How Cigarettes are both evil and bad for you:)

[Josep]

I really wanted to start this thread just cause i hate cigarettes with a passion and i'm hoping there are people here that understand how they are both evil and bad for you;) IF anyone starts responding to this thread i'll post some of my opinions, other than that...post away;)

[Harteex]

/me hates cigarettes

[flow``]

none of my friends nor i smoke.. its uncool around us

[Josep]

not to mention the overall disgusting scam of cigarrettes, Everyone knows they are addictive and can kill, so why are they still on the market?? thats one of those government consipracy things where, yes, they benefit a whole lot from people that are hopelessly addicted to them, its very sad, no smiley face for that, its a very vicious cycle. I might go in depth if anyone opposes me or is with me

[Tri-Force]

SMOKING KILLS. it's bad for your health and the health of the people around you while you are smoking. HOWEVER. IT MAKES YOU LOOK COOL!!!!i dont care what anyone says there are just some things you cant say unless you can follow it by flicking the end of a cigarette and popping it in your mouth to take a puff. I dont smoke by anymeans but that is what me and my friend came up with one day.

[2fast4u]

erm ... just my personal opinion on cigarettes...

... they taste bad, i tried em
... they stink
... they polute coz most ppl just toss em on the street
... they kill ur ass
... they kill others just bcoz u thought u oughta smoke
... they are a way for unscrupulously capitalists to milk money from ppl who dont get it
... screw them

kthx.

[blizz]

I don't think we can be overzealous towards ciggies, If people want to smoke let them, if people don't like it then don't offend them with it.

it's just a matter of personal choice

you have to remember though you're exposed to just as dangerous carcinogens in every day life, brake pads use asbestos and hence that dust gets into the air, petrol contains a bounty of various organic molecules containg aromatic rings which are on the whole carcinogens (unless bound up into large stable soilds like kevlar), exhaust fumes produce nasty chemicals too

/me thinks living is bad for you.

[2fast4u]

its actually not just a matter of personal choice. just because living as-is is unhealthy already, there is still no sense in making it worse.

[Eagle]

Get a life Blizz, If you think smoking ciggarettes only affects the smoker your wrong. Second hand smoke kills more non-smokers than smoking kills smokers. Its a proven fact. Being alergic to tobbaco smoke, I've done detailed reports for school classes on the ill effecs of second hand smoke. Did you know that the smoker breathes in most (but not all) of the chemicals and tar into his mouth but it never enters his lungs. He then proceeds to blow it off into the air where it kills those who breath it in. Most often those who die from tobacco smoke inhalation live with a smoker but don't actually smoke themselves.

[EdgeBlade]

I'm about as Anti-Drug/Anti-Alcahol as you can get without actually going out and tring to stop it. But I hate those addtictive habbits with a passion. My Mom smokes and she know better than to even be near me while she's doing it :) I hate the smell, kinda good I'm moving in mith my g/f after were married, I can get away from it! Of course I'll never truely escape it, out side is still considered a public place, dam!

[Macca]

I'm not really anti anything, i mean i don't smoke but i have the occasional drink. if people want to smoke, thats their choice. If you don't like secondary smoke either tell them to leave, or you leave. The fact about more people dying by secondary smoke i'm not sure about that, where did you get it from eagle?

Downunder smoking is banned nearly everywhere, resturaunts, shopping centres and most indoor places so there is not much of a problem down here that i know of but i guess it maybe different where you live.

And i would have to agree with Blizz in saying that there are alot of other things as dangerous to us as smoking is. step outside and look around.

[Tri-Force]

Originally posted by Eagle
Get a life Blizz, If you think smoking ciggarettes only affects the smoker your wrong. Second hand smoke kills more non-smokers than smoking kills smokers. Its a proven fact. Being alergic to tobbaco smoke, I've done detailed reports for school classes on the ill effecs of second hand smoke. Did you know that the smoker breathes in most (but not all) of the chemicals and tar into his mouth but it never enters his lungs. He then proceeds to blow it off into the air where it kills those who breath it in. Most often those who die from tobacco smoke inhalation live with a smoker but don't actually smoke themselves.
actcually Eagle the studys are wrong. they dont take into account that smokers are also taking in the second hand smoke. and there are more non smokers than smokers which is why it seems that more non smokers die as a cause of second hand smoke than smokers. around the smoke (both the smokers and non-smokers) breath in the second hand smoke. I am also alergic to tobaco smoke and have done my research

[Tri-Force]

I think its' time for another poem by your's truly but im too lazy and tired to type or remember it right now so tomorrow ill put up my poem intitled "Pop Quiz"

[Eagle]

Originally posted by Tri-Force

actcually Eagle the studys are wrong. they dont take into account that smokers are also taking in the second hand smoke. and there are more non smokers than smokers which is why it seems that more non smokers die as a cause of second hand smoke than smokers. around the smoke (both the smokers and non-smokers) breath in the second hand smoke. I am also alergic to tobaco smoke and have done my research

Well thats true, but my point is, "SMOKING KILLS MORE THAN JUST THE SMOKER!!!" and anyone who says "Its my body, I'll do what I want." needs to think about that

[gokuss4]

:angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: damnit i hate smoking a lot. why do people do it? dont they ever listen to the anti-smoking ads? :angry: god the government are a bunch of assholes IMO cause they do this and they keep secrets away from us and they think "the people cant handle it" well they're people SO WE CAN HANDLE IT TOO!!!! if i ever became president i'd stop all smoking but i would keep in the beer but be a little more strcit about it. i dont hate smokers, i just hate what smoking does to there bodies, SO IM HATING THE FUCKING TOBACCO COMPANY!!! there is no way no how i will ever get into smoking, peer pressure or NOT. i wont try to drink alcohal unless its a special occasion or unless im bored or something. i wouldn't become a drunk lord and be an idiot...

[Eagle]

Well, gokuss4 I don't see how the government has much of a choice. Yes they could declare tobacco an illegal drug, but doing so could have strong reprecussions on the economy. The only way to get rid of it all together is the way they are currently doing, By slowly increasing taxes and levies on the industry until it slowly fades away. It will take a long time to do, but I trust it will happen. Once the industry has been damaged by the taxes, it can then be outlawed with little economic damage.

[timisaledge]

why bother smoking somthing that doesnt do anything?, go out and smoke a big fat joint, thats the only thing worth smoking:devil:

[sk8bloke22]

Originally posted by timisaledge
why bother smoking somthing that doesnt do anything?, go out and smoke a big fat joint, thats the only thing worth smoking:devil:

aye aye :sleepy:

[Martin]

It's all about addiction. Even if it was illegal people would still be smoking cigarettes. Making it illegal would just increase criminality. Remember what happened when they made booze illegal?

[Macca]

Originally posted by Martin
Remember what happened when they made booze illegal?

We shall never speak of this time again

[sk8bloke22]

lol.

they could put more and more restrictions on tabaco, but tabaco companies refuse to let them do so, they still use the ridiculous arguement that cigarettes aernt addictive. anyone seen the film The Insider...well thats based on a true story about the tabacco industry...wkd film.

[2fast4u]

Originally posted by sk8bloke22
they still use the ridiculous arguement that cigarettes aernt addictive. anyone seen the film

the problem here is that tobacco companies a study (for which they paid :sleepy: ) 'prove' that tobacco isnt addictive and so on. that way they have a scientific backing in court. it may not stop the process against them but it slows it down, imo.

[Gent]

I Smoke & Always Have as far as i can remember.
I Don't Drink, I don't see the Point of going out & drinking yourself silly & acting like a Fool
(Just my Opinion.)

But people still do it.

One Addiction Instead of another. ???

[Tri-Force]

"well you know i dont smoke cigarettes
I dont see the point
but if you're gonna put smoke in your lungs
you might as well smoke a joint"

Thats by Edwin-Frickin-McCain

[Josep]

Originally posted by blizz
I don't think we can be overzealous towards ciggies, If people want to smoke let them, if people don't like it then don't offend them with it.

it's just a matter of personal choice

you have to remember though you're exposed to just as dangerous carcinogens in every day life, brake pads use asbestos and hence that dust gets into the air, petrol contains a bounty of various organic molecules containg aromatic rings which are on the whole carcinogens (unless bound up into large stable soilds like kevlar), exhaust fumes produce nasty chemicals too

/me thinks living is bad for you.

i'm sorry i have to bring this up again, i've kinda got caught behind, and YES making cigarettes illegal would be VERY dumb, instead, i would agree with more harsh restrictions on them, and raise the prices on them. Raising prices might do more harm than good, but at least it'll make people realize how stupid it is to buy something so exspensive. WOW!!!! BLIZZ?! you must be one of those smokers...its obvious, people defend what they believe or not at all;) you guys want a few qoutes??

-They add licorice and cocoa, which sound innocent, except when you burn them they act as bronchodilators -- which makes you inhale more smoke so the nicotine gets further into your body.

-The product they sell kills more people than AIDS, murder, suicide, fires, alcohol and all illegal drugs COMBINED.

-Smokers are admitted to hospitals twice as often as nonsmokers.
Tobacco companies put ammonia in cigarettes which makes your brain absorb more nicotine than it normally would.

Do yourselves a favor if you think the world out there has more pollution than cigarrettes and a bunch of other convoluted stuff and go to: thetruth.com ;) 'nough said

[Josep]

yee-HAW the truth comes out;) even though i don't see many tobacco adds nymore;)

[Ketil]

all my friends smoke. that's why i started too

[Josep]

Originally posted by antraxx
all my friends smoke. that's why i started too

thats sad, you fall into the crowd of the 90th percentile that starts from pier pressure...im' not mocking you, thats just sad

[Ketil]

Originally posted by Josep


thats sad, you fall into the crowd of the 90th percentile that starts from pier pressure...im' not mocking you, thats just sad

Thank U. Now lets continue keeping this thread serious

[2fast4u]

hes right, has nothing to do with being serious ... :sleepy:

[Remote]

I don't smoke on a daily bacis but picture yourself at your local pub or club, or on a party or similar... You are looking at a couple of beatiful ladies and don't want to repeat and / or humiliate yourself by repeating last weekends pick up lines... So what do you do? Easily, you walk up to them and ask for a smoke...

The only reason women smoke is that they want guys to come up to them and ask for a smoke, and the only reason why guys smoke is that they become addicted, both by ladies and smokes, after a couple of weeks of serious partying...

[Hacktarux]

I am totally agreed with Josep but THE thing i will never understand is how people can accept to pay so much money on tabacco. I don't know how much it costs in your country but in france it costs more than 3 euro and it is unbelievable how much it costs per month to a smoker. And i know that there's country where there's much more taxes....

[blizz]

man all I do is a post for people to accept a persons choice whether it is destructive or not, hey you let people drink beer and eat processed foods don't you? yet you don't complain about the health effects then do you?

Actually you've been pretty pathetic, unable to accept a person's decision because it's different to your own.

If you stop people smoking what next? Chocolate? It's addictive. Sugar? That's certainly addictive, or how about driving too fast? no wait people have tried that and it doesn't work.

edit:

btw no I don't smoke, and no I don't think it's a good idea.

[Gent]

Yup blizz.

Everyone should not be so quick to judge a book By its cover,
Or so quick to condemn someone for what they Believe In whats right for them.
It's their Life not yours people, Now chill.

Smoking don't make me a worse person Then if i was a non Smoker.

Us smokers Know Smoking can Kill,
but also the same goes for Over Drinking & Fatty Foods, Or Even Stepping out on a street & getting run down.

Shite Happens.

I only have 2 major Addictions in my Life
1: Smoking
2: Helping people who need my Help.

Ask my Wife What is the worst one When im getting to rest at 7am in the morning

[Josep]

yea, it is your life, and it is respectful to let people do what they want to do, BUT how it can be evil is that MOST smokers, from MY personal experience say they know it kills them, BUT they just can't stop, and they really want to stop! Its a scary thing, and i didn't mean to directly insult you blizz, even tho i did;) Its just that people around you that smoke pisses me off, hell i had that happen to me today, some guy just sat by my friends and i and i just told him to put it out or just move away and he moved away. I'm all for living your own life and having your own values and stuff, But of course there are allot of people out there they don't like the view of other people and try to evoke their opinions of life on them. For me to accept someone that smokes is fine, i could be great friends with a smoker, BUT me accepting the fact that THEY accept smoking as a part of living i would have to step in...ok now im just rambling...;)

[Macca]

Smoking is not good for you and people do it. these people may indeed want to quit bbut due to lack of will power, addiciton or bordem they fail. Yhe question is what can be done to help them?
Well alot has been done down here i must say and the problem has not dissappeared. First there was a 'Quit' Line, a free phone call for advice. then came the national Quit day, a day dedicated to quitting smoking. Now there are laws banning it from most indoor places, resturaunts, shopping centres and cafes. All of this as well as the constant advertising of nicortte patches on tv, radio and all other forms. Even afte all this people still smoke.

I ask, what more can be done? its no good bithing about it and saying that nothing is being done, when in realitity alot is. Come'on and give a coulpe suggecstions to what more can be done to reduce the amout of smoking. just list away

[sytaylor]

if people wanna smoke fine, if they wanna do it round me they can f*ck off, i didnt spend 17 and 3/4 years avoiding the stuff to have some person do it right next to me... fine its persona choice, but smokers can choose to smoke somewhere else than near me... thats personal choice... they wanna smoke, i DONT so i dont see why i should have to be subjected to it when im doing nothing wrong.

the worst thing is when people preach about choice and then insist on using that as a reason to ask me if i wanna smoke?! "oh ones not gonna hurt" FOR F*CKS SAKE I DONT WANNA SMOKE, is that so hard for people to grasp?!

everyone knows why smoking is bad for you, im not gonna ramble on about that, but im sick and tired of people trying to tell me its ok when they know for a fact it isnt... so as i said earlier... no disrespect to smokers, but if youre gonna smoke, get the hell away from me when you do it

[Gent]

Originally posted by sytaylor
if people wanna smoke fine, if they wanna do it round me they can f*ck off, i didnt spend 17 and 3/4 years avoiding the stuff to have some person do it right next to me... fine its persona choice, but smokers can choose to smoke somewhere else than near me... thats personal choice... they wanna smoke, i DONT so i dont see why i should have to be subjected to it when im doing nothing wrong.

:plain: Choice is something that is out of the Window for me.

As for smoking around People who Dont, I dont !
People who Smoke Near Children, That pure wrong,
but preaching at people who can do without your one sided Views is also Pure wrong.
You wanna Preach, Buy A Chapel.

I dont judge People.

If they are respectful to me, I am back
I treat poeple as i want to be treated in return.

Believe me I'm very Open Minded, If i wasnt & didnt give a Danm.
I would of told you to go see an agony aunt (Or A Shrink) over your recent misfortune.
But as i said, Im not that misunderstanding in Peoples personal Battles.

Gent

[Eagle]

Originally posted by The Gentleman
I Smoke & Always Have as far as i can remember.
I Don't Drink, I don't see the Point of going out & drinking yourself silly & acting like a Fool
(Just my Opinion.)

But people still do it.

One Addiction Instead of another. ???

So killing yourself is better than drinking yourself silly?

[Eagle]

Originally posted by The Gentleman
Yup blizz.

Everyone should not be so quick to judge a book By its cover,
Or so quick to condemn someone for what they Believe In whats right for them.
It's their Life not yours people, Now chill.


Sorry to keep slamming you Gentleman, but its not just your life. Second hand smoke kills too. And even if it didn't affect others, to say "Its their life" is a comon cliche used by drug users. I suppose we should leagalize crack, speed, and other drugs because "Its their life"

[Eagle]

Originally posted by The Gentleman


:plain: Choice is something that is out of the Window for me.

As for smoking around People who Dont, I dont !
People who Smoke Near Children, That pure wrong,
but preaching at people who can do without your one sided Views is also Pure wrong.
You wanna Preach, Buy A Chapel.

I dont judge People.

If they are respectful to me, I am back
I treat poeple as i want to be treated in return.

Believe me I'm very Open Minded, If i wasnt & didnt give a Danm.
I would of told you to go see an agony aunt (Or A Shrink) over your recent misfortune.
But as i said, Im not that misunderstanding in Peoples personal Battles.

Gent

Got to do it again :P Theres nothing wrong with "Preaching" about the damage that smoking causes. If this thread managed to cause one person to give it up, then mission accomplished. The best way that knowledge can spread it through communication. If thats wrong, then every commercial that comes on TV must be "Preaching" about their product.

[Gent]

Originally posted by Eagle


Got to do it again :P Theres nothing wrong with "Preaching" about the damage that smoking causes. If this thread managed to cause one person to give it up, then mission accomplished. The best way that knowledge can spread it through communication. If thats wrong, then every commercial that comes on TV must be "Preaching" about their product.

I suppose we should leagalize crack, speed, and other drugs because "Its their life"



Well to be honest Eagle.

1st: What bit of Me not smoking around anyone what-so-ever did you not understand ?
2nd: There is a lot wrong with someone preaching when it always seems to be one sided & ignorant in not listening to anothers point of view.

I had a very Religious guy in Chan who told me
That i should change to His way of Beliefs & if i didn't I was going to hell :)
Well i never Judged Or told him To Feck off, Others would of (Gent Is open Minded)
Besides I thanked him for the tip off, Always nice to know so i can be prepared.

Preaching beliefs Isn't a good Way to makes friends & influence people.

As for the Last Comment, Thats a Bit of a Twatty Thing to say isnt it ?

How about Tea (Yes It is an Addictive Drug also Im Told) You wanna Ban that Too ?
How about Coffee While we are at it ?
Thats also a Drug (& very Addictive) :sleepy:

[sytaylor]

Gent: you got my deffinition of preaching wrong... i said "im not going to preach" and i didnt, i havent judged anyone either, what i have said is that it annoys me... i dont know where you got the idea that venting one of my frustrations with certain memberos of the smoking population meant i was attacking you or that it infers i need to see a pschiatrist, but i assure you im fine

[sytaylor]

Originally posted by The Gentleman

How about Tea (Yes It is an Addictive Drug also Im Told) You wanna Ban that Too ?
How about Coffee While we are at it ?
Thats also a Drug (& very Addictive) :sleepy:

addiction is not what makes smoking bad, the side effects are, you know, cancer, heart disease, decreased phisical ability, heightened coughing et al???

[Gent]

sytaylor, I did not aim the Preaching at you !
From your original Post read On.
It is pure Preaching !


addiction is not what makes smoking bad, the side effects are, you know, cancer, heart disease, decreased physical ability, heightened coughing et al

If everyone really lived life Purely we would still be living in Caves, Or Straw huts with Panda bears running around.

As for Cancer, Sunbathing can also lead to that, As can many many other things.

decreased physical ability Thats drink & Fatty Foods for you also.

(as of lack of exercise)

As for the Shrink Bit, I am merely demonstrating how one opinion Can be far away from the Truth.
You say you do not need one, As you are fine with yourself & Thats great.

Other will ask don't you have no one to talk to Other then Broadcasting to strangers on the Net.

Hey Syt, I have no Probs either way.


Personally i think this should be locked, But only because it will resolve nothing.

[Tri-Force]

lets not forget the second hand smoke and all you people defending smoking take a look at that. i have a right to breathe freash air. so why should i move because you chose to kill yourself and me? and here is something i have never heard.

SECOND HAND TEA BAGS KILL UN BORN CHILD!!!
SECOND HAND COFFEE FILTERS KILL STARBUCKS EMPLOYEES!!!
SECOND HAND CHOCOLATE BARS GAVE ME CANCER!!!!!

those headlines will never exsist. so please try to find a VALID arguement for killing others The Gentleman

[Gent]

Tri-Force I look foward to your poem on the matter :sleepy:

The World is being Killed For things You buy & use Everyday of your life, You wanna get off ?

[Josep]

The Gentleman: Does any thread solve anything IN this waay off the topic forum? Uh no, look at the exsistence of god one, and the babe thread, those are not going anywhere, they does not mean they should be closed.

The World is being Killed For things You buy & use Everyday of your life

No sh1t, and you can some back and say that everything we use from the world kills us in return, Everyone is essentially dying once they are born, its the rate at which they die determines irregular or unnatural cause of death.

I believe its a very kind act to stop people from smoking and invoke your beliefs on stopping someone from smoking, espeically if its some one you know, or care about. I would feel i am doing an act of injustice to turn my shoulder when i see someone i know smoking. Thats just my opinion, you have to keep an open mind and draw some lines between what you think is understandable and just plain wrong.

[Macca]

Gent, josep has a point about this thread being left open, its an open discussion for anyone to voice their opinions.

as for the smoking, i have to agree with you gent on the fact that everyone else in hear has no right to 'preach' to you or tell you otherwise when they don't even know who you are. i mean it may be alright to do it to a mate who you know and know where, what and how they smoke, but not a total stranger on the net.

Thats the thing with the net, you can't form relaiable opinions on a person whom you have only read what they have written. For all we know you could only ever smoke when you are alone or with no non-smokers around, how is this then affecting everyone else if there is no one there?

well i'm just ranting again so ignore me :P

[Eagle]

Oh, I give up, smoking kills, its a proven fact, and now I shall not look at this thread again. :P

[sytaylor]

"Motality is not an excuse to be stupid its a reason not to be" a quote i made up in retaliation to those trying to tell me that "smoking is ok", lets face it, its not ok, not only that but it affects others as well it affecting yourself... to me thats unfair, if you wanna put yourself though the things SCIENCE has PROOVEN to result in cancer, amougst other things (not just things preached by those who like clean air), then as long as you dont do it around me i have no problems with it

but please dont try aand pass smoking off as "ok" and "quite safe in moderation", because thats lying to others and yourself, it IS harmful, and it WILL bite you in the ass, and its you who has to live, or indeed die with your decision

[Josep]

yea, i ACTUALLY agree with sytaylor here, this isn't preaching, if you were to preach something to someone you would try to evoke hope, belief and faith in them. TELLING people smoking is very harmful in fact is informing them of the truth, a FACT, that has been proven countless times since cigarrettes have been initially released whenver that was. This isn't some religious thing that you have to take a leap of faith to understand, its about helping people prolong their lives and keep it healthy till their death, and second hand smoke btw...well sytaylor said it;)

[zodiacjaen]

oh god... all of you people sound just like religious fanatics.
smoking is something you choose to do. there are special areas almost everywhere you go so that smokers can smoke without bothering the non-smokers.
i smoke, but i dont do it because i think it makes e look cool or manly, i do it because i like it. if there is a person that doesnt like me smoking near him, all he or she has got to do is tell me politely and i gladly put out the cig. it is just a matter of choice.

P.S.
if you want to do something against smoking do it in another place, an anti-smoking forum... something like that. your opinions on smoking are not going to be taken seriously in an emulation related forum

[Eagle]

Originally posted by zodiacjaen

P.S.
if you want to do something against smoking do it in another place, an anti-smoking forum... something like that. your opinions on smoking are not going to be taken seriously in an emulation related forum

Thats kinda a stupid comment. How many smokers visit anit-smoking forums?

[ra5555]

I don't smoke... but I respect people's rights, though I'd rather have no one smokes. But if no body smokes, the tobacco industry will crash and make a lot of people straving... and we don't want that to happen. So it depends.

[Macca]

Originally posted by Eagle
Oh, I give up, smoking kills, its a proven fact, and now I shall not look at this thread again. :P

/me points

Liar :P

[Trotterwatch]

I don't smoke - in fact I detest smoking. But each to their own, as long as they don't blow their smoke in my direction.

Some things I dislike about some smokers:

When they say "I smoke because it relaxes me" - bollocks

It only has a relaxant effect because without the Nicotine (which is more addictive than heroin) you are in effect going through mild Cold Turkey. When you get the Nicotine back inside you, all is well.

When they say "I smoke low tar cigarettes, so they are better for me" - again bollocks

When someone smokes lowtar cigarettes they tend to inhale much deeper in order to get the same effect, this means the smoke goes deeper into the lungs - not good.

When they say "Smoking is cool" - bollocks

It may be cool to some 15-16 year old kid (which is the group the tobacco firms target), but to anyone the least bit grown up, smoking is about as cool as watching a film where the word shit is used, y'know it doesn't register as good or not, just mediocre.


One benefit of smoking is that it is thought to help minimise the risks of suffering from both Alzheimers disease, and Parkinsons disease. This is due to the Nicotine stimulating the brain in a certain way. Drugs were under development, and I am sure still are that take the beneficial effects of the nicotine, whilst negating the negative effects, this would be useful in the treatment (though not cure) of these terrible conditions.

[DuDe]

Hmpf, I haven`t even seen this thread...
Anyway, I`ll only comment on the headline : ciggies are bad, that`s true, and it`s impossible to argue about that. But evil? What`s so evil about cigarettes? It`s not like that ciggie puts a gun to your head and makes you smoke it, does it?
All in all, cigarettes aren`t any more dangerous than any other modern life addictions, namely coffey (heart diseases), junk food (same), alcohol (liver diseases), etc, etc.

[icepir8]

Actually coffe is harder on the kidnees then the heart. I quit smoking a long time ago. Now to quit caffine. :P

Take up an addiction, like sex, that is good for you. <a href="glossary.php?<r=l">LOL</a>.

[DuDe]

I`ll second that!

[AlphaWolf]

Hahaha you all will think I am a serious asshole for what I'm about to say, but I am all for people getting addicted to drugs :P

Think about it, when somebody ends up being a junkie, they made the chioce to be at the bottom of society, which leaves more room for all of the people who are worth a damn at the top. Less competition for everybody who makes the right choices. Also theres the fact that people can be controlled by their addictions, (the main reason I avoid it). :devil:

Don't anybody give me any shit about how if they started when they were 12 or something that its not their fault because they "didn't have the mental capacity to make wise decisions at that age" blah blah blah, because when I was 11 I was confronted with that and actively refused it for this very reason.

Lifes full of decisions, if you make the decision to be a lowlife, thats fine by me, and I commend you and give you a pat on the back for leaving room for the better members of society :sly:

[2fast4u]

i suggest u stop thinking in black and white. theres a bigass huge middleway between being a junkie and being clean. its called being a human. most people like to drink alocohol and still they are far away from being junkies and at the same time they are succesful in their jobs, have a family and enuff money. i like to drink alocohol and smoke once in a while. does that make me bad? yeah right ..

now else .. who are u to declare urself a better member of society than others? have u ever thought about the good of anyone rather than urself? i have a feeling the answer is no.

thus .. im thinking u are a snooty, egocentric well-u-know-what. thank yew very much.

[AlphaWolf]

Originally posted by 2fast4u
i suggest u stop thinking in black and white. theres a bigass huge middleway between being a junkie and being clean.

Yep, hence I used the word junkie.



its called being a human. most people like to drink alocohol and still they are far away from being junkies and at the same time they are succesful in their jobs, have a family and enuff money. i like to drink alocohol and smoke once in a while. does that make me bad? yeah right ..

Yep, hence I used the word junkie.



now else .. who are u to declare urself a better member of society than others? have u ever thought about the good of anyone rather than urself? i have a feeling the answer is no.

I wouldn't say that entirely...I was thinking about how if we legalized marijuana or other drugs, the taxes we put on them could go to benefit social security. (addicts be inelligible, kinda like a life insurance policy)



thus .. im thinking u are a snooty, egocentric well-u-know-what. thank yew very much.

Yep, you seem to have figured me out quite well dear watson.


DuDe: didn't I tell you he would be the first person to reply?

[Jaz]

Originally posted by Eagle
Well, gokuss4 I don't see how the government has much of a choice. Yes they could declare tobacco an illegal drug, but doing so could have strong reprecussions on the economy.

Think about it - a packet of cigarettes costs about £4.50 in the UK. £3, or probably more, of that is government TAX. If smoking stopped, the government would be fucked.

[sytaylor]

taxing the stupid is and incredibly smart idea... the amount saved on the nhs wouldnt quite outweigh the cost of loosing the income of tabacco based tax... theyd rather kill us than save us, espeically this latest lot, stealth taxes and all!

[AlphaWolf]

/me wonders if 2fast4u and zodiacjaen are trying to legitamize smoking....

EDIT:
Actualy heres something I want to know, why did either of you start smoking to begin with?

[Jaz]

Originally posted by sytaylor
the amount saved on the nhs wouldnt quite outweigh the cost of loosing the income of tabacco based tax... theyd rather kill us than save us, espeically this latest lot, stealth taxes and all!

The smokers of the UK practically pay for the NHS outright.

[2fast4u]

/me wonders if 2fast4u and zodiacjaen are trying to legitamize smoking....

nope ... but its human to have weaken, right?


Actualy heres something I want to know, why did either of you start smoking to begin with?

nope

[AlphaWolf]

Originally posted by 2fast4u

/me wonders if 2fast4u and zodiacjaen are trying to legitamize smoking....

nope ... but its human to have weaken, right?


yeah I suppose its possible to fall to communism, but I fail understand where this answer came from.




Actualy heres something I want to know, why did either of you start smoking to begin with?

nope

ok


Originally posted by 2fast4u

i like to drink alocohol and smoke once in a while.


what?

[Eagle]

Originally posted by Macca

Originally posted by Eagle
Oh, I give up, smoking kills, its a proven fact, and now I shall not look at this thread again. :P

* Macca points

Liar :P

I forgot I posted that, considering it was April 22 when I did. Who dug this thread up anyhow?

[Eagle]

Guys if you really want to get rid of smoking Jaz mentioned the only way to do it without hurting the economy. Raise taxes. Not a lot, but gradually more and more (Bill Clinton tried to start this, see he did some smart things too, unfortunately he did more stupid things but well I'm getting outside my point) If you continue on a veeeery gradual basis to tax tobbaco more and more it will phase out without hurting the economy one bit. Eventually they will be too expensive to afford and slowly people will force themselves to quit.

[2fast4u]

yeah I suppose its possible to fall to communism, but I fail understand where this answer came from.

eh?

[zodiacjaen]

to eagle: smokers that visit anti smoking panels visit them because of 2 reasons: A) they have an open mind and like to see other peoples opinions and B) they accidentaly ran into them while looking for an emulation forum...

[zodiacjaen]

alpha wolf: I dont want to get it legitimize smoking....
and i will be the first to admit it: I started smoking out of pure stupidity, and I havent been able to stop. it IS addictive, it IS bad for you, it Is a whole lot of other things, but since it is addictive the weaker smoker cant even try to quit. its just reality.
PS: i AM trying to quit and I WILL quit, hopefully

[AlphaWolf]

Originally posted by 2fast4u

eh?

In other words, the answers you gave don't make any sense. Elaborate...e.g. what does weakening have to do with legitamizing? and why did you answer no to the second question?

[Olger901]

I have done almost everything. I even tried some Weed (Without tabacco) :P But I have never taken a smoke out of 1 sigarette I can tell you that

[Jaz]

Originally posted by Olger901
I even tried some Weed (Without tabacco) :P

You do realise that that would almost kill you?

[Stezo2k]

hes probably kidding :P

[Josep]

wtf?! i made this thread months ago!;) anyway, if you smoke, lets hope you'll stop otherwise you'll have one shitty life when you are older, if you get older...yea thats really general but in a nutshell;)

[B*A*G*G]

life is to short
SMOKE UP!!!
here, let me light that for you :devil:

[bjl667]

I had a grandfather that died from smoking, he was 85 (after smoking almost most of his life) when he was put on oxygen until he died at the age of 90. Both of my parents smoke, yes I have to live with it 2nd hand smoke is pretty bad, I'm already see'in the sideeffects from 2nd hand smoke ie... Having trouble running you know daily activities & swimming can't even stay underwater for 1 min anymore heh. Believe me I know enough, my father is trying to quit now, he's off the cigs but now he's using freakin chewing tobacco even worse on the effects it has on your mouth etc... Thats just my two cents.

[Josep]

Originally posted by B*A*G*G
life is to short
SMOKE UP!!!
here, let me light that for you :devil:

life is short, might at as well fuck it up as best as you can? and look like a hopeless idiot addicted to cigs...

your making you self sound like another commoner, blowing needless money on cigs and contributing to the vicious loop that the cig company will get you into, wow, there is a big story behind it, and with remarks like that you obviously don't have a clue as to what cig's really do, not just to your health.

[B*A*G*G]

hehe, i dont even smoke.
in fact i think its kinda sad that people acully waste their hard earnd cash on a pack of smokes when they could be spending it more wisely and buy some of that fresh home grown thats been going around :innocent: )

and trust me, there is nother better than toking a nice green doobie after a freakin hard ass day of work.
screw cigarettes they just give you a headrush followd by a feining crackhead addiction, kinda sucks for cigarette smokers when they end up spending like $4.50 on a pack of camels evey day, sometimes twice-a-day when there really spun out. and they only do it cause they're addicted fucks. :colgate:

well my advice to most people is:
If it aint natural
dont smoke it :sly: !
only smoke what god intended us to smoke..... big fat doobies!
hehe... rhymes with boobies :innocent:

[iq_132]

no kidding...
anyway...
A carton of cigarettes is $65.31 in michigan.
Now.. how long does it take to smoke a carton? a week?
Multiply that by 52 weeks in a year, you get $3396.12
that's £5301 UK, $2142.14 Canadian, or 3354.35 Euros. (According to the currency exchange rates of 10/14/02.)

[Ryoga]

...Just gotta get in my 2 cents...

Let me lay out a time line first

1. The Federal and State Govenments, looking for more money, make plans to sue the tobacco corporations and join forces with anti-amoking nazis* (*group that demands that people act or think in a certain way (in this case not smoking), and failure to comply means that you are an enemy to everyone else (see also SUV driving, gun ownership, and the boy scouts))

2. They launch a campagin demonizing smoking (and smokers) through tv ads and newspaper articles.

3. With pressure from anti-amoking nazis states pass laws banning smoking in just about every public place. Citizens are ok with it because they hate smoking and think its evil (see #2)

4. States sue the tobacco corporations "to recoupe the health care costs to the states for taking care of smokers as they get old" Citizens ok with it because they hate smoking and think its evil (see #2)

And I could really care less about it all because I don't smoke, BUT...

The anti-amoking nazis, not satisfied until nobody in the world smokes, and have gotten states to pass additional laws, banning smoking in bars (because you know that a person going in to drink themselves under the table doesn't want to be exposed to second-hand smoke)

www.cnn.com/US/9801/23/smoking.ban/

and banning smoking in PRIVATE homes (they actually had a city legislature ban ALL smoking in their city. I can't remember the name, but its the same city that banned Santa Claus)

www.free-market.net/features/list-archives/objectivistcentermedia/msg00001.html

and while some of the money is being earmarked for healthcare

www.healthtrust.org/media/content/media-print-sjmn03.cfm

it is not being used by the state governements to reduce smoking

www.no-smoking.org/july00/07-18-00-3.html

and while it is true that increased taxes on tobacco products will cause the number of smokers to decrease...

tobaccofreekids.org/research/factsheets/pdf/0147.pdf

when you see where all this money is going, you can see what the governments were after in the first place.

www.usatoday.com/news/comment/2002/07/02/nceditf.htm

AND because the tobacco money is just about gone, they have started to search for their next target which might be...

Fast Food

abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/ obesityblame020122.html

Gun Manufacturers

www.cnn.com/US/9901/27/gun.lawsuits

Alcohol

http://www.marininstitute.org/Lawsuit.html

I wouldn't be surprised to come in here in a couple of years and see a title like "How Fast Food is both evil and bad for you"

Final Point: Remember that the tax revenue from tobacco is being used to fund programs like health care for uninsured children, so it is your DUTY as a good citizen to go buy cigerettes to fund these programs, even if you don't smoke them. If you don't then these children may not be able to get the medical attention they need. You don't want children to needlessly die do you? ;)

[iq_132]

Originally posted by Ryoga
...Just gotta get in my 2 cents...

Let me lay out a time line first

1. The Federal and State Govenments, looking for more money, make plans to sue the tobacco corporations and join forces with anti-amoking nazis* (*group that demands that people act or think in a certain way (in this case not smoking), and failure to comply means that you are an enemy to everyone else (see also SUV driving, gun ownership, and the boy scouts))

2. They launch a campagin demonizing smoking (and smokers) through tv ads and newspaper articles.

3. With pressure from anti-amoking nazis states pass laws banning smoking in just about every public place. Citizens are ok with it because they hate smoking and think its evil (see #2)

4. States sue the tobacco corporations "to recoupe the health care costs to the states for taking care of smokers as they get old" Citizens ok with it because they hate smoking and think its evil (see #2)

And I could really care less about it all because I don't smoke, BUT...

The anti-amoking nazis, not satisfied until nobody in the world smokes, and have gotten states to pass additional laws, banning smoking in bars (because you know that a person going in to drink themselves under the table doesn't want to be exposed to second-hand smoke)

www.cnn.com/US/9801/23/smoking.ban/

and banning smoking in PRIVATE homes (they actually had a city legislature ban ALL smoking in their city. I can't remember the name, but its the same city that banned Santa Claus)

www.free-market.net/features/list-archives/objectivistcentermedia/msg00001.html

and while some of the money is being earmarked for healthcare

www.healthtrust.org/media/content/media-print-sjmn03.cfm

it is not being used by the state governements to reduce smoking

www.no-smoking.org/july00/07-18-00-3.html

and while it is true that increased taxes on tobacco products will cause the number of smokers to decrease...

tobaccofreekids.org/research/factsheets/pdf/0147.pdf

when you see where all this money is going, you can see what the governments were after in the first place.

www.usatoday.com/news/comment/2002/07/02/nceditf.htm

AND because the tobacco money is just about gone, they have started to search for their next target which might be...

Fast Food

abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/ obesityblame020122.html

Gun Manufacturers

www.cnn.com/US/9901/27/gun.lawsuits

Alcohol

http://www.marininstitute.org/Lawsuit.html

I wouldn't be surprised to come in here in a couple of years and see a title like "How Fast Food is both evil and bad for you"

Final Point: Remember that the tax revenue from tobacco is being used to fund programs like health care for uninsured children, so it is your DUTY as a good citizen to go buy cigerettes to fund these programs, even if you don't smoke them. If you don't then these children may not be able to get the medical attention they need. You don't want children to needlessly die do you? ;)

or....
You could just kill yourself now, and donate your life savings to a health care organization to help children.

[AlphaWolf]

So long as somebody doesn't smoke around me, I don't give a damn. But I think it actualy ends up costing the states more money in health care for smokers than what they are actualy paying in taxes. Again, I think they should just fix that by making smokers ineligible for state funded health care relating to their respiratory organs, and tobacco chewers ineligible for state funded cancer treatment.

Other than that though, I agree with B*A*G*G, smoke away if it makes you happy.

[sytaylor]

Originally posted by bjl667
I had a grandfather that died from smoking, he was 85 (after smoking almost most of his life) when he was put on oxygen until he died at the age of 90. Both of my parents smoke, yes I have to live with it 2nd hand smoke is pretty bad, I'm already see'in the sideeffects from 2nd hand smoke ie... Having trouble running you know daily activities & swimming can't even stay underwater for 1 min anymore heh. Believe me I know enough, my father is trying to quit now, he's off the cigs but now

im in the same position... im quite phisically fit, but my lungs just aren't what they should be, and i blame my parents for forcing their smoke on me... for the public forcing their addiction on me... that is simply not fair

you can't argue against choice in either respect... but the dividing line falls at non smoking harms nobody, smoking harms everybody, therefore surley smokers should compromise where they smoke, that alone solves the problem... in the home its more difficult, but at least in a house everyone usually has a bedroom or something to go.

[Josep]

Originally posted by sytaylor

Originally posted by bjl667
I had a grandfather that died from smoking, he was 85 (after smoking almost most of his life) when he was put on oxygen until he died at the age of 90. Both of my parents smoke, yes I have to live with it 2nd hand smoke is pretty bad, I'm already see'in the sideeffects from 2nd hand smoke ie... Having trouble running you know daily activities & swimming can't even stay underwater for 1 min anymore heh. Believe me I know enough, my father is trying to quit now, he's off the cigs but now

im in the same position... im quite phisically fit, but my lungs just aren't what they should be, and i blame my parents for forcing their smoke on me... for the public forcing their addiction on me... that is simply not fair

you can't argue against choice in either respect... but the dividing line falls at non smoking harms nobody, smoking harms everybody, therefore surley smokers should compromise where they smoke, that alone solves the problem... in the home its more difficult, but at least in a house everyone usually has a bedroom or something to go.

you dork if your lungs aren't all what they should be then your not in shape!:) hehe, BUT seriously...

[Josep]

Originally posted by Ryoga
...Just gotta get in my 2 cents...

Let me lay out a time line first

1. The Federal and State Govenments, looking for more money, make plans to sue the tobacco corporations and join forces with anti-amoking nazis* (*group that demands that people act or think in a certain way (in this case not smoking), and failure to comply means that you are an enemy to everyone else (see also SUV driving, gun ownership, and the boy scouts))

2. They launch a campagin demonizing smoking (and smokers) through tv ads and newspaper articles.

3. With pressure from anti-amoking nazis states pass laws banning smoking in just about every public place. Citizens are ok with it because they hate smoking and think its evil (see #2)

4. States sue the tobacco corporations "to recoupe the health care costs to the states for taking care of smokers as they get old" Citizens ok with it because they hate smoking and think its evil (see #2)

And I could really care less about it all because I don't smoke, BUT...

The anti-amoking nazis, not satisfied until nobody in the world smokes, and have gotten states to pass additional laws, banning smoking in bars (because you know that a person going in to drink themselves under the table doesn't want to be exposed to second-hand smoke)

www.cnn.com/US/9801/23/smoking.ban/

and banning smoking in PRIVATE homes (they actually had a city legislature ban ALL smoking in their city. I can't remember the name, but its the same city that banned Santa Claus)

www.free-market.net/features/list-archives/objectivistcentermedia/msg00001.html

and while some of the money is being earmarked for healthcare

www.healthtrust.org/media/content/media-print-sjmn03.cfm

it is not being used by the state governements to reduce smoking

www.no-smoking.org/july00/07-18-00-3.html

and while it is true that increased taxes on tobacco products will cause the number of smokers to decrease...

tobaccofreekids.org/research/factsheets/pdf/0147.pdf

when you see where all this money is going, you can see what the governments were after in the first place.

www.usatoday.com/news/comment/2002/07/02/nceditf.htm

AND because the tobacco money is just about gone, they have started to search for their next target which might be...

Fast Food

abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/ obesityblame020122.html

Gun Manufacturers

www.cnn.com/US/9901/27/gun.lawsuits

Alcohol

http://www.marininstitute.org/Lawsuit.html

I wouldn't be surprised to come in here in a couple of years and see a title like "How Fast Food is both evil and bad for you"

Final Point: Remember that the tax revenue from tobacco is being used to fund programs like health care for uninsured children, so it is your DUTY as a good citizen to go buy cigerettes to fund these programs, even if you don't smoke them. If you don't then these children may not be able to get the medical attention they need. You don't want children to needlessly die do you? ;)


VERY convincing story,

/me applauds

using the 'ol card stacking trick;) anti-smoking nazis? jeez, thats just disgusting, and SMoking being an opinion? wow, thats just disgusting, it kills hundreds if not thousands of people a year, and your telling me how bad it is to ban it.

Facts are facts, ok, i'm an anti-terrorist nazi, I'm against terrorism, but wait your entitled to your own opinion, right? Ok, sure the fact is terrorism kills thousands of people a year, even excluding what happend to the US, does that make it right-HELL no! its not a god damn opinion, its freak'n mass murder on a world-wide scale, and guess what? same with freak'n smoking!

Fast Foods and Cigs?! yes of course these things are for the government, why?! it rakes in money, MONEY, Why is most of America still on diesel powered cars and 'good' old gasoline, MONEY, the government rapes a shit load of money off of us getting terrible gas controlled cars. Again, fast foods and cigs, addiction, hopeless addiction, America and any other organization could give a shit about your health with those products, cause they know all the short term affects, which is near to nothing. Long term affects with Cigs, no shit, you die an agonizing early death, and fast foods you lead an unhealthy diet with a large beer belly, high blood pressure and what not.

You don't want children to needlessly die do you?

i get what you mean, and its a great point, for arguing sake, but are you serious? thats just disgusting,

OK lets keep cigs, because you know why? my whole family works at a cig. company, and if they close them all down, where will my whole family work? You know what i say to that? TOUGH FUCKING SHIT, get another job and stop producing that addictive cancer stick.