jesus can eat anything.. geez.. don't they teach anything in school over there? :satisfied ..

[zodiacjaen]

1. I am not religious. you can change the word "god" in my explanation for vishnu or satan or whatever you believe in.

2. yes I do think that if you were to put a gun to my head and kill me 10 minutes from now, it will happen and ther is no other way around it. you may ask why i believe in that, well it gives total freedom to do whatever the hell i want to do without having to worry about the consecuences, it would have ended up like that anyway.:)

3. I think jesus could probably eat whatever he wanted to... he IS dead though...

[AlphaWolf]

so that means jesus can't microwave a burrito that hot ;)

But your missing the point entirely, you CAN change it, somebody can decide whether or not they commit suicide. Very wreckless way of living nonetheless. I can't see how anybody would picture that as a good idea.

[jvolel]

Originally posted by zodiacjaen
:devil: :cool: :D :innocent: :thumbsup: :inlove:
you know what? ive decided to continue smoking.
i REALLY RAELLY like it and have reached theconclusion that i dont give a fuck if my life is cut short a couple of years. just f**k it.

since your gonna die soon can i have one of your game systems?

[vampireuk]

well I think he has more than 10 seconds to live;)

[gokuss4]

Originally posted by AlphaWolf
meh...yeah this is a stereotypical comment, but IMO religious people don't think ???

Im a christian and i do think. I believe that we humans can control our own destiny. We don't have to die at a certain age, besides when we do die of old age. I do believe that God made us have a purpose from the time we were in our mothers womb, but I also believe that we can control our own purpose and our own destiny.

I mean im against Z man to smoke, but he can do whatever he wants. I simply believe he's just really REALLY stupid for starting to smoke after quitting. The damn tobacco comany lies about everything in their smoke. They knew that nicotine was addictive since 1963, but they lied about it until like 1994 (truth commercials, gotta love them).

My point is Zodiacjaen is go ahead and smoke all you want, but you can live longer if you just don't smoke. Period! you don't have to take my word for it, but if I were you... i would :plain2:

[sytaylor]

anyone reminded of dogma when george carlin is playing a minister and chris rock accuses the church of being like the tabacco industry and he says "if only we had their numbers" hehe

[zodiacjaen]

who ever said I quit?