Spunky gonna love Crapssini

[Squaresoft74]

The lamers did it again and even worse this time.

Here's some of the few things you can find in their latest "release"

http://marsouillos.free.fr/req/crapssini3.png


Spunky's original cheat program.
http://marsouillos.free.fr/req/crapssini4.png

Another exemple :
http://marsouillos.free.fr/req/crapssini1.png

Isn't this familiar ? :whistling
http://www.geocities.com/cdmage/
http://marsouillos.free.fr/req/crapssini2.png

[Trotterwatch]

LOL, what a group of unadulterated eijits.

[Haruspex]

Squaresoft74 you are damn right!

I cant believe it!This time it goes too far...

But...

Isnt cassini the best saturn emulator or not?

Even if the code and the programs are all stolen.

Edit Off-Topic Warning-Wow! Look at my posts i joined feb 2005 & i only have 3 posts.

[Squaresoft74]

Squaresoft74 you are damn right!

I cant believe it!This time it goes too far...

But...

Isnt cassini the best saturn emulator or not?

Even if the code and the programs are all stolen.

Cassini itself is nothing.
The "original" commercial GiriGiri is the good emulator that desserve the credit , not that repacked shit.

Still if you have a recent cpu supporting sse2 instructions, SSF is the Saturn emulator of choice atm.
http://www7a.biglobe.ne.jp/~phantasy/ssf/index.html

[Haruspex]

Originally Posted By Squaresoft74


Cassini itself is nothing.
The "original" commercial GiriGiri is the good emulator that desserve the credit , not that repacked shit.

Still if you have a recent cpu supporting sse2 instructions, SSF is the Saturn emulator of choice atm.

yes i know the story about giri giri & damn no i dont have a cpu that supports the sse2 instructions.

I just have an amd sempron 2400+

[PsyMan]

I wonder if there is something in this project that it's not stolen... Probably there isn't.

[Squaresoft74]

no i dont have a cpu that supports the sse2 instructions.

I just have an amd sempron 2400+

The upcoming Satourne 2.0 should do the job for you then.

[Trotterwatch]

Squaresoft74 you are damn right!

I cant believe it!This time it goes too far...

But...

Isnt cassini the best saturn emulator or not?

Even if the code and the programs are all stolen.

Edit Off-Topic Warning-Wow! Look at my posts i joined feb 2005 & i only have 3 posts.

Cassini IS one of the best Saturn Emulators, but that is only by virtue of Giri Giri hacked being one of the best Saturn Emulators (seeing as this just steals in whole Giri Giri hacked, and then steals a few more utilities - then it would be considered by association 'good').

This is however not ever going to have increased compatability, a fancy plugin system etc The 'programmers' (lol) don't have source code, nor have they shown the ability to do anything more than a cheap and very lame resource hack.

If they were to rename it Giri Giri hack - and stop with the pathetic pretence that they have added anything original to it, then maybe then I'd give it a bit more respect.

[Elly]

Blah, they never give up do they...

Yours,
-Elly

[spunky]

what to hell is that, damn cassinishit :term:

[Keith]

It's sad a good majority of the other emulation sites post news about it and spread the word about it. A year ago we did our best to stop development but this time around I am going to take an ignore stance and just let whatever happens happen ..

[Squaresoft74]

This time around I am going to take an ignore stance and just let whatever happens happen ..
I agree they shouldn't be newsed at all on any decent emulation site.
But on the other hand it should be pointed out to the mass they're nothing but lamers who steal others' work and will never bring a single improvement to the emulator itself.
Way too many people quote this emulator as something "real".

Spunky , i'd be really curious to see what kind of crappy excuse they would give you for the leak/hack of your program.
At least if they ever reply. :yucky:

[Keith]

Seems worthy of a post I guess .. ah hell time to spread some truth over at EF. :)

Thanks for the information Squaresoft74. ;)

[spunky]

but one good thing, the cheater works not with cassini :evil:

[deathace]

squaresoft74, what is that skin you are using?

[Squaresoft74]

StyleXP (http://www.tgtsoft.com)'s Panther skin.

[Derek]

Since nothing has changed, we'll just regurgitate the same post we made a year ago over at emuhelp ;)


First and foremost, this appears to be nothing more than a no-so-elaborate hack. Releasing disassembled ASM hardly qualifies it as “Open Source”, and adding a front-end does not constitute a new project. To claim so is a slap in the face to all the hard work emulator authors have put in over the years.

Ignoring that point, and assuming that the merits of the “continued” GiriGiri are true, it is hardly legal. The Cassini team claims a few things that are simply not true. They claim that Sega did not renew their copyright, and thus the emulator has entered into the Public Domain. As proof, they have been using an e-mail from Sega of America Technical Support.

First, as anyone who has ever contacted a corporate customer support line, I wouldn’t feel comfortable letting most support technicians walk my dog, let alone decide the legal status of intellectual property. Lawyers are needed to renounce a copyright, not low level technical support.

Second, copyrights are not up for renewal, and could not yet have expired. Neither in US Law, Japanese law, or from the Berne Convention for the Protection of Literary and Artistic Works (1971, http://www.law.cornell.edu/treaties/berne/overview.html ) does a copyright expire any earlier than 50 years after the work has been made available to the public. From Article VII of the Berne Convention:

(1) The term of protection granted by this Convention shall be the life of the author and fifty years after his death.
…
(3) In the case of anonymous or pseudonymous works, the term of protection granted by this Convention shall expire fifty years after the work has been lawfully made available to the public. However, when the pseudonym adopted by the author leaves no doubt as to his identity, the term of protection shall be that provided in paragraph (1). If the author of an anonymous or pseudonymous work discloses his identity during the above-mentioned period, the term of protection applicable shall be that provided in paragraph (1). The countries of the Union shall not be required to protect anonymous or pseudonymous works in respect of which it is reasonable to presume that their author has been dead for fifty years.


GiriGiri is NOT in the Public Domain. At best, it is abandonware, which is still illegal to redistribute as your own. Even that distinction is questionable. As per EmuHelp policy, we do not condone the distribution of illegal software.

It is Team Cassini’s responsibility to prove that the intellectual property has fallen into Public Domain use. The Burden of Proof is on them. If an e-mail from a technical support representative, who’s not qualified to make that decision, from a company who doesn’t even own the copyright (the e-mail came from Sega of America, Sega of Japan is the legal copyright owner), and who tells them to contact the Legal Department, is enough proof for Team Cassini, so be it. If they do not feel the need to look up copyright law, and to take “Sandi’s” advice and further inquire with the Legal Department, then that is their prerogative. However, at EmuHelp, we are going to be a little more responsible in these matters. Until legal notice from Sega of Japan, we will consider GiriGiri to still be property of Sega.

Ignorance is not an acceptable defense in a court of law.

[retroK]

http://s3.invisionfree.com/Cassani_Forums/index.php?showtopic=177

they dont learn...

[Squaresoft74]

And off course you'll notice in the 1st post there is absolutly no mention of the facts/screenshots posted here.
They simply quoted selected parts to make it looks like free flaming.

.:stupid:

[Trotterwatch]

I love the idiots on that board who think we're the ones being dumb for not 'reading'. Fuck if they followed the same philosophy, we'd be all in agreeance (though one suspects their brain capacity is similar to that of an amoeba, so perhaps not.)

[raiden_quake]

Just a hack ver……

cassini is noting

Damn it

[Martin]

Kieth, you're teh evilest! :P

[Keith]

Yeah guess I am a "flaming piece of shit" who is destroying the Saturn "Scene".

1). I never flamed and always approached this discussion now and a year ago with total respect. Speaking the truth is not flaming.

2). Cassini does not equal the Saturn "Scene" .. this is the only project I will not support for obvious reasons. I have always supported true Saturn projects and I am even friends with most of the developers.

*Keith is teh evil admin :rolleyes:

[_Chrono_]

Rock on Keith :D

Snail can go to hell if you ask me..he'll eventually run out of tools to hack in his bundle release called crapssini...

[Squaresoft74]

http://s3.invisionfree.com/Cassani_Forums/index.php?showtopic=177
Any people who asked embarassing questions got their post deleted , got banned and of course the thread is now closed. :whistling
I could snap one of those before it got deleted :saint:

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/6871/snap0ck.th.png (http://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snap0ck.png)

This just clearly show they do anything to hide the truth from their users. :happy:

If someone isn't guitly of something , he/she just don't run away to avoid facts.

[cooliscool]

... I'd love to go to each of their houses individually and torture them ...

[Trotterwatch]

Just PM the ones who are defending it with a copy of that post :) See what happens if even their own eijit fans start turning on them.

[Darkfox]

I even posted a reply saying it was not a flame... snd that it would be best it was answered, it neither insulted nor destroyed anything but merely addressed a few issues that should be taken seriously... really there was no need to delete that post, I fear I'll just get banned as well for my attempts at a more peacable resolve... maybe I should keep my mouth shut but I'm wanting an answer that is direct without stooping to calling each other retards or ejits or other such talk, from both sides.

Though from what I have said already about a diplomacy, sombody tried just that, and as we all know it got deleted. I dunno, maybe I should not become involved since it's really working on my nerves, I've been trying to see this on both sides but... hm... I just don't know, but deleteing these posts isn't makeing it any easier... -_- I just don't know, I myself am against plagarism, but I'm willing to give a guy many a chance if he can confront it and work out somthing at the very least.

Edit: Meh... in any case I've found SSF R9 to work well enough, it'll keep me tied over until Satourne 2.0 is released.

Oh and btw, I'm not one of those fans, it was just it was the only thing that ran FEDA Remake propperly at the time until my discovery with R9 of SSF, I'm wondering if it's possible to get it to work with the current Satourne? If so I'd appreciate the help :).

[Keith]

Welcome to ET Darkfox. Our only goal has been to get the truth out there and to defend other peoples projects. It is pretty sad that Snail refuses to answer the claims directly. He tends to dance around the truth just like he did a year ago and never did answer anything directly. I am not really surprised by it. I am not sure who was flaming on their forums but I can assure you that person does not represent this site (or my site).

[Darkfox]

Yes, there was a flamer who posted there and called them a "stinky dumbass" :happy: lol, I didn't really think he was an associate now, but I believe the other guy who talked very peacibly and intelligently was, yet he too was turned down... this is only going to get worser and worser at this rate.

Oh and thanks for the welcome ^^. And btw, I feel quite passionately towards emulation, and it hurts me so to see good projects fade.

[Squaresoft74]

No one here flame them.
As far as i know you flame someone when you attack/insult/rant a personn with absolutly no reason.
What has been posted here are facts/proofs showing they once more stole and hack other's work with no permission at all , i hardly call this flaming.

As for the title i gave "Crapssini " , well what else could they expect ?
Maybe some flowers and applause for their act ?
I consider i remained extremy soft and didn't go into any pure evil rude swearing at all unlike they seem to try to make people believe on their board.

Anyway i'm glad Darkfox you came here and check by yourself.
That is a very clever step you made and i hope many others currently fooled people will do the same and realize who was really lying them. :flowers:

[Darkfox]

In any case, I took a preemtive to copy and log Onimaru's post. But I'm hopeing Snail or barnito won't delete it and rather answer it directly and honestly, this is by far not a witch hunt but more so of a hunt for answers. If this can be resolved, I think it would be best for all of us and would surely earn them respect for honesty and directness, and I consider that a key in such matters as this one.

Btw, I wasn't an "ejit Cassini fan" I'm an "ejit FEDA fan" XD... thats the prime reason I stuck around.

[Trotterwatch]

I'll refrain from too many insults ;) Though I will 100% not rescined the eijits accusation levelled at Barnito/Snail et al. For that is what they are.

Never have registered on their site though, wouldn't waste my time to be honest.

[Darkfox]

Well thats good enough. You can't blame people for wanting somthing to believe in, it's human nature, not ignorance. :)

[Keith]

I don't blame people for using it or liking it. GiriGiri is a great emulator (which Cassini is just a gui hack of) .. very little and I mean very little credit for its performance should go to Snail for its progress and performance. Compare GiriGiri and Cassini and you will see almost no difference in performance.

[PsyMan]

Well thats good enough. You can't blame people for wanting somthing to believe in, it's human nature, not ignorance. :)
That's what we try to do here... The "Cassini" guys make people believe in something that has nothing new to offer and we try to make these people "open their eyes" without forcing them to do it.
The things stated here are facts and can be verified by downloading the original tools and info that were created and released long before the first "Cassini" release. If you compare the original files/info with the ones included with "Cassini" you'll figure out that they are eventually the same tools/info without any major changes.

The "Cassini" guys also claim that there are many major changes in the emulator itself (40% code rewrite if I remember correctly). If you compare "Cassini" with the commercial version of Giri giri (its commercial name was Giri Saturn) or its hacked version that was released somewhere in 2003 (long before "Cassini") you'll also notice that there are not any speed or compatibility improvements except the ones that can be achieved by editing the "games.dat" file that comes with Giri Saturn (if you copy the "games.dat" file of "Cassini" to the Giri Saturn directory you'll notice that both emulators behave exactly the same).

I personaly feel sorry for all these people who actually believe that Cassini is "the best Saturn emulator". If they knew that they can make Giri Saturn behave just like the almighty "Cassini" without using any of the things that come with "Cassini" then I'm sure that they would change their minds...

[Keith]

Great post PsyMan that really sums up everything we have been trying to point out. :)

[Darkfox]

Hmmm... I did notice there weren't any real changes. That bugged me some especially from the claims given on improved performance.

[Keith]

Yeah some people just don't understand that Snail and his Cassini Team do not have the true source of GiriGiri so no real core changes can be made. It is just gui hacking and hacking of 3rd party software. So no real improvements or new core features such as SSE2 support will be added. Game compatibility will also not change unless done by the games.dat file.

[Darkfox]

I don't think Choose is helping the matter in petty namecalling. It's rather inconvenient really and is only giving a reason to regard all as an act of flameing. I've tried contacting him but he has not answered. But I am glad to see that they have decided to keep the post by Onimaru, maybe we'll finally get to clarify some thing. Hopefully there will be a resolve?

[Elly]

Why won't the almighty snail coder code his own Saturn emulator since he's much more smarter than all of us or heck, contribute to any of the open source saturn emu projects? :whistling

[Darkfox]

Yep... that post was deleted... like all the others... I'm afraid he will not be reasonable...

[Lord Darkstorm]

*Nods*
I saw both of onimaru's posts before they were deleted, and they were both totally reasonable. But even things he admits he took he hasn't given credit for, and posts that try to ask him in a non flame manner are deleted. Unacceptable.
The forums now member only, as well.
Sigh...To think I ever thought there might be some real changes to GiriGiri...

[Keith]

Welcome to ET Lord Darkstorm. As I know Snail monitors this thread hopefully he can see that more and more people are starting to notice how he is avoiding the claims of his hacking of other programs. It is really sad.

Apparently he thinks all messages posted over on their forums that is even related to the hacking claims all come from Spunky .. so they are deleted and the ip banned even when they are not.

The posts by Onimaru were deleted 3 times and everytime the post were very respectable and contained no flaming whats so ever. Just the fact that they were deleted is a red flag to anyone who thinks this project is legit.

All this is to be expected because that is the type of person Snail is .. just look at his response to people asking about Sega's approval ..


Its been more then a year since the public has gotten much news on this subject.

In short...
Sega of America no longer exists.
Sega of Japan does not care so long as no money/profits are made.
The "Cassini Emulator" has been Trademarked.

While not the overwhelming support we hoped we might get from Sega or Sammy, the bottom line is, Team Cassini has the legal right to release this work so long as we don't step on Japan's toes.

I would also like to add, no member of Team Cassini has received a single complain, threat, or flaming from any of Sega or Sammy...
unlike the ingrates, some 2,000+ who flooded my email.

To date, an estimated 50,000 copies of Gav's GiriGiri and nearly 250,000 copies of Cassini 1.0 have been downloaded in the past year just from our homepage alone.

Based on the current curve, Cassini 2.0 would have surpassed that... if not for this weeks release of Cassini 3.

As such, no further debates, flames, or complaints about legality will be tollerated.
The matter is settled.
His reasonings behind stuff is a joke. The guy is not even taken serious by any true developer I know of .. a large majority of the main emulation sites don't even take this project seriously. The guy is never going to get respect and that is fine with me and hopefully as more facts come out about Snail and his hacking people will see the truth once again. :)

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I also wanted to point out his recent post regarding the changes done to Cassini and you will see there is no core changes done. According to Barnito and Snail there has been 40% to 50% code modified from the orignal girigiri .. but what was changed? They have never said.

All they did was use a resource hacker and there is only so much you can do with a resource hacker. People expecting big improvements will be waiting .. well forever. Snail even admits they do not have the true source just an automaticly dumped assembly file which is pretty much useless except for resource hacking .. which in turn is good for gui changes and dialog boxes and stuff. he also admits that if we were to use the current games.dat file with girisaturn (which is an older hack of GiriGiri before Cassini was around) it would run the same.

In his own words .. "The games.dat will depend on the game entry itself.
If using the same games.dat file on both exe, you will not see any change, since the entry data is the same."

For those of you who can't see the Cassini forums here is some screenshots of this post.

http://www.emufanatics.com/snail1.jpg
http://www.emufanatics.com/snail2.jpg
http://www.emufanatics.com/snail3.jpg

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Also for those of you who did not see Onimaru's post that was deleted over and over to hide the truth here it is for you guys.


This will be the 3rd time I have posted this information. It has been deleted twice now and is a good indication that the truth is being censored. It is obvious now that Snail will not address or admit to the hacking of Giri Saturn Cheater and CDmage.

I am personally baffled by this because I would assume he would want to defend any false claims against his work and this project. If his work is legit then why has he not given solid and to the point answers to these claims? If you look at his previous posts about it he pretty much avoids the claims and even in one post talks about a program for DC cheating that is completely unrelated.

Is it really that hard to address these claims with solid proof they are not hacked and added to the Cassini package?

Why delete these posts when they are clearly respectable and mature while at the same time contain no flaming whats so ever.

For reference here is the previous post that has been deleted two times now. I am also curious what forum rules I am breaking that would cause my posts to be deleted? I am also curious how else do you want us to approach this subject? Other people flamed and it was not welcomed and I agree flaming is not needed. I have shown this project and the team behind it great respect and it would be nice to have some answers in return out of respect. Thanks for your time.

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The above post by Snail has no reference to the problem at hand. The above post is comparing an unrelated program that is not even being claimed of being hacked. Nobody said Chankast Cheater was the program hacked by the Cassini Team.

The program is called Giri Saturn Cheater which can be found here.

http://www.emutalk.net/saturn-shack/27603-...iricheater.html (http://www.emutalk.net/saturn-shack/27603-please-test-my-new-old-giricheater.html)

This has been pointed out here multiple times but for some reason every reference to this information has been deleted. Can we finally please address this issue instead of avoiding it directly.

The other program that is being hacked is CDmage which Snail has not even mentioned let alone denied hacking.

http://www.geocities.com/cdmage/

People compare for yourselfs and you will see you do not need screenshots for proof when these other programs will show you when you try them.

This is no way an attempt to flame this project or trying to kill it. This post sole purpose is to finally get some answers to the hacking claims. Please be straight with us Snail rather then deleting respectable posts.

[Keith]

Sorry to double post but this will come off as little weird since I will have to reply to Snail here rather then there since he likes to ban people. So in response to his posts which I will post here for you guys to see.


This is very sad.
Popular shitheads like Kieth, running EmuTalk, a well known and severe flaming forum that don't just bash Cassini, making life misserable for others.

I typically try to refrain from even responding to such crap, but when it keeps flowing out of him mouth year, after year, after year... one must question if this guy has nothing better to do.

He has done nothing to try and make Saturn emulation legal.
His flaming started at the mere mention that someone was going to work on the GiriGiri emulator again (months before I even had anything to do with the project... which make one wonder why he focuses all his hate at me.)

Not taken serious??? Excuse me, but I've been making coumputer for over 30 years and running a software company for nearly 25 years.
My work is used world wide and even in the US military.
Kieth knows not a damn thing about me, yet still flames on and on as though he knows me personaly.

The majority of the sites who "don't take this project seriously" fall mainly into 1 of 2 catagories...

A. Those worried about the BIOS situation
B. Those with nose-rings being led around by Kieth

As to the bios, that it wholey understandable and very subject to regional laws.
As for Keith, that he has spent years trying to destroy the work started by Team Giri, speaks for itself. With as much bitching he does, and flame wars he promotes by others, one has to wonder why he doesn't go after Mic, or Lock, or Mad, or even Sega themself, as Sega didn't even make the original emulator... no, far easier for him to go on about those he knows nothing about.

Personaly, I pitty anyone with so much hate in them.

It does however, make me want to reinforce the fact, this forum will not tollerate flaming, flamers, invites to flaming forum or flaming wars.

If you need assistance, ask.
If you were over looked on credit and want to be included, ask.
If you have a tech question, ask.
If you want to leave a possative comment, feel free.

But if all you want to do is promote more anger, hatred, and the like, by all means, go to EmuTalk and flame away. They openly welcome flamers.


Keith has been going on about how flamer posts or invites to flame war posts, have been deleted, even though all of Team Cassini's posts on EmuTalk were deleted first.

While EmuTalk, the heart of all the hate for Cassini, continues to delete posts supporting Cassini, they continue to try and flame our own forums with their hate.

Further, I should also like to add that at least 3 people on Kieths forum have threatened me personaly with physical violence.

The latest-

cooliscool
Location: USA

... I'd love to go to each of their houses individually and torture them ...
(Clearly, another case of a braggard who know's nothing about me.)

Copies of those threats/posts have been sent to Kulvagen 6 and Tera-Byte.com (hosts).
Copies have also been sent to the OJJDP, a group that investigates threats posted on the internet, which include intent to cause bodily harm. Funded by the Department of Justice, Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention and the Department of Education for a safe internet.

Should Keith continue to opperate his hate forum as is, it will result in further action.

And Kieth, since I know you read this forum... you've been given the only warning you'll get. It's one thing to promote hate on your forums... its another to promote it to levels of threats.
Ok now to reply to this ... first off it's Keith .. not Kieth.

I do not own or run EmuTalk. I am simply an admin here. What exactly have I said or done that is so damaging to the Saturn scene? and what have you done to make the Saturn scene so much better? GiriSaturn is no worse then Cassini so in turn the scene does not really benefit from Cassini.

Also exactly where am I promoting hate? Do I explicitly tell people to hate you? Do I even use the term hate anywhere? Obviously you are grasping at straws here to somehow try and make yourself look better and to be made out to be some sort of victim. :P

Come and post on EmuTalk and I can assure you your posts will not be deleted or censored. We will not resort to censorship of the truth like you have been doing ever since the Hacking claims for Giri Saturn Cheater and CDmage came about. Exactly why are those posts deleted any ways if they are not true?

Also how have I spent years trying to stop GiriGiri? .. This whole thing only started a year ago with the Cassini project. I personally know Gavionne and have nothing against him or his work. Why would I care about previous work with GiriGiri?

It's not the emulator that is the problem it is the methods behind it and the work that has been hacked. It has always been that. I think Giri Saturn is a great emulator.

You keep going back to profanities towards me which I have never done to you out of respect and a show of maturity, but you continue to insult me. This kind of makes you a bit of a hypocrite.

As far as nothing better to do, this whole Cassini business is just a drop in the bucket of the stuff I do on a daily basis. I run an emulation site, a blog site, as well as other web development stuff not including stuff away from the Internet. So no, Cassini is not exactly a priority of mine.

As for other developers taking you seriously .. this was in reference to your work with Cassini and nothing else. I could care less what you do outside of Cassini since it doesn't even relate to the current hacking claims. Nice try at some more sympathy votes. :)

As I stated earlier where is the hate that I am promoting? Where is the flaming I am doing? I have shown nothing but respect and never broke down to insults like you tend to do. I have nothing to hide and I am always ready to apologize when I am proven wrong about the hacking claims that you refuse to address. Why not just come forward and speak the truth for once rather then trying to make us look like something we are not. You spend so much time trying to make yourself look like the victim .. but it only makes you look like someone who refuses to tell the truth.

[Darkfox]

Oh man, in a few days this has gone from bad to worse O_o... I do wonder if it's pride perhaps? Hm... in honesty I wouldn't let such a thing keep me from telling the truth. Then again I break down very easily under pressure, lol.

[Jakob]

hmm, I'm just a little curious why no one has reported the cassini board to invisionfree, considering it's in violation of section 3.1 of the Terms of Service at invisionfree, personally, I don't care enough to do it, but damn, I'd think atleast someone would, or maybe invisionfree is too lazy to enforce their own TOS

[Darkfox]

Hmmm... true, true, but I was hopeing to give them a chance, but hmmm...

[cooliscool]

I respect you for keeping this fight going Keith, beyond words.. I fear, however, that we're really beating the dead horse as this "snail" character simply won't give it up. :yawn:

"Team Cassini".. I don't think I've ever despised anything so much.

[Keith]

Yes actions tend to speak louder then words. In this case Snail's deletion of any post, even if respectable is an obvious sign he stole the works of others and claimed them for his project.

I can easily move on from the old arguements of a year ago because that has been proven without a doubt that Cassini is nothing more then a resource hack of GiriGiri.

It's the new theft of Giri Saturn Cheater and CDmage that should never be tolerated or excepted by anyone. Snail has made it obviously clear that he did indeed steal these projects by hacking them and including them into the Cassini package with the Cassini Team labeled all over it. Just more resource hacking and removal of any sign of the true developers.

Just more copyright infringements. I also think it is very funny when he always says that if any of the authors want credit for their work then they need to speak up .. how about asking first if you can include their work in your project first. Total disrespect for other peoples hard work. How are we supposed to appreciate Snail's work when he is doing nothing but hacking other peoples work? Nothing innovating what's so ever.

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Passive only the copyright holders can report the infringements. So Spanky and the developer for CDmage would need to make the reports to Invision Free in order to have anything done about it.

[Darkfox]

*sigh* It's pointless that he keeps fighting dirty... Spunky should report him, he's not going to be reasonable, he abuses his authority on his board, and he avoids all confrontations. This worries me kinda about the future of emulation itself.

It's some scary stuff that a person would resort to deleteing posts that are not flames of any kind. It is time also that Zophar ceases to support them and cut off support entirely.

[cooliscool]

Don't be. The scene has had its share of morons.. ;)

[Darkfox]

Yeah I guess from the numbers against piracy in the comparison of those that do it's a losing battle for the eye-patch wearers... that are pirates (just in case there are eye-patch wearers who aren't pirates out there XD)

[Trotterwatch]

I respect you for keeping this fight going Keith, beyond words.. I fear, however, that we're really beating the dead horse as this "snail" character simply won't give it up. :yawn:

"Team Cassini".. I don't think I've ever despised anything so much.

Y'know they're even making that prat Zero look strangely less twattish.

Barnito/Snail are complete and utter idiots of the highest order, though I shall refrain from threats to slap them both round the head with a trout in case they get their lawyers onto me - scary stuff :D.

[Keith]

lol .. guess Snail is now banning anyone who speaks any sort of truth even if it is not related to the current hacking complaints. Guess Snail just wants praise .. for exactly what I have no clue since all he manages to do is hack other peoples hard work. :P

Thread Screenshot .. http://www.emufanatics.com/snail4.jpg

I don't see any bashing .. but oh well. :D

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In another thread it is nice to see someone with some intelligence who knows what they are talking about. (the poster is quoting Snail's responses from a previous post)

http://www.emufanatics.com/snail5.jpg

At the end of that post the user suggest giving credit .. blah why give credit how about just removing the hacks that were never given permission to be there in the first place. :D

[Squaresoft74]

lol .. guess Snail is now banning anyone who speaks any sort of truth even if it is not related to the current hacking complaints.
Yup , here's one more that mysteriously vanished...
http://img315.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snap0oo.png



Personaly, I pitty anyone with so much hate in them.


Really ?
So , since you seem to be reading what's going on here , why do you keep flaming Keith who wasn't even the one who opened this thread which simply denounce your swindle with actual proof.

Why do you keep erasing any link on your board which could allow your "users" to check by themselves the claims made here ??
If someone is full of hate , that might be you , and especially against honnest people who denounce your illegal actions to the mass. :whistling

You've been once again caught at "cheating" , the fact and evidence are here , end of story! :whistling

[Darkfox]

Hmmmm... yep, he's going way overboard with the deleteing, and thats a perfect example of abuse of authority and power when running any forum. It's pretty tragic and is frowned upon, since I too am a leader on a couple of forums.

[Keith]

This was sent to me .. which I believe is the Cassini 4.0 readme I think. I was told it was posted by Snail .. usually I would just ignore such things but I am getting a little tired of being the face of the Snail's flames when I have very little to do with it and have moved on from this discussion awhile ago and haven't even thought about it until today when I was sent this. I am also posting this here because I know Snail will take a peek.


In the last release, a long time aggressive group of people led by Keith, did as they have done for ages, flamed Cassini to no end. The 2 largest complaints (aside from Cassini being based on GiriGiri) is the use of 2 tools added in 3.0. The first, a slightly modified version of CDmage. Keith and his cronies seem to feel unless THEY have copies of each and every email of communication Team Cassini has, that it must not exist and thus they have the right to cause flame wars.

(It is bad enough the amount of hatred displayed on their own forum, but then they try to repeatedly flood our own forums with their hate. They go too far however when they begin to make threats of physical injury (and for this, and this alone, have been reported to watch groups for internet violence).

On their forums, they bitch and bitch to no end that Team Cassini refuses to address their flames in this matter. And why should we? When our own forums were down for a move to a new location, they used the time to spread rumors and outright lies that Cassini was shut down for criminal activities when nothing could be further from the truth. We have better things to do then waste time with all their hatred. None the less...

>>
-------Original Message-------
From: Snail
Date: 04/9/03 16:42:44
To: cdm@orcon.net.nz
Subject: Permission
I am interested in using your tool for its 2535 capabilities in a project I am working on.
-------Received Message-------
From: Thorn
Date: 04/12/03 13:02:28
To: Snail
Subject: RE: Permission
meh, it's there for use by all
>>

First of all in my own defense I have never flaimed you or this project. You continue to associate my name with any negetivity you may receive which has nothing to do with me. You continue to act like I have nothing better to do then "flame" or "hate" you and your projects. This couldn't be farther from the truth. For one, this discussion here and elsewhere lasted about a week and ended awhile ago. We have moved on from this but you continue to make claims against me. I haven't even been online that much lately let alone gave a second thought about Cassini.

As far as the CDmage claim why couldn't you have said something from the start that you had permission and why didn't you provide the proper credits? If you want to prevent negetive feedback then you shouldn't prolong the issues. I said in an early post that I would apologize if I was wrong. I will take the e-mail as proof enough that you had permission and apologize for the CDmage claim.


Next, was the outrage caused by the new loader.

I want to make it clear, that the code was submitted for use by Team Cassini. Those submitting the code were credited. The code was modified to work with the Cassini Emulator (which it did not prior.)

The problem comes in that, claims have been made that those who submitted the code did not make it. Keith and his cronies have accused Team Cassini of having "stolen" the code. They do not care what so ever about who "leaked" the code. At their forum they deleted every post made to clarify and defend this situation. They attempted to flood and destroy the Cassini forums.

Next, they made claim to all the work, on other emu sites, and continue to trash it on their own forums.

"Thank you Keith for the updated status of this emulator and its new features!"

This is on NGEmu, EmuFanatics, Emus4You, and likely more. Keith... who has nothing to do with Cassini, and hosts the CRAPsinni hate forum.

Within the past week, many people have stepped up to claim the code as their own; (most of them with IP's matching those from Crapsinni) and even claimed work done by Snail, as entirely their own.

Clearly, many liars in all at Crapsinni.

This has resulted in our banning of several users, placing security and rules on the forum, and making it clear, Team Cassini will NOT tolerate this sort of behavior, especially from Crapsinni supporters, a.k.a. EmuTalk.

Given the long time Keith and his supporters have attacked Cassini, it is very much believed this situation was caused intentionally.

Again I have nothing to do with any of the claims you have just mentioned. As mentioned before I do not host EmuTalk which you referer to as the CRAPsinni hate forum. The only recent discussion regarding this has been kept to one thread. One thread does not describe a whole forum. I also did not start the thread you are talking about and I am not the source of the claims against you. I have nothing to do with anyone flooding your forums or sending you e-mails. Also we do not delete threads that would prove the claims false. The only things I claim are the facts such as the hacked girisaturn (legaly or illegaly doesn't matter it is still a hack), the hacked CDmage (which you have finally given some information and I apologized) and the hacked girisaturn cheater .. which I will address when I get there.

Unlike you I do not resort to flaming and hatred. If you wish to continue pulling my name through the mud I will look into defamation of character laws and see what I can do about it.


The one and only person with possible legitimate claim, is the one who never made any.

As such, since credit was given where thought due, since the code has been changed to work on Cassini,
since so many people have lied about development of the code, and since the one possible person
that may have started the original code has acted as they have, the code will remain as is.

Further, far more scrutiny will be given to outside support of the project.

Now we can address the girisaturn cheater .. so because Spunky tried to defend his work and you did not like his approach you are just going to steal his work and keep it as is in Cassini. Yes I said steal because you refuse to remove the program, ask permission .. or even give proper credit. If you are looking for respect this is not the way to go.

If you were to remove it then most people including me would have no problem with Cassini. I still would not support it, but at the same time I would not have anything to say about it. The stuff that happened a year ago pretty much ended a year ago as far as I am concerned. I have already said many times I would not even try to argue the hacking claims because it is like beating a dead horse.

All the new stuff that has been discussed by me only has to do with the recent CDmage and girisaturn cheater claims and nothing else.


Also...
Added a new tool, with even more supports. GSaturn, is a .NET frontend/multitool, that to my knowledge is a 100% work by Lau Han Ching (minor alterations to work on Cassini).

One of the largest flames against Cassini, is that it is not 100% "our" work. Well, I took at look at what Crapsinni they had to say about Lau's work. Guess what... flamed as well.

In May, EmuTalk, a.k.a. Crapsinni, even started sending Lau virii and flames via e-mail... sound familiar? Several Cassini members had to change email accounts over the past couple weeks from simular attacks.

What are you talking about? Nobody from what I can see said anything about Lau's work and if you read his thread he only had positive feedback.

http://www.emutalk.net/saturn-shack/20188-gsaturntool-frontend.html

Who is to say any virus e-mails he gets comes from EmuTalk or was done on purpose. Just more false claims to make EmuTalk and its members look negetive.


The point is, Keith and his cronies are all about flaming, hate, and destroying anything they don't have total control over. They have lied, flamed, attacked, trashed forums, made personal threats, sent virii, spammed e-mail, attacked servers, and all over something, they claim, is shit and they could care less about. Keith will tell you he's not about hate at all and make invites to forums, only then to make it into a bashing.

Our choice to ban these sort of people, remove their posts, and refuse to step down to their level, is not to be anti-social, rather, it is to brush them aside without resorting to the same sort of attacks they use on others.

Again you are putting the blame on me and putting my name through the mud when I have nothing to do with what you have said. You continue to attach me to any negetive response or action against you. Like I said if this continues I will look into defamation of character laws.

[Trotterwatch]

Well said Keith.

[PsyMan]

iblamekieth

[Trotterwatch]

And Cassani (sic).

[Keith]

I feel bad for Spunky .. guess they refuse to remove his code from Cassini because Spunky never claimed it. This reminds me of the same arguement used for the GiriGiri (Cyberdisc) hack and copyright infringement. Sega never claimed it or complained about it so it was all A-OK to the Cassini team. :P

Basically since Spunky never contacted them claiming the code then he doesn't get credit or the right to have it removed because Spunky's chance has passed ... this completely blows my mind because you would think it would be the other way around. If I was Spunky I would take legal action as soon as possible.

If you are going to use someones code to begin with you would think permission would be asked first from the original author. Now I understand Snail says other people submitted the code to him and I will give him the benifit of the doubt for that even if blaming other people for submitting a closed source project a bit of a cop-out and blame shifting.

Now the thing is, if he admits to believing Spunky is the original author right now then why does he continue to use it without permission? or for that matter why does he not apologize to Spunky for taking his code without permission (even if he didn't know at the time .. he does know now).


Keith goes on to remark about Spunky and the user submitted code.
It was either ommited, or intentionaly remarked out, but he states in essence, Spunky demanded credit.

Let me make it clear, Spunky NEVER did any such thing.
Spunky DID, flood forums, attack the servers, flame, and so on, but not ONCE, did "he?"" ever attempt to open a dialog or ask questions.
Further, aside from those who supplied the code, NO ONE, has provided proof of any sort to suggest the work is someone elses.
If the code was originaly his (and I do suspect it was his, made for GiriGiri), he never made claim to it, nor ever made an attempt to deal with those who leaked the code.
Instead, he attacked those using code that was submitted as free to use.
Had Spunky even bother to request recognition, it would have been given in the new release and included. That oppertunity has come and gone.
At this time, we now have emails from many people claiming the code as their work.
As such, the code will not be altered or worked upon from this point on.

Oh and I repeat .. EmuTalk is not my forum! if you wish to complain feel free to leave a message with the site owner Martin.

You also say I am responsable for the post made by members here on this forum as well as anything that comes from this forum. How about putting the responsability on the actual posters and the people doing these things rather then me who has been completely civil and mature in this matter? Oh .. yeah you blame shift so it must be natural response. Nothing has been posted that breaks our forum rules so there is not much I can do as long as people follow forum rules.

[cooliscool]

Some people just need a good asskicking..

[Lord Darkstorm]

A couple of weeks ago, I came across a program called girigiriloader, which looked suspiciouly like cassini v1. Did they "borrow" that as well?

[Keith]

As far as I know only the GiriSaturn Cheater is being used without permission. From what I have seen and been told all the other 3rd party stuff has been given permission.

I would also like to point out that Squaresoft74 has shown me the first time Spunky released his GiriSaturn Cheater which was over 2 years ago and obviously without a doubt his code and not some mysterious person(s) that submited it to the Cassini team like the Cassini team has mentioned.

Again I repeat Spunky should seriously look into some legal action so he can help prevent this type of stuff in the future.

[Lord Darkstorm]

That would be a good idea.

Heh, I just noticed my cassini account has been suspended. Since I havent posted in there for a few weeks, it must be because of my comment above.

I feel so loved. :D

[Keith]

Heh someone just sent me a message telling me there is a post on the Cassini forums that has to do with what I posted here .. I haven't seen it yet but the guy is going to send me screenshots soon.

He said it seems like Snail is now grasping at straws and doing anything he can to make me and this forum as well as other forums and sites look bad if they have the same Cassini point of view.

Guess he thinks I go around and contact other sites telling them not to host Cassini or post about it .. well I have never contacted anyone and to be honest I don't even know half of the people that share the same feeling about Cassini when it comes to their sites.

It is not hard to see why people wouldn't post about it and these people don't need me to tell them how to run their sites. How much power does the guy think I have? Like I'm the president of the Emulation Community or something?

Snail has my vote as the drama queen of the scene award this year .. and is a great propaganda artist. :P

I will post the screens when I get them, guess it's good for a laugh :P

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Ok got the screenshots and read what Snail posted. It's true he is grasping at straws here. :P

It's funny to see him trying to find anything to make me look bad. I love how he hides behind his propaganda and avoids the stuff he would rather not talk about because it would probably make him look bad. :D

Also what site is EmuAlive? I couldn't even google it to find out. So how did I contact them? Also he mentioned another site before called Emu4you or something. Couldn't find them either but according to him I contacted that site too .. wow talk about making stuff up but it's to be expected :D

He also says I bashed them on EmuFanatics .. which is weird because I have like maybe 3 or 4 posts in the thread there and one of them is a cut and paste of an earlier post I made here. Besides not much is talked about there. Actually on that thread at EF there is only one person who shares the same view as Snail and was not deleted. So not sure where he gets the idea we delete people's post that are positive for Cassini. .. Also the sites I mentioned on that thread at EmuFanatics are not sites I contacted (haven't contacted anyone for that matter) .. they are just sites I found that feel the same way as us. If you actually read the sites almost all of them credit SquareSoft74 for the information. Not me and not EmuFanatics. :D

http://forums.emufanatics.com/showthread.php?t=1033

Man I feel like a repeat machine .. so again I repeat I don't hate anyone or anything related to Cassini. I think the whole concept behind the Cassini idea is morally wrong and in some cases legaly wrong. GiriGiri is a great emulator as well as the 3rd party software created by the many talented programers from around the scene.

What I don't understand is why would I hate anything? I find it funny how Snail always mentions hate and bashing coming from me when in fact he is the one doing the hating and bashing on me time after time. :P

There is nothing wrong with being civil and mature in this matter, but I guess he refuses to do so .. yet complains about people who do the same as him. Pretty hypocritical if you ask me. :D

Screenies ..

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http://www.emufanatics.com/cassini1.jpg
http://www.emufanatics.com/cassini2.jpg
http://www.emufanatics.com/cassini3.jpg
http://www.emufanatics.com/cassini4.jpg
http://www.emufanatics.com/cassini5.jpg
http://www.emufanatics.com/cassini6.jpg
http://www.emufanatics.com/cassini7.jpg

[Lord Darkstorm]

Hey, at least he finally got your name right. :D

[Trotterwatch]

Pity he still can't spell the fucking emulator correct on the Forums main page... Cassani :D

[smcd]

Keith you must have pissed in his water bottle at some point or something. He really has it out for you :P

[Keith]

Yeah it's all in good fun. He always has entertaining things to say about me :P

[Hawq]

That would be a good idea.

Heh, I just noticed my cassini account has been suspended. Since I havent posted in there for a few weeks, it must be because of my comment above.

I feel so loved. :DLooks like they been doin some spring cleaning & dusting any criticism away in yer posts as well
'I think one word can describe this:

nice.'
I love the claim about twisting the truth over them not having source to make real changes as well as in the legal board when someone asked for source, he got banned unsurprisingly & had to go back with a new name, snail clearly states

Please, completely examine the emulator in its entirety before asking questions. The assembly code is included as part of the installer.

Do not ask for a compiler source, none exist.

Merely because we don't have the original source doesn't mean the recreated one is not valid.
Oh the memories of the Reaper incidents at DCemu come flooding back with this, code taken without credit, refusal for source etc.. (though in this case its because they dont have it) made especially great by barnito's sig declaring 'Cassini: the open source sega saturn emulator'
Whenever you need a laugh its good to tune into the forums there (if you dont get banned for daring to speak any opinion other than theirs that is) & here. Recent(ish) (ok 4 days back about the locking of the legal forum) highlights in theirs include from MilkBeansCheese1 who I hope was being sarcastic, because if not he cant spell even names that are on the same page as his post

Cassani is not a hacked emulatore! Snial is the best progamer eva!! i think next verison will be 90 porcent comptable!! &
As I am sure the two of you are well aware, CRAPsinni members once again attacked this forum this morning, and flooded the legal section (that is to say, flooded it, worse then the other sections.)

No replies have been posted as attorneys only got back to us today.
And believe me, you will be addressed in due course.Will it ever end? well theres an army of people out there that love a good argument & an army of people that will believe anything so probably not, untill it does end I shall tune in for regular updates to have a good laugh, it beats most tv comedies

[Lord Darkstorm]

Pity he still can't spell the fucking emulator correct on the Forums main page... Cassani :D

Hey, watch it, flamers will not be "tollerated". :D

[Trotterwatch]

Anyone want to club together to buy Snail a dictionary?

[Keith]

At least he is spelling my name correctly now .. it's a step up. :)

[Darkfox]

He suspended me too with "Crapsinni support won't be tolerated" O.o how old is this guy?

[Cyberman]

He suspended me too with "Crapsinni support won't be tolerated" O.o how old is this guy?
The rumor is < 16 :D

Cyb

[Hawq]

Heh



go ahead and call it cassini 5 if you want, it wont make a difference this emulator is really good, but it wont change without the compiler source....am i right snail?

Cassini's Cheerleader

Bluegummibear


How stupid can one person get?

5K of new code has already been added to allow for plugin and overlay expansions.
But then, if you knew what you were talking about, would already have known that before shooting your mouth off.A full 5k hacked in eh? totally disregarding that without proper source no real changes will happen, wonder which of them truely knows not what they speak of?. & that age above gives way too much range to him, double figures seem a bit much at times yes? ;)

[Darkfox]

And I do not believe versions go from 1.0 to 2.0 to 3.0 instantly... as I have seen from most emu coders there are in-between numbers.

[Keith]

Posted today regarding 4.0 and it's mirrors.

I regret to say that thanks to Keith and his many minions spending month after month, year after year, trashing the emulator, attacking its hosting servers, members and forums, as well as other projects and real life issues getting in the way, many members are presently unavailable, including the webhost.
lol Snail just can't stop mentioning me .. do I have a stalker?

Funny how he always says "spending month after month, year after year, trashing the emulator, attacking its hosting servers, members and forums, as well as other projects"

- Only known about the project for a year .. so where does year after year come from?
- month after month? I talked about for a few weeks last year then a few weeks this year. Not even the combined time equals 2 months worth. :P
- Says I attack their emulator, hosting servers, it's members and other projects? For one I have never attacked anyone and yet he continues to be the one attacking me on a regular basis. Another hyrpocritical moment .. nothing new. When did I attack their hosting servers? I don't even know what hosting they use and never even bothered looking it up .. why would I? In all my posts I have never mentioned any member of their community except Snail in response to what he says about me. Ok one last thing .. what "other" projects have I attacked?

Seriously Snail loves to make stuff up to look like a victom in all this and loves to stick my name to anything and everything possible to make him look better. Of course we know this is just a tactic to move attention off of his hacking stuff. :P

I also must say I understand Snail says "Keith and his many minions" and I can't speak for the other people that might fall under that grouping .. but I will continue to defend myself if he continues to include me and my name .. and basically continue to make him look like the ass hat he is. :P

[Miretank]

lol Snail just can't stop mentioning me .. do I have a stalker?
no, maybe he is not man and is loving you! :evil: :evil: SNAIL LIKES KEITH! SNAIL LIKES KEITH! SNAIL LIKES KEITH!!! :evil: :P just kidding hey :)
i can't understand one thing. doesn't he understand that he is the wrong? imho, a person with a equilibrated mind could surely understand that he commited a fault and, for question of good education, ask forgiveness for the ones who were harmed in the situation. but no, this snail just flame and defend something that is clearly wrong.

[Runik]

i can't understand one thing. doesn't he understand that he is the wrong? imho, a person with a equilibrated mind could surely understand that he commited a fault and, for question of good education, ask forgiveness for the ones who were harmed in the situation. but no, this snail just flame and defend something that is clearly wrong.
He's living in his own little world, where everybody loves his "work", giving him legitimacy in his way of thinking (without giving second thought about people not sharing his views)

Beware Kieth, teh l33t h4xx0r !!! :P

Anyway, it's my first post here, I've been reading around sometimes but never registered ... so here I am :)
Greetings everyone ! :party:

[PsyMan]

Snail is just a guy who doesn't want to listen what the people that don't agree with him have to say. Therefore he bans people, deletes threads, makes his forum "members only", etc.
This doesn't happen here so he says that "ET is a flaming forum" just because we have the right to disagree (excluding cases that have to do with liks/uploads and questions about illegal matterial and generally the *reasonable* rules).

Last but not least, Welcome to ET Runik. What took you so long? :P

[Chazam]

Hi there.
I'm new to the Saturn emulation scene and just read through the whole of this thread with intrigue!
I didn't know that Cassini was a rip off o another emulator but it seems so obviously so. :yucky:
I was just wondering how they got away with it?
Doesn't anyone own GiriGiri anymore?
Anyway, is it wrong to be using Cassini on my PC (What is the legalitiy of Cassini if it is indeed a ripoff of GiriGiri?)?
I can't get Satourne to work (It crashes as soon as I chose the SH2 plug-in) and SSF is too slow on my Laptop (Specs below)
What do you suggest?

Thanks!

[Runik]

Last but not least, Welcome to ET Runik. What took you so long? :P
Got stuck in the barn :sombrero:

[Lord Darkstorm]

Wow, the author of saturnin!

*bows before the duck*

[Trotterwatch]

Hi there.
I was just wondering how they got away with it?
Doesn't anyone own GiriGiri anymore?
Anyway, is it wrong to be using Cassini on my PC (What is the legalitiy of Cassini if it is indeed a ripoff of GiriGiri?)?
I can't get Satourne to work (It crashes as soon as I chose the SH2 plug-in) and SSF is too slow on my Laptop (Specs below)
What do you suggest?
Thanks!

They have gotten away with it because a lot of sites included several 'reputable' ones didn't wish to here any arguements that what they were doing wasn't totally legit. Due to one of those sites, the thing spread like the plague. Users use it blissfully unaware that the emulator is like Frankensteins monster.

GiriGiri is I believe still in the ownership of Sega, though not sure about the whys and wherefores of copyright law. One thing for certain is they haven't had any permission, nor is the code in the public domain.

Is it wrong to use it? Well the emulator is excellent, the parts they have stolen are all very good in their own respective ways. Put it this way, if I stole PJ64 and called it Trotterwatch64 - the emulator would still be great, it'd just be looked down upon because I'd have done nothing but made a cheap hack to change the name of it.

That is what the Cassini team have laughably done - taken other peoples work and cobbled it together any which way they can. Failing to give credit to the work stolen, and unbelievably refusing to remove something which an author has quite openly stated they are refused permission to use.

If it works for you, by all means use it - just be careful how much praise you lavish upon it, and always know that you are using something created by others, not by Snail et al.

///

And Welcome to Emutalk Runik :)

[Hawq]

Posted today regarding 4.0 and it's mirrors.

lol Snail just can't stop mentioning me .. do I have a stalker?

Funny how he always says "spending month after month, year after year, trashing the emulator, attacking its hosting servers, members and forums, as well as other projects"

- Only known about the project for a year .. so where does year after year come from?He hit 88 in a delorean maybe? or its another 'fact' from his own little world in which he is god

[Hawq]

More deleting of innocent threads it seems, this one (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y117/Hawq/f68ee735.jpg) has mysterisouly vanished, its almost like they didnt want anyone to tell him the truth, that its not advanced from the original giri giri hack other than having more things thrown in with it. Cant think why theyd want to hide that fact ;)

[Borisz]

More deleting of innocent threads it seems, this one (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y117/Hawq/f68ee735.jpg) has mysterisouly vanished, its almost like they didnt want anyone to tell him the truth, that its not advanced from the original giri giri hack other than having more things thrown in with it. Cant think why theyd want to hide that fact ;)
They also suspended that account.

(edit: this may be extreme for you guys, but if theres anyone, with sql access to some of the forums where snail or barnito posted, willing to help out, I could... mess with them a bit.)

[Hawq]

Well theres more, shockingly, in the hate campaign they seem to have against this fine place & the truth, those few of us not banned there can read the thread here (http://s3.invisionfree.com/Cassani_Forums/index.php?showtopic=308) for the rest of you heres some shots of it, follow the links:
Pt1 (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y117/Hawq/crapsiniterrorists1.jpg), Pt 2 (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y117/Hawq/crapsiniterrorists2.jpg), Pt 3 (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y117/Hawq/crapsiniterrorists3.jpg), Pt 4 (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y117/Hawq/crapsiniterrorists4.jpg), Pt 5 (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y117/Hawq/crapsiniterrorists5.jpg), Pt 6 (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y117/Hawq/crapsiniterrorists6.jpg) & finally Pt 7 (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y117/Hawq/crapsiniterrorists7.jpg) note the names of the shots come from the title of the thread. When did anyone shout Jihad then?

[Trotterwatch]

He's full of shit and hot air. The FBI will laugh at him :D

He's got an Atari programmer as his lawyer too, awesome.

[Keith]

Heh thanks for the good laugh. Who uses Tera-Byte.Com for hosting? Certainly not us. Not sure where he gets his information but like usual he is extremely misinformed. I love how he thinks we as in the people responsible for EmuTalk have anything to do with this. Obviously Snail has no concept of the law and is talking out his ass as usual. The responsibility lies with the people doing whatever off the wall things he claims. It has nothing to do with EmuTalk. Snail comes off very closed minded and very unintelligent and pretty n00bish. He must be either naive or dumb if he thinks this is the only place that has the same views about the Cassini project. This is the first time Cassini has even been mention for some time now .. and only in response to Snail's drama queened rants :D

If there is any "Hate" going on it's Snail's Hate of the truth here at EmuTalk. ;)

[Borisz]

I'm quite sure that that FBI email is fake too, judging from the reply that that Druid guy got... Heck, I don't know how the FBI works but it seems like a random number+letter+@fbi.gov kind of address.

[_Chrono_]

He's got an Atari programmer as his lawyer too, awesome.

lmao! Googled Greg Zumwalt and ended up on a page calle "Hack of the year"
great :icecream:

[Keith]

Seems like Snail got his information from doing a whois on the emutalk.net domain .. and is spreading around Martin's personal information to the public such as his e-mail which violates agreement of the whois. If anything he is using Martin's e-mail without authorization and urging people to spam him with complaints that have nothing to with him or anyone here at EmuTalk. Pretty lame if you ask me :P .. and to think Snail claims we are the ones causing problems. lol :D

I am still curious how we promote hate and tell people to so called "terrorize" them. Heck I have no hate for Snail and find him a bit entertaining and always good for a laugh.

Snail has been grasping at straws for so long he might as well be a farmer. :P .. heck we can be Snail's scapegoats since he loves to use us that way to hide his hacking, stealing and illegal ways and always seems to claim it as Cassini Team work .. lol :D

[Trotterwatch]

Wow, a Lawyer.com email address can be had for free - or if you'd like to upgrade to a premium account from as little as $3.95 a month!!!!

So cheap even ex-programmers or little 'ol me can be a lawyer too :D

[Keith]

hah nice find :D

[Martin]

Yay, fame at last! (erm feels like I've said that before :P) Maybe I'll get people over to my house so I can write autographs. :P

[Elly]

Zomg, we are all terrorists now! To the arms everyone! :ala:

[Squaresoft74]

LMAO.
So this pathetic drama is still going on since all that time and they still attempt spreading weird lies and acting like victims while they've been clearly caught at cheating since the start !!!
I dunno what they're smoking over there , but it must be DAMN strong. :P

Oh and it seems that my "Crapssini" calling sort of traumatized them , so excuse my Engrish for that typo. :saint:
I will try to spell it properly now :
It's "cASSini".
Did i get it right this time ?:happy:

[retroK]

Great comedy stuff ;-)
That made my day

[Darkfox]

Terrorists? Sheesh... talking about extremes to extremes. It's like a hunchback pirate calling George Washington a crooked backstabber. Or somthing along those lines.

[Derek]

LOL.

"These people are clearly the dangerous sort and need to be arrested".



LOL.

Oh christ. They're really good for a laugh.

[Trotterwatch]

He's got a point though - most of our admins are evil :P

[Cyberman]

He's got a point though - most of our admins are evil :P The worse part is they admit it!
Just LOOK at those unabashed notes beneath there nicks! :bunny:

Cyb - Pssst it's obvious... and ummm I have some beach front property in Alaska to sell you too.:saint:

[Darkfox]

I claim to be evil, does that count :D? But anyways, I do not really see how this classifies as "Terrorism", he never really authentically pointed out how, just used claims and possible speculations. He yet again failed to show no actual proof of existance of any of that and how it links. And if it does, it might have been a "free radical" doing it, I think I got that right... and our aim has never been to punish those who use Cassini. It is not their fault for not knowing...

[ZachB]

Heh,

Wow I forgot how the heck I found this thread but what an editorial gold mine!
Is this situation still festering ? Man I'd love to pick someones brain on all this..

Anyone interested ? Keith ? This would potentially be published as an investigative article if it goes well. Would love to tell this story.

edit:/Hmm, hope that doesn't sounds too "tabloid", lol

[Darkfox]

What I can give you is that Snail has taken his adminess too far and is banning anybody who even gives anything that proves against their "project" even how overall innocent the person is. In effect he's a terrorist by inflicting fear that if anybody speaks out against him he'll ban them. Isn't that in essence terrorism? By making them fear him? He's using terrorism, claiming to be a military man, and a man who can control the law. Isn't that in essence terrorism? To induce fear by forceful means?

Edit: OMG! He released a guy's IP to the public. Thats AGAINST the duties of an admin, isn't there somthing against that?

[Cyberman]

Darkfox:
If you want to have fun you can call him the Admin Nazi. :teehee:
You know it kind of seems that way doesn't it? :saddam:
I hope they get back to resource hacking all this banning is kind of boring. :sleeping:
ter·ror·ism
n.

The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

[Borisz]

I think the best part in their forums is that they are comparing the sega saturn to god or something.

[Cyberman]

I think the best part in their forums is that they are comparing the sega saturn to god or something.
Are you suggesting they start Cashinni 'The cult of the Snail' in which Snail is the high priest and Sega Saturn's are the object of there worship? There religious mantra being 'Long Live Sega' (which unfortunately is no longer the original Sega).

[Borisz]

Nah, though that would be even funnier.
It's something like panzer dragoon saga being such a godly creation that it was a sin to ever release it and thats why the saturn failed, and how saturn emulators are all spawns of the devil cause they have names like "Lucifer" and "Satan".

http://s3.invisionfree.com/Cassani_Forums/index.php?showtopic=311&st=0

[Cyberman]

Nah, though that would be even funnier.
It's something like panzer dragoon saga being such a godly creation that it was a sin to ever release it and thats why the saturn failed, and how saturn emulators are all spawns of the devil cause they have names like "Lucifer" and "Satan".

http://s3.invisionfree.com/Cassani_Forums/index.php?showtopic=311&st=0
You do realize guests can't view the Crashini forums? Thus I can't view it. Perhaps you could take a screen cap and post that?

The Cult of the Snail .. has a funny ring to it. I hope he smiles when he hears this stuff gotta laugh at things in life I always say. :D

I would like to see Panzer Dragoon Saga myself at least the intro LOL. (inside joke).

Cyb

[Darkfox]

Ok, I'm Christian and such... but that was sad... O.o

[Borisz]

You could easily set up an account with a fake email, they can't catch you and delete it as long as they don't have your IP.

[Hawq]

You do realize guests can't view the Crashini forums? Thus I can't view it. Perhaps you could take a screen cap and post that?Funnily enough I took a few caps of that thread a few day back thinking it might get deleted or edited over there, enjoy:
1 (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y117/Hawq/wewontharmyou1.jpg), 2 (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y117/Hawq/wewontharmyou2.jpg), 3 (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y117/Hawq/wewontharmyou3.jpg), 4 (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y117/Hawq/wewontharmyou4.jpg), 5 (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y117/Hawq/wewontharmyou25jpg), 6 (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y117/Hawq/wewontharmyou6.jpg), 7 (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y117/Hawq/wewontharmyou7.jpg), 8 (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y117/Hawq/wewontharmyou8.jpg)

[ZachB]

Wow... certifiable crackhead :bouncy:

[Darkfox]

Really silent over there ain't it?

[Cyberman]

I'm glad Zero is his psuedonym.. that was nothing short of..
"Welcome to the land of Odd"

Personally I've not been able to play Panzer Dragoon so.. I can't say if it's good bad or indifferent. I have played Xenogears so does that count? :D (LOL)

In any case I wish team Cassini good luck in doing something.. I'm just not sure what the something they are doing is.. other than acting kind of defensive and making everyone scratch there head and think they are somewhat insane.

Ok this stuff gets me to change the name to 'Cracksini' instead.

Cyb

[Darkfox]

XD Cracksini... XP

Now he'll be saying that we are all part of the "Cracksini terrorists" group

[Hawq]

Thats very close to calling us a top terrorist group, its a promotion from crapsini terrorists eh? :happy: next up, we take on the A-team ;) I'm a crack shot with a rubber band

[FlynnUOGM]

i cant seem to get my cds to run on amy emu, anyone got any ideas? or what emus work with cds?

[Trotterwatch]

i cant seem to get my cds to run on amy emu, anyone got any ideas? or what emus work with cds?

Hows about creating your own thread, and be a little more descriptive!

[Hawq]

Wise fwom your gwave, well they were a bit quiet for a while but now theyve stumbled into action again in a large(ish) way accusing us of putting a virus in the update etc.. wait? didnt they accuse us of that before as well?
1 (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y117/Hawq/moresnaillies3.jpg), 2 (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y117/Hawq/moresnaillies4.jpg), 3 (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y117/Hawq/moresnaillies5.jpg), 4 (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y117/Hawq/moresnaillies6.jpg) & not of the same post but the same kinda thing (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y117/Hawq/deludedperson.jpg)
So anyone put a virus in their stuff? didnt think so of course they may attack me again for showing this stuff but I think we have a right to know whats being said about us yes? hmm teatime but later a personal attack on me! have I become the new Keith for Snail?

[Hawq]

& now I'm fed the next part of todays story, well it spans several days but I only looked today, in which our intrepid Hawq is flamed against the rules of the forum in which the flame takes place by Snail, as always to save space its links to the images
1 (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y117/Hawq/bitchingliesapersonalattack1.jpg), 2 (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y117/Hawq/bitchingliesapersonalattack2.jpg), 3 (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y117/Hawq/bitchingliesapersonalattack3.jpg), 4 (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y117/Hawq/bitchingliesapersonalattack4.jpg), 5 (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y117/Hawq/bitchingliesapersonalattack5.jpg) & now the bit that will probably not last long there: 6 (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y117/Hawq/bitchingliesapersonalattack6.jpg) & 7 (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y117/Hawq/bitchingliesapersonalattack7.jpg)
Why am I singled out there? not a bloody clue but I made a courteous polite response & raised some good points as they claim to welcome feedback, we shall see wether that holds true or not shortly no doubt. Notice that the bit I mention form my news on other sites merely syas of emulators that the 'one thats dodgy knows who it is' they take offense at that? an admission perhaps? or are they just trying to turn me into Keith mkII? guess they need a new bogeyman of some sort to blame for random stuff

[smcd]

Heh, "virii" -- it's not a word :plain:

[Runik]

Heh, "virii" -- it's not a word :plain:
"Virii" is the plural of "virus" in latin (same thing for "scenario" and "scenarii")

Anyway Hawq, thanks for keeping us updated about the whole story ... I can't help but feeling sorry about how pathetic they look (putting virus in their files, threatening of killing people ? Come on ! :rolleyes: )
The last post brings some interesting stuff up (like a bunch of others before), and it must have been deleted by now ... :getlost:
Looks like you're Keith's successor now :P

[Hawq]

Amazing I aint banned yet, though as theres no response so it may just mean they havent seen it, no doubt when they do the comedy will continue though

[PsyMan]

Let's see... We "accuse" them because they did something.... and they accuse us because they say that we infected their illegal emulator with a virus which is illegal. They also want to send any infected people to us... Maybe they want to sue us too...

I'm sure that Kieth and Hwaq were the ones who hax0rz teh r0x0rz open source Cassani emulator. I say to ban them both :evil:

[Lord Darkstorm]

Yeah, because we all know that on their forum, flamers are not "tollerated". :D

[Martin]

Sorry, I'll have to ban everyone who has participated in this thread. ;)

[Runik]

Sorry, I'll have to ban everyone who has participated in this thread. ;)
Including yourself ? :evil:

[Cyberman]

Hmmm you know .. I guess they are really bored or they believe what they say. Fortunately it doesn't affect the community in any way. However it's interesting someone is using Casini for Virii <SP> distribution. Might be the only original thing about it :D

Cyb

[Hawq]

Sorry for the thread necromancy but the recetn Lizard stuff remionded me to go see if anything had happened over at the cassini boards, amazingly people still use them & just this feb a mirror for v5 was put up in this thread (http://z3.invisionfree.com/Cassani_Forums/index.php?showtopic=380) for all who were banned from the cassini forums for daring to question heres the link (http://www.snailsoft.net/) dont worry folks its not a link for it as the page says

Former home of Nature's Harmony homepage, ZCT, Atari 2600 Archive, SnailSoft Software and over 3,000 hosted sites created by SnailSoft.
The return of this network is pending legal action against an already convicted felony criminal, Angelo Dallas, and the slumlords of Sheboygan WI, who are responsible for the damages of this companies equipment and finances.
One of the two criminal slumlords has already been fined thousands in violations of housing conditions, however, this does not bring convictions against them, which are required to collect on damages. The second slumlord still eludes authorities.
Make of it what you will but its faintly amusing even if its not reffering to snail & co that such a thing would happen.

[smcd]

I cannot make sense of that quote...

[Lord Darkstorm]

I cannot make sense of that quote...

Sounds about par for the course with the weird stuff they used to spew.

[Darkfox]

Conspiracy theories, accused file posessions... whats next? Aliens? BIGFOOT?

Meh, I'll never understand what point deceit is good for them.