Pim Fortuyn is Dead (DO YOU KNOW HIM?)

[Falcon4ever]

Hi,

6 may 2002 @ 18.00 local time (in the Netherlands) a dutch politician,
Pim Fortuyn was murderd. Did you saw the news on CNN?

???

> A few weeks ago in germany there was a student who killed his teachers e.o. now the Netherlands has a gun excident.

Do you think guns/weapons should be forbidden?
(it's forbidden in the Netherlands but you can get one from belgium, germany...)

:(

[Martin]

Yeah, I've heard a lot about it on Swedish television and read about it in the news papers. :(

[2fast4u]

Originally posted by (NL)Falcon4ever
Hi,

6 may 2002 @ 18.00 local time (in the Netherlands) a dutch politician,
Pim Fortuyn was murderd. Did you saw the news on CNN?


yep, i know him. he was a fascist and racist. im sorry, but i have no compassion left.

** EDIT: yes i know that sounds horrible since someone died. still, this is how i feel about this guy.

[sk8bloke22]

well usually i would agree with 2fast4u here. but looking at the tv, the netherlands seems to be one of those rare examples of where democracy has worked. ppl there seem very laid back compared to other parts of the world, and even some muslim's showed sympathy for the assasination. i think thats quite a powerful thing, and i can see how ppl r upset about this. its more of the fact that the act of murder has become associated with political unrest, when previously such matters were resolved peacefully through discussion. in that sense, its a great shame.

[Tri-Force]

usually I would Disagree with 2fast4u here but racisim is absoultely not tolerated by this black man. it's sad to see someone murdered whoever it might be but i cant find myself feeling sorry for a man that hated people simply becasue of their color. oh and i never heard of the guy

[DuDe]

Heh, the guy was a homosexual, which makes it all too interesting... A homosexual racist. Well, he was supposed to be the next prime minister as polls show, so this murder is a crime against democracy.

EDIT : in the words of Winston Churchill : "Democracy is not the best way, it`s just the least worse one".

[Brokic]

Dude you say that is a crime against democracy but this guy was a fascist and a racist, so this guy was all but democratic.

[DuDe]

Doesn`t matter. People wanted to elect him, and that`s their democratic right. The majority of the people in the Netherlands, as a matter of fact. Killing him is nothing but denying their right of free elections.

[Deathbird]

omg, ppl who are not from the netherlands!!
PIM WAS the guy who at least have the balls to say his own meaning, and he was right. look around on the streets in NL. if you walk trhu town on a saturdaynight with your g/f or even friends, and you walk pass some "black dudes" it's about 90% that they wanna fight, so they say something mean, and they hope you turn around. don't say it isn't true. cause i've got beaten twice by such ppl. been robbed by such ppl. i guess he is right. for the ppl who didn't like him, you can't say: i don't feel sorry. LOOK WHAT"S HAPPENING!!! you can't even say what you want to say. is this democracy???????
well, got nothing more to say.
gr33tz.

ps. i wasn't going to vote on him but still...

[Brokic]

So you elect a fascist and all the problems are gone. Racism is never a solution. Who says that a "white dude" wont do the same thing as those "black dudes" did to you if they were in the same situation??

[Deathbird]

well i never see "white ppl" hanging on the corner on the street waiting for u.

[Brokic]

Maybe its because people like you are not giving them the same oportunities. This is not about the color of the skin, there could also been white, yellow or green.

[Deathbird]

green would be a good color :D. but the problem is, i "like" every color of the world, but it's just the bad one's that ruins it for all the other of there race.

[Falcon4ever]

A few correction:

Pim wasn't a racist, he only wanted to stop the immigration from illegal people.

[Tri-Force]

Listen Deathbird. I'm a black man living in America so I find a LOT wrong with what you just said. and before anyone gets me wrong i am a far cry from a militant black man who is still upset over slavery and want's revenge.
First of all there is a reason people act the way they do. now i dont exactly know the issue with Racsim in your country but i do know that on April 29 in Los Angelas CA USA there was a huge riot because four "white dudes" Cops beat a black man and got away with it. but this was only the end of the fuse. Blacks in LA felt that the police were targeting them unfairly and a lot of innocent people were killed and their murderers wer let of with only a slap on the wrist because all they had to do was calim fear of black people hurting them. Everyone who was not black was a target in the riot. and the police couldn't do anything to stop it becasue the blacks were mad as hell and wern't going to take it anymore and there were way more angry poeple than bullets and police.
now I say to myself. . . "was this right?" and the answer is no. there are much more civil ways to take care of this issue. but then i say "was this Justified?" and to that I cant say no. because i fully understand why it happened. but a lot of innocent white dudes were killed and hurt and in at least 1 case it was the "black dudes" who helped them. so in the middle of a reacially fueled war on the streets of LA we saw people who were able to see not color but people.
now like i said before, i have no idea what is hapening over there but im sure you do. and you have to ask yourself if there is a riot will it be justifyed. if the answer is yes then something needs to change.

[sk8bloke22]

Originally posted by Deathbird
omg, ppl who are not from the netherlands!!
PIM WAS the guy who at least have the balls to say his own meaning, and he was right. look around on the streets in NL. if you walk trhu town on a saturdaynight with your g/f or even friends, and you walk pass some "black dudes" it's about 90% that they wanna fight, so they say something mean, and they hope you turn around. don't say it isn't true. cause i've got beaten twice by such ppl. been robbed by such ppl. i guess he is right. for the ppl who didn't like him, you can't say: i don't feel sorry. LOOK WHAT"S HAPPENING!!! you can't even say what you want to say. is this democracy???????
well, got nothing more to say.
gr33tz.

ps. i wasn't going to vote on him but still...

riiight...so getting rid of all black ppl will solve such problems, just as getting rid of jews in nazi germany would hav solved all hitlers problems and just as getting rid of the palastinians would solve israel's problems. people have to look at why those in the black community in the netherlands who u are accusing are forced/influenced to commit crimes. u need to sort out the social problems which are rooted deep into a society, not simply exclude a ppl who seem to be the problem. and u might as well forget the term 'democracy' altogether it has no concrete definition. a fascist dictator could claim he's democratic as everything he does is in the name of the people, bla, bla. and in the UK, when i was younger, most of my friends feared black people, as they were often mugged by them. but when u get older u realise the ppl who were starting with u, were most often lower-class, poor black immigrants who've been placed in shit housing, in shit areas, living off benefits. if i was brought up in that lifestyle, black or not, i would probably be a dick. of course, this is a small minority of black ppl, im friends with ppl of all different races, colours, and i know that not every person is the same. not every black person is the same, not every white person is the same, or chinese person, etc. we've already seen the reasonably near success of Le Pen in France, it would be a tragedy for that to hav happened in the peaceful Netherlands.

[Falcon4ever]

Something for Deathbird,

What you said about the Netherlands isn't true. You shouldn't blame the "Black" people (in holland most are from Turkey, Morocco, Suriname). The real problem here is that nobody has respect for each other.

Btw Mostly the white DUMB low-education people say that the black people are stealling jobs, taking over our country bla bla and that kinda shit
(Because there are a lot of jobs avaible for high-edu students)

For example, if you watch to the dutch hooligans at football matches most of those aren't smart, don't have nice jobs and mostly do something illegal (drugs)

So the REAL problem is that those low-edu people feel like that they are being attack. But they ain't, and someone like Pim just use them to get votes.

[sytaylor]

Originally posted by (NL)Falcon4ever
A few correction:

Pim wasn't a racist, he only wanted to stop the immigration from illegal people.

yes but by the leftwing amoug us this classifies as racism, then a person gets brandished a racist, a fate worse than death or at very least eventually leading to death... i mean how does wanting to stop people walking into a country to claim benefits from those who work to keep the country running racist? suuure if they came here to work, and got a job and contributed to society then fine... but the fact is thats RARE... and its sickens me to hear people being called racist for thinking this...

real racism is what happens on the streets not in the news (and yes im WELL aware it goes both ways)...

[adi]

Originally posted by Deathbird
well i never see "white ppl" hanging on the corner on the street waiting for u.

You've obviously never been in Belfast past 10'0 clock in the night. I'm indian and quite frankly what you just said could be attributed to any racial group anywhere in the world. for a politician to say anything like what you said is just racist, nothing else

[sytaylor]

to add to my earlier post, wating to stop illegal immmigration is not racist, because it applies to ALL, regardless of skin colour, no matter who you are you are welcome (into the uk anyways) as long as you can proove that youre going to contribute and not live off society

[sk8bloke22]

its more nationalist than racist, theres a difference.

[2fast4u]

here's a few lil quotes from this (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/page.cfm?objectid=11849540&method=full) article for u folks ...


He claimed Islam was a "backward culture" and Muslim immigrants undermined Holland's permissive values which made it the first country to legalise same-sex marriages.


He said: "You have Negroes who are Muslims, you have white men who are Muslims, you have yellow men who are Muslims, so how can you connect the Muslim religion and culture with a race? Then you are very stupid, Mr Simpson."


"I think 16 million Dutchmen are about enough - this is a full country."

this my friends is racism, well-hidden but existing. i have no doubt in my mind.

aside from that in case he would have been elected prime minister he wanted to get the netherlands out of the treaty of schengen (which means open borders for those who are not from europe).

[sytaylor]

open borders? are you insane?! his reasoning may be well out of wack but some of the polotics is ok, open borders?! you expecting something like america around the 1890s where immigrants poured in and built the country? aint gonna happen to a country thats already built now is it? blaming races for things is a weak minded way of doing something, no more than that, its an excuse a riddiculous excuse... if the guy had just said that the treaty would increase immigrants coming into the country to live off of the peoples hard earned money then id have sympathy for him, but he didnt, so i dont

[Tri-Force]

nice avtar 2fast4u

[sytaylor]

its aincient, i saw that a year ago :P

[zorbid]

You should see immigration from the other side:
Would you prefer to starve, working hard in your country, or live wealthy, even doing nothing, in another one?

[sytaylor]

and thats why im all for legal immigration

[2fast4u]

Originally posted by sytaylor
open borders? are you insane?! his reasoning may be well out of wack but some of the polotics is ok, open borders?! you expecting something like america around the 1890s where immigrants poured in and built the country? aint gonna happen to a country thats already built now is it? blaming races for things is a weak minded way of doing something, no more than that, its an excuse a riddiculous excuse... if the guy had just said that the treaty would increase immigrants coming into the country to live off of the peoples hard earned money then id have sympathy for him, but he didnt, so i dont

welcome to reality. the treaty is already working ... u realize this also means there are no people that control u at the borders and no taxes, right? its called the european union.

[Slougi]

2fast4u is right, there is already a treaty like this......

[sytaylor]

Originally posted by 2fast4u

its called the european union.

*shudder*:plain2: