Did America really land on the moon in 1969?

[Josep]

I just wanted to bring this topic up cause i saw a show on tv that pointed out several cases that said that in fact America DID NOT land on the moon in 1969(pretty sure that date is right;)) But of course its tv and they don't have to tell the truth, BUT what do you guys think? I don't know the website for it, but the tv version just pointed out several things that almost seemed plausible as to why America really didn't land on the moon in 1969. If anyone has any input that'd be cool;)

[pj64er]

darn, i missed that show...twice!

[Macca]

i heard of the theory before but personally i believe that it is nothing. i believe it was real but i haven't seen all the facts so i can't really make an educated decision.

[sytaylor]

while we're at it why dont we question if Martin Really is the emulation64 server god ;) oh heck, is existance real?! People love to question things, and most of the people who question stuff liek this (conspiricy theorists) tend to look into what is not there rather than what is there, so i have to admit im sceptical as to wether or not it was "faked" and even if it was, does it matter if the later missions dont look as faked anyways?! prooves they got there in the end regardless:alien:

[mesman00]

i love this kinda stuff, its so intruging. anyways, ive been to hundreds of web sites and seen a few shows on tv about this topic. anyways, although it does make you think alot about the certain things they ponit out, you must remember they aren't including any of the evidence that proves that America DID indeeed land on the moon. although i like to question the topic,i do feel america did indeed landonthe moon.

[Tri-Force]

we only landed on the moon once according to history. I saw the same specail (or maybe it was a different one) and i even have it on tape (i didn't tape it my friend taped it for me) and i really dont know what is true and what isn't. before i was ready to say "there's no way we didn't land on the moon" but now i say "wow any thing could be true" this might come as a shock to those of you who think that i am very set in my ways and dont listen to the other side of things (anyone from the debate about God thread) but yah my oppion has been swayed to the middle

[Tri-Force]

oh yah and Buzz Aldrin (second man to step on the moon -or set-) was on Letterman talking about it. not really talking about the theory but he did a little skit where he "admitted" that they never landed on the moon

[sytaylor]

Originally posted by Tri-Force
oh yah and Buzz Aldrin (second man to step on the moon -or set-) was on Letterman talking about it. not really talking about the theory but he did a little skit where he "admitted" that they never landed on the moon

about as reliable as a peice of rice proving the existance of aliens, anyone can lie... again im not saying categrocially its not true, it just seems to be superficial evidence, it feels hacked together

[Tri-Force]

im not saying it was really an admition. it was funny you would have to see it to understand.

[vampireuk]

I read up on this a while back...there is quite a bit of evidence to go against the moon landings (btw im not saying they didnt happen so dont bite my head off) ;)

I'll see if I can find it sometime :)

[mesman00]

but remember everyone, although there is all this "evidence" denoucning the moon landing, we musn't forget all the evidence that proves that we did actually land on the moon, ie. the thousands of lbs. of moon rocks.

[Josep]

yea, i'd like to post some evidence, but i don't know only from the television show, ONE Thing i do find interesting though, only a thought, how many films have you seen of Americans hopping around on the moon? How many films have you seen of Americans playing golf on the moon? How many missions have there been since we last landed on the moon? How many other countries landed on the moon that had the same type of technology as ours?(roughly the same technology) Just a few thoughts, AND Wasn't the "SPACE RACE" a sort of a power trip so to speak for America? I mean, correct me if im wrong, the Russians got into space before us with a person in it, that showed a sign of dominance and overall competitive interest to us. SO isn't it almost implied that America HAD TO land on the moon soon after to gain back its superiority and "Super Power" status? anyone care to throw in anything?;)

[pj64er]

Originally posted by Josep
yea, i'd like to post some evidence, but i don't know only from the television show, ONE Thing i do find interesting though, only a thought, how many films have you seen of Americans hopping around on the moon? How many films have you seen of Americans playing golf on the moon? How many missions have there been since we last landed on the moon? How many other countries landed on the moon that had the same type of technology as ours?(roughly the same technology) Just a few thoughts, AND Wasn't the "SPACE RACE" a sort of a power trip so to speak for America? I mean, correct me if im wrong, the Russians got into space before us with a person in it, that showed a sign of dominance and overall competitive interest to us. SO isn't it almost implied that America HAD TO land on the moon soon after to gain back its superiority and "Super Power" status? anyone care to throw in anything?;)

yes there was a lot of pressure for US to reach the moon first. JFK even gave NASA a due date! but that does not mean they faked it. NASA coulda worked real hard, with the best minds, and loads of $$$ (they were backed by the government, which really did threw tons in). no real evidance against or with.

btw, both USA and USSR were considered Superpowers. they didnt hav to fight for that status. they were just competing for the hell of it, a democracy vs communism thing.

[Smiff]

yes

[Josep]

ok, first off, smiff?! uh, random, at least support your answer, hehe, BUT correct me if i'm wrong, i probably am:) BUT wasn't Russia at that time in the middle of going down the toliet? Like falling a part from the inside? i actually forget all the exact dates with russia, ussr, and all that, but maybe this is all irrelevent;) seriously though, no one has looked at some of my questions in the last post that don't need much research on, i'd guess, to understand how odd it is, or could be;) note to self, TOO many commas;)

[Renegade]

America never reached the moon.
Americans reached the moon in '69.

[Josep]

hehe, omg, whatever, anyone care to argue a bit more about the topic? not the name of the topic;)

[DuDe]

Frankly, who gives a flying f*ck? I couldn`t care less if they did or didn`t get to the moon. It wouldn`t have changed my life even a bit if the American government would have admitted tomorrow that the whole thing was a hoax.

[vampireuk]

Amen it doesnt matter, just like most arguments that go on;)

[Josep]

yea but this is a forum, and the whole point of forums is either problem solving or debates, you do anything else in here, like getting a date or something i strongly suggest something else;)

[Remote]

Originally posted by Renegade
America never reached the moon.
Americans reached the moon in '69.

Good point... Now that we have cleared that up, I must ask what is wrong with some of you... Of course they landed on the moon... The people who pretend that they did not, it was a part of the cold war and an even bigger part of an even bigger conspiration, are the same people who believe in aliens, or similar things which most people find unlikely... All the evidence they have is a couple of photographies which they claim are taken in the deserts outside the aclimed UFO crashsite Area 51... They also claim that the shadows are wrong, but since they have never been to or on the moon how could they know...

[Slougi]

Hmm I missed this discussion. What evidence is there against the moon landings?

[Martin]

People questioning the landing on the moon in '69 define stupidity and ignorance. Not everything has a conspiracy theory.

[Stalkid64]

NOTE: I`ve been far too lazy to read this whole thread, so if any of this has been posted previously, `copying` has been unintentional.

I seem to remember there was a tv special (FOX network or something like that aired it) which gave all this "evidence" that the moon landings were faked too. There is an entire multi-page report which takes each piece of this supposed evidence and scientifically proves it wrong, with even a few simple experiments you can do yourself to show it. Read it for yourselves conspiracy theorists! (http://pirlwww.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/NOT_faked/FOX.html)

A couple of more choice pieces;

"No stars in the images;

As usual, this was about the first argument used by the Hoax believers to debunk the lunar landing. We see no stars in the images because the images are exposed for the bright sunlit scenes. The stars are too faint to show up on the images due to their short exposure."
You can PROVE this to yourself if need be - go take a photo of the sky when the stars are out with an average camera. Oh look... blackness.

And to one of the favourite bits of "inevidence"

"Shadows go in wrong directions, not parallel;

The hoax proponents apparently don't understand simple convergence - the disappearing point which elementary school art students learn about in order to draw roads or railroad tracks disappearing into the distance. The shadows, though parallel from overhead, look to be going in different directions from the perspective of a person on the ground. You can see the same effects here on Earth. The most used image by the hoaxers is from Apollo 14 where the Lunar Module appears in the distance to be casting a horizontal shadow while the shadows of the rocks in the foreground are angled towards the camera. However, if you look closely at the LM shadow and the LM itself, you'll see the LM partly lit - similarly to the rocks in the foreground along the same direction and you can see that the shadow is not horizontal, but is greatly foreshortened. As usual, just a casual examination of the evidence contradicts the hoaxers argument.

The lunar surface is also very undulating with hills and craters in great abundance. Shadows appear longer if they go down a slope on the sunward side of a crater or hill or appear shorter on a slope that faces into the sun. Hills and craters can also change the apparent direction of a shadow to make it look non-parallel with adjacent shadows."

Actually, that entire report is highly recommended reading... damn those pesky things like facts that get in the way of peoples sad dillusions. ;)

[sytaylor]

Originally posted by Martin
People questioning the landing on the moon in '69 define stupidity and ignorance. Not everything has a conspiracy theory.

but there are people with far too much time and far little sense making them up:sleepy:

[vampireuk]

Originally posted by sytaylor


but there are people with far too much time and far little sense making them up:sleepy:

Not really, if you read the files you will see there is some really strong evidence not just people making things up:!!!:

[DuDe]

Heh, "strong evidence". Creating evidence is rather easy if you have the time. There`s a bestseller in France now, that "prooves" that the 9/11 attacks were actually an inside work by the government. Not to talk about the lovely books that "proove" that the Israeli Mossad security network had done it. And it`s ten times easier to "proove" that the Americans have never landed the moon, since the only proofs of that landing are a few low quality black and white videos.

[Remote]

The chances of them making up the lunar landing are very slim, next to unexistant, but if it would turn out to be a conspiracy I must say that I'm impressed...

[Tri-Force]

i agree with remote. if this was faked then wow i want to work with those producers and set designers and directors when i make my major movie. but along with the evidence that says "no" there is the little things that say "yes" for example Neil Armstrongs first words on the moon being eaten by the audio. what he says is "thats one small step for A man" not "that's one small step for man" if this was something done in a studio then dont you think that the audio would have been perfect.
but since i dont know what's true or not now as i stated in my other posts i will play the devils advocate and say that the most swaying piece of evidence against it is the strike marks on the cameras. some above somebelow some not at all. weird isn't it.

[DuDe]

Originally posted by Tri-Force
what he says is "thats one small step for A man" not "that's one small step for man" if this was something done in a studio then dont you think that the audio would have been perfect.

Ah, but you can look at it as a reverse psychology. Think about it : if the audio had been perfect, it would be some kind of a proof to the fact that the landing is fake. So, what they do, is deliberately edit the words a bit, so that it would sound authentic.

[Tri-Force]

i KNEW someone would say that.

[Stalkid64]

Of course! Those wacky NASA scientists edited the audio during a live broadcast... they just booted up cooledit and... oh wait, what live audio editing tech existed in 1969 again? ;)
Seriously, go check that recommended reading then try again...

[Remote]

Stallkid64: How do you know it was a live broadcast?

[Tri-Force]

and thats a point for Remote. remember that if someone is saying that it was all staged then it they are implying that it was not live but filmed. becasue remember that the Astronots were in fact in space at the time of the boradcast.

[Davemc]

the first man on the moon must of been the cameraman who filmed it.

he was on the moon while the armstrong was getting off

[Slougi]

Yes that is something i have always wondered as well.

[Davemc]

just proves it's all a hoax

[Josep]

hehe, whoa, i didn't know people kept posting in here;) Also how did Nasa's ship land on the moon that nicely? According to Nasa's calculations we didn't have enough technology to have the space craft withstand the disturbances around the moon, ANd how many peolple have we OR anyone else have put on the moon...??:)

[Remote]

Originally posted by dayve

he was on the moon while the armstrong was getting off

Hmm, maybe you are refering to the adult version, because there is now they would do a live broadcast with Neil Armstrong getting off...

Although I haven't seen the movie in a couple of years, I have a vague memory of the camera man filming from the outside, e.g on the moon, which would indeed make him the first man on the moon. And eventhough if they were on the moon there is no way to really know if they broadcasted it as it arrived to earth, they could have broadcasted it and made sure that everything went ok. I seriously doubt that they would release footage showing a failed mission, they would rather blame the lack on footage on techinal errors. We all know that poeple have been to the moon, it's not a conspiracy, a hoax or even a devious trick, it's the raw truth. I haven't really checked this but if you look at the location of the alleged lunar landing you are able to see the leftovers. And does anyone know how many people that has actually been to the moon?

One thing that I've always wondered about it the face on the moon surface, with human recemblances. Does anyone know what I'm talking about? What's your view of that, it look to real to be a coincidence but it's definetely not man made since mankind has never been to that part of the moon.

[Davemc]

definately a coincidence

[Stalkid64]

Is it just me, or is this getting really *really* pathetically sad..? Firstly, well, what disturbances exactly are there around the moon in a total vacuum? Oops! There`s a whopping huge hole again...
Secondly, I`m pretty sure the camera is MOUNTED ON THE DAMN CAPSULE if I remember that footage... oh well, nice try.
Seriously, just... I dunno, go watch the X-Files or whatever you conspiracy theorists do these days. It`s just looking really stupid now.

[Remote]

You had me at, the first, 'really'...

[Josep]

Originally posted by Josep

ANd how many peolple have we OR anyone else have put on the moon since 1969...??:)

thats my question to everyone

[Slougi]

lol. I am not saying this is some sort of hoax, just that armstrong was not necessarily the first man on the moon.

[Josep]

i'm guessing maybe a camera on the space craft itself, cause who said a camera man went up to space with those three guys?? thats my case against that part, but still about my other question up above....^

[Stalkid64]

I can think of at least one picture of the lunar lander that shows the camera mounted outside... were you similarly confused as to how they got footage looking down from the lander at the moon surface while the thing was landing?
This is just too easy now... *sigh*

[MrDetermination]

Jesus Christ on a stick.

Did you people even read Stalkid64's link? There are many more like it... the moon landing happened, it's pretty much common sense unless you're stupid enough to buy off on the crap they feed you at FOX networks.

You people keep having this "discussion" amongst yourselves without bothering to educate yourselves first. Can your brains only handle the poorly punctuated one line responses or what?

[Remote]

I, for one did, however I consider it a good habit not to trust random sources of info on the net... Nobody is saying that the moon landing didn't take place, scroll back a couple of pages and you'll find a post made by yours truly... I have never seen nor heard of the FOX network but since you have I take it as you are a fan of theirs... In response to the following line, without bothering to educate yourselves first, there is only one thing that pops up in my mind - get real, fuck off and go and watch FOX...

[MrDetermination]

I, for one did, however I consider it a good habit not to trust random sources of info on the net...

And yet the source being posters in this thread is adequate for discussion?

I don't watch TV... I'm too addicted to my computer and books. DVDs and movies... but I haven't watched FOX in ages.

This whole theory was widely propagated by a FOX special last year. There were multiple threads in another community I post in and it took us about 3 weeks to completely dissect the crap FOX put out in to mainstream society. This thread is residual crap from that same crappy show on a crappy network.


I have never seen nor heard of the FOX network but since you have I take it as you are a fan of theirs

Hey,

You've heard of MrDetermination now. I guess you're a fan of mine.

I'm sorry sir. No autographs.

[Remote]

Originally posted by MrDetermination


And yet the source being posters in this thread is adequate for discussion?



Before this discussion turns into a vendetta I would like to point out a couple of things.

Has this alleged source you are refering to had any impact on this thread? No, it hasn't. Did I care to read this alleged source allegedly about the alleged lunar landing? Yes, but that still doesn't change anything.




Hey,

You've heard of MrDetermination now. I guess you're a fan of mine.

I'm sorry sir. No autographs.

You heartbreaker you, you break my heart...???

[Stalkid64]

Considering I`m in the UK quite how I can be a fan of an American network is beyond me really, I just know they aired the show that brought most of this out, as MrDetermination says... though I`m sure as I have you`ve probably heard of, say, The X-Files, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Angel, Futurama, The Simpsons..? Even I know them as Fox network shows... "20th Century Fox" in films ring a bell..?
Anyway, irrelevantis in extremis. That source I give isn`t `random info.` It`s based in pure science FACT. Not conspiracy fiction. Go look, its all fully provable stuff. Mostly I believe some of you just don`t like being proved wrong. Because you know, that would take guts to admit...
*Stalkid64 gets p1ssed when people speak before they research*

[Tri-Force]

Originally posted by Remote


Before this discussion turns into a vendetta I would like to point out a couple of things.

Has this alleged source you are refering to had any impact on this thread? No, it hasn't. Did I care to read this alleged source allegedly about the alleged lunar landing? Yes, but that still doesn't change anything.



You heartbreaker you, you break my heart...???

I would like to thank the Clintion Administration for making the word alleged a part of everyday life

[Stalkid64]

LMAO :)

[blizz]

some people won't believe until they hold it in their hand.

unless of course they doubt their senses... ah increasing paranoia into sophism :D

[DuDe]

Originally posted by DuDe_
Frankly, who gives a flying f*ck? I couldn`t care less if they did or didn`t get to the moon. It wouldn`t have changed my life even a bit if the American government would have admitted tomorrow that the whole thing was a hoax.

Doesn`t that just perfectly summarize the whole debate?

[Remote]

Yeah, very true. If they would have revealed the alleged conspiracy back when it was a giant leap for mankind, most people would probaly have taken notice and felt decieved. Today most younger people aren't amazed by it at all. Hey, people go to the moon everyday, my dad practically works there...:satisfied