Yah. The real big pain with it is that I have all the tools to rip them, except for 1 very very vital piece of GC software... Which is a real pain because I thought I had the right version, but don't... Interestingly, I obtained all of the tools about a year before I found out I could use them to rip games. As such, it's not really a loss that I can't rip them (since that's not why I got the stuff in the first place) just a disapointment that it doesn't work for me, when I thought I had everything I needed. Oh well. As I said, no real loss, at least. Mouser X over and out.