New sound system

[sytaylor]

Oh christ my life is better with this thing in it... i used to have to listen to songs in headfones to hear any stereo tricks or pretty much antyhing left speaker (i had one workin speaker...) so i went out and bought a creative 2.1 surround sound system and OH MY GOD it rocks :D:inlove:

[Martin]

Very nice. :)

I wish I had one. :D

[sytaylor]

pimp emulation64 with ads... or not ;)

[Macca]

martin. just nick off with sy's :P

[sytaylor]

oi! dont be givin him ideas like that!

[DuDe]

I ain`t got any speakers connected to the PC. I connected my l33t 5 cd Panasonic mini stereo system, 1400 watt, hehe. Real nice bass, gotta tell you that.

[Reznor007]

Umm...I think you got your wattage wrong. 1400 watts on a mini system would be insane. My THX certified 6.1 home theater system is only 600 watts with a 120 watt subwoofer.

[Macca]

my sound system consists of;

Sony Playstation connected to my AMP connected to four speakers :D

Surprising good sound from the PSOne, it is the one thing it does well :P

[Reznor007]

Actually sound is yet another thing PS1 sucks at. Sounds in the 8KHz+ range tend to get distorted all the time.

[Reznor007]

My system:

Integra DTR-7.2 THX Select receiver 100 watt*6 channels(DTS-ES 6.1 discrete)
Kimber Kable 4VL speaker wire
B&W DM603-S2 Front Speakers
B&W DM603-S2 Rear Speakers
Monster Cable THX subwoofer cable
Sony SA-WM40 12" 120 watt subwoofer
B&W CC3 Center Speaker
Rotel RCD-951 HDCD Player (digital-coaxial audio connection)
Sanyo Hi-Fi VCR
Sanyo DWM-360 DVD Player (fiber optic audio connection, Svideo)
Apex AD-1000 DVD Player (digital-coaxial audio connection, Svideo)
PC with SB Live 5.1 connection into receivers multichannel analog input(5.1 surround for PC games)
VoodooTV200 video input card (using Dscaler for de-interlacing/progressive DVD)

[DuDe]

Originally posted by Reznor007
Umm...I think you got your wattage wrong. 1400 watts on a mini system would be insane. My THX certified 6.1 home theater system is only 600 watts with a 120 watt subwoofer.

1400 watt P.M.P.O, as in 2*70 watt RMS. It`s not much, but it`s enough to rock my cozy room.

[Reznor007]

Ok, that makes sense. I thought you were talking about 2*700 RMS, which would be overkill for a small room(and not something I would call a mini system ;) )

[sytaylor]

/me forgot the forumula to convert volts to watts, heh

[DuDe]

Converting volts to watts? Eh, don`t volts and watts describe two COMPLETELY different things? Watts determine the power of the machine, while volts determine the power of the electrons.

[vampireuk]

I need new speakers I busted mine :(

[adi]

are sony subs good reznor? ive never heard any but from my previous experience, m&k have been the best for me.

[Jaz]

Sony subs are pretty awesome..

[blizz]

If you want excellent speakers buy Bose ones, otherwise it's basically Sony or Creative if you want PC ones ;)

[adi]

i dont like bose, they spread the sound out too much when watching movies. They're not focused enough for me but I guess its a personal thing.

[Reznor007]

Originally posted by theacj
are sony subs good reznor? ive never heard any but from my previous experience, m&k have been the best for me.

The Sony sub I have is real nice for the price($200 US). It has good sound, and low bass...but I'm wanting to upgrade to a Velodyne sub in the future.

[Reznor007]

Originally posted by blizz
If you want excellent speakers buy Bose ones, otherwise it's basically Sony or Creative if you want PC ones ;)

Bose.....hahahahahahhaahha!!!

Sorry, but Bose charges way too much for consumer level speakers. For a little bit more than what they charge, you can get high end speakers that sound MUCH better.

[blizz]

Originally posted by Reznor007


Bose.....hahahahahahhaahha!!!

Sorry, but Bose charges way too much for consumer level speakers. For a little bit more than what they charge, you can get high end speakers that sound MUCH better.

ya sure, louder sure, imo Bose speakers have clarity at all volumes, I haven't been able to get either the Radio or the system to distort at high volume.

and for a grand for the system I'm damm impressed compared to the crap people buy as separates thinking they're wonderful, (it also doesn't look like a stereo either :D )

the main thing that effects your speakers isn't the actual speaker anyway it's the distance from the CD Laser to the speaker and the resistance/ quality of the wiring

[B*A*G*G]

bose speakers cost way to much for their worth, i stuck with the sony towers cause they only cost $255 for the biggest ones and they are fuggin loud. plus i got a fat 300watt 15" JBL sub so my towers can take it easy on the bass

[Jaz]

Listen to the man, he knows his shit.. ;)

[blizz]

hehe there is one thing from Bose which is a real rip of and that's their headphones which are damm expensive

[Redah]

WTF? Bose? Sony? Typical 'general consumer' brands.

If you want some *real* speakers, you're gonna get yourself a Klipsch ProMedia or a MidiLand speakerset (especially the latest surround kits).

Now THAT are speakers. Clear tones, pumping basses. No Sony/Philips/Pioneer/Bose crap. Get some real stuff.

UNF!

:inlove: MidiLand :inlove:

[blizz]

everyone has their favourites ;)

[Reznor007]

Originally posted by blizz


ya sure, louder sure, imo Bose speakers have clarity at all volumes, I haven't been able to get either the Radio or the system to distort at high volume.

and for a grand for the system I'm damm impressed compared to the crap people buy as separates thinking they're wonderful, (it also doesn't look like a stereo either :D )

the main thing that effects your speakers isn't the actual speaker anyway it's the distance from the CD Laser to the speaker and the resistance/ quality of the wiring

Bose speakers tend to fall short in many areas when compared to better speakers. Bose is one of the better "general consumer" speakers, but any serious audio person would laugh at them.

Go to some DVD/home theater/audiophile site and ask if they would go for Bose over B&W. Be sure to wear a flame retardant suit by the way ;)

And why worry about cable length when you are running a digital connection from the CD player to the receiver? :)

[sytaylor]

You guys are serious bout yer sound ancha ;) damn until this week i had one working 40W speaker

[B*A*G*G]

i got to test out this little ass junior sunfire sub for like 2 weeks, i only bought it to sell it and make profit but damn i wish i would of kept it because it was one of the loudesed mutha fuqas i ever heard on my setup.
check they're fuggin site out (http://www.sunfire.com/)
it had a 1200 watt (RMS!!!!) amp in it and i dont know how they crammed it in the little bitch.
and there is 2 subs in that little box not 1

[adi]

Originally posted by Redah
WTF? Bose? Sony? Typical 'general consumer' brands.

If you want some *real* speakers, you're gonna get yourself a Klipsch ProMedia or a MidiLand speakerset (especially the latest surround kits).

Now THAT are speakers. Clear tones, pumping basses. No Sony/Philips/Pioneer/Bose crap. Get some real stuff.

UNF!

:inlove: MidiLand :inlove:

hehe how about linn kelidh floorstanders with a mission 780c centre with 2 separate rotel preamps and um........ a toshiba dvd player. im sorry about the last one redah but its damn good for the money!

[B*A*G*G]

i would'nt mind getting one of these fatty systems for my desktop, i already got the original 4.0 promedia speakers but they're fugging falling apart on me and starting to sound blown.
i think klipsch owes me a new system :!!!:

[vampireuk]

/me drools

God I need cash, heh when I have moooney I'm gonna get a sweet sound system:inlove: :thumbsup:

[blizz]

Originally posted by Reznor007


Bose speakers tend to fall short in many areas when compared to better speakers. Bose is one of the better "general consumer" speakers, but any serious audio person would laugh at them.

Go to some DVD/home theater/audiophile site and ask if they would go for Bose over B&W. Be sure to wear a flame retardant suit by the way ;)

and? what would be the point in that, B&W sounds better to them, and Bose sounds better to me, what do you expect from Bose? their speakers are tiny, and the thing that bose has been able to do is make speakers that sound great to the average person not the major audiophile, that's their strength, a major audiophile is going to spend a fortune on everything as a consumer I'm going for what sounds best.

[Reznor007]

Originally posted by blizz


and? what would be the point in that, B&W sounds better to them, and Bose sounds better to me, what do you expect from Bose? their speakers are tiny, and the thing that bose has been able to do is make speakers that sound great to the average person not the major audiophile, that's their strength, a major audiophile is going to spend a fortune on everything as a consumer I'm going for what sounds best.

The thing is, Bose is so expensive, that for a tiny amount more, you can get a much better high end speaker.

Example:

http://mirror.bose.com/home_audio/ht_speakers/am15/images/pi_am15.jpg

Bose's best home theater speaker set, price $1,300 US.

http://www.bwspeakers.com/images/photoItem/602_Black_Stand_Spec.jpg

B&W DM602-S3...$600/pair US * 2 pairs(front/rear)= $1,200 US.

http://www.bwspeakers.com/images/photoItem/pic11lcr3blackgrilleoffhori.jpg

B&W LCR3 Center speaker...$200 US.

http://www.sonystyle.com/images/medium/shots/sawm40.jpg

Sony SA-WM40 subwoofer...$180 US.

Totals:

Bose-$1,300 US
B&W-$1,580 US

Now, for a mere $280 more you can get a MUCH better, and bigger sound. Just look, the B&W speakers are 7" Kevlar cones, the Bose are about 3" paper cones...

With Bose you are buying a conevntional speaker with a pricey nameplate.

[blizz]

you missed something, size :P

http://www.bose.com/home_audio/wave_systems/awms/images/pil_awms.jpg

anyway that's what's sitting in my house, I don't want separate speakers etc... my point is that Bose are ideal for the consumer, they produce simple products which for my ears, and for at least 90% of the population's ears, sounds great, they won't hear the difference, the market for B&W is completely separate

It's like telling someone to sell their PS2 to buy a Gamecube, they're essentially the same products (they both play games) but they're developed for different markets

the same thing applies in that the US gets mini disc player in Lime Green and Blue while Europe only gets it in blue and Japan gets both colours plus orange and purple aswell.

[Reznor007]

The game console example doesn't exactly work though. With consoles you have to buy games specific to the system. With speakers, the CD's you have will work on anything.

I've included a new picture of my setup, with every updated.

[adi]

Originally posted by blizz
you missed something, size :P

http://www.bose.com/home_audio/wave_systems/awms/images/pil_awms.jpg

anyway that's what's sitting in my house, I don't want separate speakers etc... my point is that Bose are ideal for the consumer, they produce simple products which for my ears, and for at least 90% of the population's ears, sounds great, they won't hear the difference, the market for B&W is completely separate

It's like telling someone to sell their PS2 to buy a Gamecube, they're essentially the same products (they both play games) but they're developed for different markets

the same thing applies in that the US gets mini disc player in Lime Green and Blue while Europe only gets it in blue and Japan gets both colours plus orange and purple aswell.

Ladies and gentleman, we have a new contender!
THE KEF KHT 2005 satellite system:

http://www.colinwalkingtonaudio.co.nz/814a1520.jpg

Audiophile quality in lovely little silver packages with no Bose 'oceanbird airflow' technology in sight. And for £700. I want one.

[adi]

Blizz you fool! You're gonna go deaf playing games with that setup!

[blizz]

wah? are you're sure you're talking to the right person?

[B*A*G*G]

Originally posted by Reznor007
The game console example doesn't exactly work though. With consoles you have to buy games specific to the system. With speakers, the CD's you have will work on anything.

I've included a new picture of my setup, with every updated.
that sub you got was a good choice if you ask me. they're very cost friendly so consumers pick em up, and they're very loud and satisfying for picky bitch ass ho's like myself.
tho i do think sony should produce some bigger models because sometimes a 12" just isnt enough for everybody, and i wish they could redo the cabnet style and put the bass port in the front were it looks cooler.

[adi]

whoops i must have missed something. i think my post was directed at reznor

[Reznor007]

Originally posted by theacj
whoops i must have missed something. i think my post was directed at reznor

Thought so :) But I don't turn it up loud enough to do damage. I like excellent quality at a moderate volume :)

[EdgeBlade]

Reznor007 - Do you use yor montior for your VCR, N64, etc.?

Also, what all do I need for surrond sound on my computer, is it a sound card thing or just a speaker thing. I currently have a 5 speaker setup, that is if you count the subwolfer as a speaker (do you?, I have no idea...)

[Reznor007]

I use my monitor as a display device :)

I can watch everything through my computer. The VCR is connected into the receiver, then into the computer's video input card(and de-interlaced using Dscaler). Using that I can watch VHS movies or normal TV.

The 2 DVD players are connected into different Svideo connections on the receiver, then into the computer. The N64 is connected into yet another Svideo connection on the receiver(cable also works with SuperNES and Gamecube).

All I have to do is press a button on the receiver for what I want to watch :)


Now, to get surround sound for PC, you need a sound card capable of 4 channel(or more) audio. Soundblaster Live supports this(4 channel, front l/r, rear l/r). Several other sound cards do too.

For 5.1 audio from PC you need a newer sound card. SB Live 5.1 and SB Audigy support that.

For speaker count, only full range speakers count. A subwoofer is considered a .1 channel. The typical setup is this:

Front Left/Right
Rear Left/Right
Front Center
Subwoofer

That is a 5.1 system. A 6.1 system adds a rear center speaker.

[EdgeBlade]

Cool, where can I go to learn more about that? Like about Dscaler and other componets used for such a setup?

Looks like I have a 4.1 setup... Um, yay? :P

[Reznor007]

www.dscaler.com

www.3dsoundsurge.com

Basically any home theater site would be helpful.