0.8.3 removed

[schibo]

I've removed 0.8.3 from the 1964 website. Too many new problems unfortunately went undetected until after release.

- 98 crash if more than 21 roms in the rom browser.
- Slowdown still not fixed.
- Freezes after a while.
- Cannot view in windowed mode.

We do not have the time to fix these problems right now, but rest assured they will be fixed. Please use 0.7.3. Sorry to ruin your weekend. Let the flaming begin.

[Slougi]

No flaming yet. This is a good sign, right? :)

[Keith]

Nahh please don't flame, stuff happens and it is great that you know about the issues and are willing to try and fix them. Better to take the link down then have to deal with more users contacting you about similar issues you already know about. Good luck in fixing the problems schibo!

[Braveheart]

Meh... don't worry about it - you can look forward to bringing down our server again with the release of 0.8.3.1337 :)

In the mean time, anyone care to tell me what an emulator is?

[Martin]

Don't be too hard on yourself schibo, it worked great for me at least. :)

[Duncan]

True Martin, theres been conflicting reports of it running flawless for some and others have problems :(

[Trotterwatch]

It worked great for me as well (on XP).

[Martin]

Also, schibo: We've got 1964 v0.8.3 and patch available for download at Emu64 still. If you want me to remove it just let me know. :)

[schibo]

Ya I think they have to go too :(

The problem with this version is thread synchronization. Give it enough time, and the emulator will slow down or freeze altogether. Worse still is the tons of Windows98 users I imagine with imprints of their keyboards on their foreheads.

[Martin]

Okay, removing them. :)

Sorry to hear the bad news though. :(

[MonolithTyriss]

No worries there. I've been a programmer for some time. I know what it's like to discover bugs in a program, especially ones that aren't obvious as to where they are or what's causing them. Hats off to you guys tho.. I know of some other authors that would have closed their doors after this kind of occurance.. I wish you guys good luck!

[sk8bloke22]

yeh, good move, i didnt have many issues at all, but the emu did freeze after playing a few roms (not always). still the emu felt very complete, and games were running MUCH better, obviously the biggest release for a while. no prob making it more stable, i mean if someone has a problem with that they are weird...

[Gummy bear]

Makes sense removing it. So I assume you'll release 0.8.3 again when it's bug free?

[crhylove]

i for one am an avid user and have over 300 roms. plus i'm windows 98 on several machines. i don't really understand everyone's move to xp. other than the transparency and stability, it is bloatware imho. anything that bogs down an athlon gets chucked in my lab.

i'm still messing with 8.3c as of right now. yeah, it's not stable. you guys know that already though. it is the most feature rich/compatible/best gameplay emu ever put out yet though, so i don't really see REMOVING it. but of course it's all your call.

i will continue reporting what issues i have with 8.3c in case it helps you with the next release. if not though, shut me down.

rhy

ps. i'll try to avoid duplicating data you already have on 8.3c, so don't expect "the rom browser still doesn't work" over and over, or something stupid like that.

[sk8bloke22]

well, i hav an athlon and everything runs WAY smoother on XP, even gaming now that drivers hav got better support for it. u just need 256 + ram, then all is good.

[crhylove]

and a geforce 3 ti 200. :) so everything runs great on this thing. plus i don't have win xp bogging me down.... i wish winex was further along though.....

rhy

[Trotterwatch]

WinXP is sooooo much faster for me on:

Athlon 900
GF3 Ti200
384 ram etc

It also boots up and shuts down much faster, and doesn't crash :-) All it takes is removing any un-needed services which can bloat the system a little.

[crhylove]

/me thinks about winxp.....

i'll have to go find an iso....

rhy

[DeadRabbit]

Hi guys,

One small piece of advice.

If you are considering XP (I'm running it and it's great). Only do a fresh install and NOT an upgrade. A lot of problems seem to occur for people who upgrade from 98.

As for the flaming,

I think until I can provide a better emulator than the great piece of work you've provided FOR FREE I'll be keeping my brain engaged and my mouth shut, if that's ok with you Schibo :)

Good luck on the bug fixes guys :)

[flow``]

schibo: last i checked, you still had the 1964 0.8.3 source available..

just thought you'd like to know in case you want to remove it

[The Khan Artist]

Whew, just got the source...

And I have like 50 ROMs, under Win98, with no crashes.

Sorry you're having such major problems.

[WorZel]

I have only been using 1964 for a couple of weeks. I started out on UltraHLE a couple of years ago and then moved on to NEMU recently. I then had a shot at Project64 (which my system failed to initialise) before trying 1964.
IMO, 1964 v0.7.3 is hands down the best emulator there is, no doubt. Runs sweet on my Dell Inspiron 8100 1GHz + Radeon7500 Mobile, plays all my favourite games, no complaints at all. I feel priviledged to even be able to use 0.7.3, so if 0.8.3 had some probs who's complaining? And the beauty of it is, I know that Schibo and Co. are still beavering away, it's great to see! Thanks guys for all your great work.

[crhylove]

since i "discovered" 1964, my emu habit has been fixed, and i've upgraded equipment SOLELY to play more n64 games on my machine. since then i've aquired every rom and downloaded every emu and plugin for testing. no doubt about it. 1964 is the best/fastest. though some games are better in pj, overall 1964 has em beat, and will probably eventually be the first to play many currently unemulated games.

i'm still "testing" .8.3 just on the off chance that this is already the case. :)

rhy

[EddyB43]

Well, if you held out from XP this long, I don't see why you shouldn't get 2K. XP isn't much different from that, except it has the resource hogging GUI (disabling it is possible, but then it looks no different than 2K really), and 2K should run games faster than XP due to it's lower requirements anyway. Also, no silly authentication problems if you actually dare to modify your machine ;)

[Doomulation]

Originally posted by EddyB43
Well, if you held out from XP this long, I don't see why you shouldn't get 2K. XP isn't much different from that, except it has the resource hogging GUI (disabling it is possible, but then it looks no different than 2K really), and 2K should run games faster than XP due to it's lower requirements anyway. Also, no silly authentication problems if you actually dare to modify your machine ;)
W2k wasn't really designed for games, and some games have problems with 2k I think. But other than that--I think there's no real diffrence between the two OS, except that XP is very buggy and annoying for most advanced sers.

[Slougi]

Originally posted by Doomulation
except that XP is very buggy and annoying for most advanced sers.
Buggy? Annoying? :!!!:
Not really, I haven't had any trouble with it yet.

[pj64er]

ya, i havent had trouble with it yet either.

me and slougi not advanced enough for ya?

[Doomulation]

Buggy:
Example:

1) Try to run the configure network guide twice. It will fail the second time and will mess upp all settings.

2) XP can access all the computers in the network, but the others can't access the one with XP. It wants password or says that you don't have the authority to access it, even though neither of them are true.


Annoying, that is.

And "not for advanced":
Check the search for example. You may select stuff of which to search for, like all files, music files, etc... unless you specify for "advanced mode". It does not have all the advanced features the search in 98 had, either. And it takes long to load, even on a fast computer.

[Lillymon]

I work at Zophar's Domain and put up 0.8.3/0.8.3a/0.8.3c. Should I remove these? Or just put 0.7.2/0.7.3 as an option?

[Slougi]

Originally posted by schibo
Ya I think they have to go too :(
I believe this is true for ZD as well.

[Smiff]

i'm going to sound like a right dick here, but you can't do a recall on the Net, it doesn't work. I suggest simply removing from homepage (the most important and only "official" place after all) and issuing a statement saying (if you haven't already) "version [x] removed because of problem [y], we aren't happy with the quality of that release. Suggest users revert to previous version [z]. We will not be offering any support for version [x]" and leave it at that.

[Smiff]

btw, i'm happy to remove from my site, i just think that it's not helpful as it just sends people to "dodgier" sites.. you might as well keep the file available so people can see for themselves what's wrong if they're really curious.

[jvolel]

ahhh you smart son of a bi*** how could you realease something like that and notice the problems with it then wisely remove it and fix all the bugs, instead of just leaving it and let people deal with it till the next realease you ba***** nah am just pulling ya leg smart move ;-)

[Flash]

So, why Jabo's D3D 1.4 still not removed ? It have nasty bug: on some system configuration it causes computer (not only emu) to hang, even famous three button combo doesn't help, only reset.
And all depends on martian weather... :)

0.8.3 works well for me, with disabled rom browser. Many games works much better.

[Smiff]

schibo, don't take it hard ok, what you've done shows that you care about it, which is more important than a particular release.

[Eddy]

god dammit flash, ff viii is wack!

[Eagle]

Any flaming I see will be removed. People should respect the author's decision as the best for everybody's intrests.

Windows XP has much better memory management which allows it to work so much better, not to mention it boots up faster than any other OS available. If I could get my old scanner to work on it I'd go back to it. But don't download an ISO. The un-patched version is extremely hackable, and if you update with Windows Update, MS has just implemented a function that will disable known illegal hacks.

Eddy, FFVIII is an awesome game, I should bitchslap you for making such a comment :P Of course its a very complicated game and those with simple minds just don't understand ;) lol.

EDIT: I was just teasing btw eddy.

[flow``]

not to mention it boots up faster than any other OS available.

i remember winME had a damn fast boot up time.. most users had to use it quite often too

[Duncan]

Not a bad suggestion, and true it might even have some advantages, but it was Schibo's decision and its human nature to want to correct something, and feel bad about something like this. By some of the posts out here, it looks like i wasnt the only one who didnt have alot of probs with it, but the ones who did were mostly 98 users :(

Just means the next version will be a charm :)

[crhylove]

yeah, i gotta agree with smiff here, removing a release will not eliminate it online. and it will allow people to d/l it with improper documentation. (i.e. DON'T USE THIS, USE 7.3) or some such. but this doesn't mean that i don't still FULLY have my face planted in the rice/schibo collective posterior. THEY RULE. so this IS'NT A FLAME! just a bit of logical deduction, which you can ignore completely if you want, hell i ignore our enitire government at the moment, cause i get physically ill if i do anything else.

i'm gonna try out xp. i have a friend mailin' me the disk soon. at that point i'm going to hack into the MS server and shut the whole thing down, just out of spite. ah, maybe not, not worth the effort....

oh, and my advice on win me..... DON'T PUT IT ANY WHERE NEAR YOUR CDROM DRIVE!!!

still :inlove: with :1964:
rhy

[LD.]

Originally posted by Eagle
XP ... boots up faster than any other OS available.

Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows 98 SE and Mandrake 7 boot up A LOT faster than Windows XP does on my machine. Methinks I need even more RAM :(

[sk8bloke22]

u need AT LEAST 256 sdram, i had previously 128, and it was much much much slower. then i added 64, things got considerably better, but after adding another 64, it is much faster. 256 is XP's sweet spot.

[pj64er]

Originally posted by Eagle
Any flaming I see will be removed.

Eagle, he (literally) asked for it! :devil:


Originally posted by schibo
Sorry to ruin your weekend. Let the flaming begin.


and btw, it did not ruin my weekend. it didnt correct a few things that it was supposed to (flashin' bar), but i think i could tell that the timing was better (PD seems perfect @ CF3 for me, PERFECT:colgate: ). I guess i fell perfectly in your targeted audience (winxp + capable system). imho, 8.3(a)(c) was not a bad release at all.

[crhylove]

my only question is: "is there such thing as a bad release?". and hence my only flame is: "why bother removing it?". seriously though, it should be readily apparent to anyone who played with .8.3(a-c) that 1964 is THE state of the art in n64 emulation, so what kind of flaming can there be?

rhy

[aprentice]

Damn you schibo how could you make such a good emu! Why did you do such a damn good move on removing the emu. Damn you on your good job!


:happy:

[Bloodwych]

I have 1964 0.83c and I haven't had any of the aforementioned trouble. Jabo's plugin-in works fine in a window, the rom browser doesn't crash with 21+ roms, and I don't think there are any slowdown/freeze problems, although I can't be sure.

Is the problem with Win98 only?

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My Specs: WinMe, AMD Athlon 900Mhz, GeoForce2 MX, SoundBlaster Live (Value).

[schibo]

The rom browser problem appears to have been a 98 problem only. The other problems are for all operating systems.

[Martin]

Woah...Gabby is a meanie :D

[pj64er]

is that really Gabby?

what do you do with ur cats?!?

[Dave2001]

Mmmmmm.... i just want to notify you that you missed a link on the 1964 page. The "Source" button at the top of the main page still points to the 0.8.3 source. ???

[schibo]

Haha, the "Tabby" pic I actually found online. The black cat, "Gabby", is my friend's cat. The black cat's real name is Isaac and he's yawning in the pic. Still looks funny as hell I think. :)

Dave: yah thanks. we'll probably just leave the code there for now.

[darkgoku]

about apollo how can i play the game without azimer opengl v0.03 wireframe

[zorbid]

Back to 1964 0.8.3c

The emu doesn't add automatically .sav after the save states. If you don't do it by yourself, you have to ask "show all files" in the load window. And in the save window, the button to confirm that you want to save says "Open". Comfusing...

Why did you remove the possibility to change cf on the fly? It was usefull in DK64...

[Gamer123]

Everytime I save in Zelda Ocarina of Time in 8c, I restart the rom and my save file gets messed up. Like I end up at some place that just shows a black screen, and is ahead of where I was at before.

[Lillymon]

Isn't 0.8.3/0.8.3a/0.8.3c (take your pick) supposed to be completely unsupported?

[zorbid]

They are. I just wanted to mention the load/save windows issue, because, provided that they probably use it as the basis for the next version, the same (stupid) problems could be found in it too.

[HigherHeat]

Da*n this! Although I have Win98, I STILL want to try
0.8.3! 1964 is the most compatible N64 emu EVER!(Even more than PJ64 because it runs QBC98 and 99)
Also has more consistent speed(I ALWAYS get 63 FPS)

I want it, Want It, WANT IT!
Gimme Gimme! Got to have it.
I wont leave until I get it.
Email it to me in a zip!
Ecornerback@aol.com
Do it NOW or ELSE!

[CpU MasteR]

Originally posted by HigherHeat


Do it NOW or ELSE!

Or Else What?
What Happend to the Word Please? :(

[Doomulation]

Originally posted by HigherHeat
I want it, Want It, WANT IT!
Gimme Gimme! Got to have it.
I wont leave until I get it.
Email it to me in a zip!
Ecornerback@aol.com
Do it NOW or ELSE! [/B]
Would you plz stop posting your crap on the board?

[schibo]

CTRL+1-8 keys change CF on the fly.

[HigherHeat]

Originally posted by Doomulation

Would you plz stop posting your crap on the board?

Hey, lighten up, it's only a joke:cool: . Just trying to
express my view on the best N64 emulator, 1964.:colgate: