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[Azimer]

I need help deciding what to choose to concentrate on among:
Apollo, Audio, Graphics, or other research (compatibility related stuff). I don't really like polls, but I will make an exception on this since I am so indecisive.

[Remote]

I can see why you are uncertain about what you should do with your limited time, it is a big workload to cover that much territory... in a perfect world I would like all #4. However you have been doing audio for a long time and you are getting closer and closer to perfection, so instead of putting it on hold, finish it. Bring it to the level you had in mind when you started it, perhaps the speed increase could be the inspiration and motivation you need. And then make another poll so that we can help you to decide what you should work on next... :D

[hotshitu]

Originally posted by Remote
.... However you have been doing audio for a long time and you are getting closer and closer to perfection, so instead of putting it on hold, finish it. Bring it to the level you had in mind when you started it, perhaps the speed increase could be the inspiration and motivation you need. ... :D

Amen to that.

[CpU MasteR]

Originally posted by Remote
I can see why you are uncertain about what you should do with your limited time, it is a big workload to cover that much territory... in a perfect world I would like all #4. However you have been doing audio for a long time and you are getting closer and closer to perfection, so instead of putting it on hold, finish it. Bring it to the level you had in mind when you started it, perhaps the speed increase could be the inspiration and motivation you need. And then make another poll so that we can help you to decide what you should work on next... :D

Damn Sraght!

[Gent]

You have always seemed to make the right choice
in what you have focused on AZ !
The Audio Plugin Could do with being a little more Intel Friendly,
But is still a Danm Fine Plugin.
Graphics, i should think is best left until you are happy with the Audio Side of things.
Apollo: /Me plays Hydro Thunder,Tarzan, etc without fiddling with settings :)
But i cant Cheat :angry:
The Latter, would be a nice add ;) ;) :)
I'd say the Audio & then Apollo Az.

But if you dont like what i just said,
:look: We're still M8's Right :look: :blush:

[pj64er]

for me, azimer's audio is basically on par with jabo's LLE audio. only in special situations do u see(hear) the difference.

i voted for gfx because i think n64 emulation needs a good ogl plugin, and azimer looks like hes up to it.

appollo would be third...since it would be least apreciated (in a crowd of pj64, 1964, nemu).

i hav no idea what the fourth meant, do u mean more reverse engineering of the n64?

good luck azimer, whichever u choose. :appollo:

[Azimer]

Does the Audio/Video race have to be so close ?

[Epic64]

The answers easy Az!

Just do Apollo instead ;)

oh! and get off my ass!

[Pixi]

Audio :)

[Doomulation]

Audio. LLE would be nice.

[Smiff]

For God's sake, finish the audio!

[pj64er]

Originally posted by Doomulation
Audio. LLE would be nice.

why LLE? do u want azimer to make a whole new plugin?

the point (for me at least) of using azimer's audio plugin is because it is HLE, with speed and options.

an LLE audio is available (if ur not aware) bundled with pj64(Jabo's LLE Sound).do u notice it is slower than azimer's and there is 2 options to play with? because it is LLE, i'd imagine all LLE plugins will hav little to no options to play with.

[Doomulation]

Mmkay. This is why I want LLE:

1) My computer is very fast so I will likely see no loss of performance.
2) LLE won't be as crackly and hard to use as HLE.
3) I don't care about the speed.
4) The less options to be confused with; the better.
5) Yes, I know that jabo's sound is LLE. And that it comes with pj. But it isn't compitable with 1964.

[Slougi]

Doom you're a fool :angry:
Hle can work just as well as lle, it needs more time to develope but is faster and potentially nicer sounding. I am quite sure that jabo's lle plugin can be incorporated into 1964 using the rsp interpreter/recompiler from PJ64, the source is available.
And some people have slower pc's, me included, and i greatly appreciate any speed boost i can get.

[pj64er]

Originally posted by Doomulation
5) Yes, I know that jabo's sound is LLE. And that it comes with pj. But it isn't compitable with 1964.

...i thought u knew this, but Jabo's LLE doesnt work on 1964 because it is LLE. if azimer makes a LLE audio, it wont work on 1964 either.

[Doomulation]

I am not a fool.
Hle can work just as well as lle, it needs more time to develope but is faster and potentially nicer sounding.
True. But everything should be LLE in the end, isn't it? Besides, I think of LLE better than HLE.

I am quite sure that jabo's lle plugin can be incorporated into 1964 using the rsp interpreter/recompiler from PJ64, the source is available.
That's true as well. That would be good, then we wouldn't need LLE plugin from Azi. That's a good one. But who's gonna do it ???

And some people have slower pc's, me included, and i greatly appreciate any speed boost i can get.
Did I say to throw HLE away?

[pj64er]

Originally posted by Doomulation
True. But everything should be LLE in the end, isn't it? Besides, I think of LLE better than HLE.

not everything should be LLE in the end, fool. if we had LLE gfx on n64 emus, the results would be slow and blurry. is that what u want, fool?


LOL, u set urself up for this :D

[Smiff]

Doomulation, you are a fool. Didn't I ban you before?

If Azimer can just carry on the way he's going that would be great.

[Gent]

Here, here, Mr Smiff.

[Doomulation]

Smiff: You banned me for no reason, so Martin unbanned me. And it's just suggestions.

pj64er: Some things can't be done in HLE what I know. So things must turn out to be LLE sometimes I guess ???

[pj64er]

Originally posted by Doomulation
pj64er: Some things can't be done in HLE what I know. So things must turn out to be LLE sometimes I guess ???

LOL

1st sentence: n64 emulation is not possible remember?

2nd sentence: wrong again, fool!

[Doomulation]

Then I take it you don't know what I mean.
Oh yeah anyway then...
HLE rocks and LLE sucks. That's how you want it, right?
Then I guess more work on the plugin is needed since it cracks and does all kinds of weird things sometimes.

[pj64er]

Originally posted by Doomulation
Then I take it you don't know what I mean.
Oh yeah anyway then...
HLE rocks and LLE sucks. That's how you want it, right?
Then I guess more work on the plugin is needed since it cracks and does all kinds of weird things sometimes.

lol, i was just playing with ya. :D
thx for being a sport.

LLE doesnt suck. it has its place. Jabo's LLE audio is about as good as it gets, AFAIK. if ur pc is so good, azimer's audio shouldnt crack. u prolly hav a setting wrong, but thats for another thread.

[Doomulation]

Sometimes it sounds absurd. And the quality isn't as good as Jabo's. That's what I tried to say.

[Smiff]

(Sorry to go OT, i'll delete all these posts after we're done.)

Doomulation, message me with the reason I banned you last time, and get it right, or i'll ban you again. I'll also ask Martin not to unban you this time.

[Azimer]

I feel quite strongly on this issue (obviously).

Step #1 - Doom, you are obviously a Project64 mark, but so is Smiff and his judgement isn't impaired. Try something for me once Sir lover of LLE. Use my audio plugin in LLE (don't send Audio Lists to the plugin). Record a sample to a wave file. Play it. Turn on Audio Lists to the plugin. Repeat the test. Compare the two samples. Do you notice a different (for the average test case... especially about "crackles")? I'm afraid you don't. Like Jabo, I am also a perfectionist of sorts in what I do.

Step #2 - Everything can be done in HLE. I proved that quite vividly with MP3 and (soon to be) MusyX. Realize this.

Step #3 - Everything should be LLE in the end? LLE is better then HLE? Uhhh... for pure accuracy... I agree. But doesn't that mean R4300 Cores should be Cycle accurate and Jabo's Graphics should be in Software Rendering mode using a software rasterizer he built? Think about what you are saying.

Step #4 - One thing I agree with Lemmy about is the lack of uniqueness Project64 specs bring to all the emulators. Would you REALLY WANT Project64 Part 2 in 1964 ? Think about that as well.

Step #5 - I started my Audio plugin because there was a need for Audio back in the day of TR64 (over a year ago). If that was never the case, I would have never started. Realize that I HATE wasting my time on useless things. And also realize the only fun I get out of my Audio.DLL is FROM HLE... I HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE making Audio Code (like the AudioCode-Only plugs in Jabo's/Zilmar's). I would have never started. Would this have been a bad thing? Ask yourself this.

Step #6 - Think of a rebuttle and post it here. I don't take lightly people disregarding things I spent hours of labor on because of misconceptions.

[Doomulation]

Originally posted by Azimer
I feel quite strongly on this issue (obviously).

Step #1 - Doom, you are obviously a Project64 mark, but so is Smiff and his judgement isn't impaired. Try something for me once Sir lover of LLE. Use my audio plugin in LLE (don't send Audio Lists to the plugin). Record a sample to a wave file. Play it. Turn on Audio Lists to the plugin. Repeat the test. Compare the two samples. Do you notice a different (for the average test case... especially about "crackles")? I'm afraid you don't. Like Jabo, I am also a perfectionist of sorts in what I do.

Mmkay...............
Ummm... to say, I've had problems with your plugin. At least in 1964, I think, maybe that's it. And...well, I trust LLE more than HLE, 'cuz in LLE you wouldn't need these "hacks". But I guess there's no problems with the plugin.

Step #2 - Everything can be done in HLE. I proved that quite vividly with MP3 and (soon to be) MusyX. Realize this.
Okay, I got that.

Step #3 - Everything should be LLE in the end? LLE is better then HLE? Uhhh... for pure accuracy... I agree. But doesn't that mean R4300 Cores should be Cycle accurate and Jabo's Graphics should be in Software Rendering mode using a software rasterizer he built? Think about what you are saying.

I don't know TOO much about emulators. Not the technical part. I know that switching to LLE now would be a mistake. Since eveything can be made in HLE, I guess there shouldn't be any changing to LLE at all...

Step #4 - One thing I agree with Lemmy about is the lack of uniqueness Project64 specs bring to all the emulators. Would you REALLY WANT Project64 Part 2 in 1964 ? Think about that as well.
I don't care if Pj is included in 1964 at all. But it's just that I don't like 1964 'cuz of all the bugs. No offense. And, well, exmaple when trying to open plugin (audio) configuration, it sometimes hangs. And 1964 results in a worse sound-quality than pj.

Step #5 - I started my Audio plugin because there was a need for Audio back in the day of TR64 (over a year ago). If that was never the case, I would have never started. Realize that I HATE wasting my time on useless things. And also realize the only fun I get out of my Audio.DLL is FROM HLE... I HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE making Audio Code (like the AudioCode-Only plugs in Jabo's/Zilmar's). I would have never started. Would this have been a bad thing? Ask yourself this.
Ummm... I can't quite answer this one...

Step #6 - Think of a rebuttle and post it here. I don't take lightly people disregarding things I spent hours of labor on because of misconceptions.
Mmkay. So I suppose your plugins is equal, and that it's 1964's fault.

[Azimer]

Man o man Doom! You are comparing my audio in 1964 with my Jabo's audio is Project64?! Talk about an unequal comparison. Thanks for the misrepresentation. :angry:

[Doomulation]

Originally posted by Azimer
Man o man Doom! You are comparing my audio in 1964 with my Jabo's audio is Project64?! Talk about an unequal comparison. Thanks for the misrepresentation. :angry:
Why I didn't know the diffrence!

[Doomulation]

I usually tend to use Jabo's plugin in Pj, and 'cuz it doesn't work in 1964, I use yours.
... :blush:
Erm, sorry then... unfair compare.

[flow``]

doom - then please get your **** straight ?

if you're going to compare, at least do it with the same emu, same rom, and same settings..

azimer is extremely busy, and does everything he does [and eventually releases it] with the goodness of his heart. he doesnt have to write another single line of code, or release anything if he doesnt want to. i suggest you be happy with what you're given..

as far as LLE with the audio, name 5 things wrong with the current state of his HLE plugin [apart from musyx, and his bug list which he released with apollo 0.30 i believe] and maybe he would even take a second to think about it..

[Doomulation]

Forget what I said!
I didn't really know the diffrence.
And forget LLE. Forget what I said about that too.

[Azimer]

Enough of this. I won't have this on my board. I am moving this to Moved by Moderators. :-/


Please notice:
This plugin was tested to run only on PJ64. Any use of
this plugin on any other emulator may have undesired results.
Use at your own risk.

- readme.txt

[Teamz]

it sounds like a tv-show or something lol

[Epic64]

Aww you boys always spoil it for the rest of us! Don't p**s Azi off he's my m8. French maid anyone?

[Reznor007]

Originally posted by Azimer
Step #3 - Everything should be LLE in the end? LLE is better then HLE? Uhhh... for pure accuracy... I agree. But doesn't that mean R4300 Cores should be Cycle accurate and Jabo's Graphics should be in Software Rendering mode using a software rasterizer he built? Think about what you are saying.

Technically, you can still do LLE and use hardware 3d for high res graphics. This is what PSX emulators do. Zinc(arcade PSX hardware emu) does it too.

[gokuss4]

well just to say i think you should work on yur audio plug-in all the way until its perfect and make the buffer size instead the minimum of 0.5 buffer size try 0.0 ^_^. if its possible.