Pope John Paul II

[Eagle]

I'm not catholic, but never the less he was a great man.

[Nin_10_Dough]

I just heard about his passing. Shame he suffered so bad towards the end.

[Remote]

He was a good pope and a good man!

[CKemu]

A great man....we are talking about the same man that said condoms ae un-holy, even with the AIDs crisis in Africa. The man that considers abortion evil. The man that is willing to turn a blind eye to pedophile priests in order to save the face of the church. Sad to see anyone suffer, and I am sure it's a loss to many religious people, but lets not forget a few things ;)

[smcd]

Well said, CKemu!

[Eagle]

A great man....we are talking about the same man that said condoms ae un-holy, even with the AIDs crisis in Africa. The man that considers abortion evil. The man that is willing to turn a blind eye to pedophile priests in order to save the face of the church. Sad to see anyone suffer, and I am sure it's a loss to many religious people, but lets not forget a few things ;)

Nobody's perfect, not even the Pope. But still he did do great things for the world. Compared to his predecessors, who mostly were only concerned with the church, he did a lot to help nations come to peace.

[2fast4u]

he spoke out agaisnt war, imperialism and uncontrolled capitalism but at the same time he still had the same dogmatic stances on birth-control, womens rights and gays that the catholic church has been clinging to for hundreds of years. with that in mind i gotta say my opinion about this pope is not entirely positive or negative. so yeah, with all the praising that is going on, now lets not forget a few things about his work and the reactionary institution he headed.

[Stalkid64]

Glad to see everyone keeping the reality of the Pope's work in such a balanced light here. So much of it was contradictory, but just because someone does a lot of good work doesn't mean the other stuff should be brushed aside. Anti-contraceptive, anti-abortion, anti-gay... not a particularly open-minded or tolerant person all things considered. Perhaps the change will be a positive one.

[Orkin]

Although I disagree with the Catholic church on many points in both belief and practice, it's sad to see him go. He did do many good things.

And I must point out that being anti-abortion and anti-gay aren't reasons to dislike the man. Catholocism is based in Christianity (although in many areas, loosely), do you expect the man to dump all morality for the sake of open-mindedness and tolerance?

There is such a thing as right and wrong, and there are some things that should not be tolerated...

[2fast4u]

you would think he would have been able to open his mind to new ideas instead of sticking to catholicisms reactionary views. more reasons to dislike him btw: he reinstated the good old inquisition, just under a different name and on top of that he also brought back the index of books that are forbidden to read for catholics. even if you have a more conservative stance on morality, i hardly think such repressive actions are supported by anyone.

[Orkin]

he reinstated the good old inquisition, just under a different name and on top of that he also brought back the index of books that are forbidden to read for catholics. even if you have a more conservative stance on morality, i hardly think such repressive actions are supported by anyone.

Two examples of why I dislike the catholic church as a whole. If you look through their history, catholicism has largely been used only to repress and control the populace through religion. The actions of the catholic church throughout history are prime examples for why the first amendment was added to our constitution.

[DuDe]

The guy was one of the factors that demolished the communist control of Eastern Europe, which makes him a cool dude in my book.
Conservative? Well shit, the guy was a Catholic priest, if he wasn't conservative he wouldn't be the friggin' Pope. RIP Karol Wojtyla.

[vampireuk]

Dibs on his pope hat

[Stalkid64]

Two examples of why I dislike the catholic church as a whole. If you look through their history, catholicism has largely been used only to repress and control the populace through religion. The actions of the catholic church throughout history are prime examples for why the first amendment was added to our constitution.
If being anti-gay or anti-abortion or anti-women priests aren't examples of repression or control (in the sense of that they are used to purport fear of `punishment for sin`), I don't know what are. In a lot of ways yes, the Pope was obviously a good man. I wouldn't say I disliked him, and while I respect his views are the product of a certain book (or at least one interpretation of it), I don't agree with them as such. I find it hypocritial that he can effectively call for all religions and people to come together and at least tolerate each other, while condemning those `guilty` of those supposed sins at the same time. Taking away people's right to choose and to be who they are as he did isn't something one individual should be allowed to control.

$00.02
(Could it be... an actual emutalk debate? Surely not!) ;)

[Stalkid64]

Dibs on his pope hat
That hat is mine. Goes very nicely with the spinning mask so I'm told. :saint:

[2fast4u]

Conservative? Well shit, the guy was a Catholic priest, if he wasn't conservative he wouldn't be the friggin' Pope.

that sounds like an excuse to me.

[DuDe]

I honestly don't give two shits about how it sounds to you, because being a Catholic priest immediately makes him a conservative. Repetitive whining about whether he was anti-gay or anti-birth control or anti-whatever is useless, because the Bible clearly deems those as a sin, and the Pope going against what the Bible says ain't gonna happen. Believe it or not, there are cool people out there who aren't heart bleeding pinkos, and JP2 was apparently one of those.

[Eagle]

because the Bible clearly deems those as a sin

You read the Bible lately? There is nothing in it about contreception (or at least not in so many words). The commandment says "Thou shalt not kill" and most believe that destroying an unfertilized egg is not killing, nor is using a condom. Therefore, nothing in the bible says you may not use birth control or condoms. The bible doesn't even mention abortion, again "Thou shalt not kill", the idea is that an unborn baby is alive, but this isn't entirely clear so therefore, the Bible clearly deems nothing of the sort.

[Stalkid64]

I'm also fairly sure "Thou Shalt Not Be A Woman Priest" isn't in there either. Then of course "Thou Shalt Not Be Gay" wasn't seen as important enough to be one of the 10 Commandments... though it has been a while and they may have been updated in the last 2,000+ years I guess what with all the other editing that has gone on. Wonder what else just got cut from the list.

[smcd]

There are passages which hint (or state, depends on who's reading or talking) about homosexuality, leviticus 18:22 (King James Version): "Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind: it is abomination". and in genesis 19, the story of Lot with the angelic visitors. I'm not saying that this is by any means a definitive answer, just a couple places where it could be argued (there are arguments that go either way, yes homosexuality is wrong, and no, it isn't).

Those places aside, looking at it from a natural point of view, it doesn't make a lot of sense IMO. The primary goal of a species is to survive, and since it's not possible in the human species to do so homosexually, then yeah :P

You have the right to disagree.

[2fast4u]

I honestly don't give two shits about how it sounds to you, because being a Catholic priest immediately makes him a conservative. Repetitive whining about whether he was anti-gay or anti-birth control or anti-whatever is useless, because the Bible clearly deems those as a sin, and the Pope going against what the Bible says ain't gonna happen. Believe it or not, there are cool people out there who aren't heart bleeding pinkos, and JP2 was apparently one of those.

you know i dont give a shit what the bible says. its a worthless piece of writing with no authority. other than that, i reserve the right to name reactionaries when i see them, and if that may be the pope so be it.

[Trotterwatch]

I think the point of having a Pope 2fast4u is that he DOES give a fuck about the Bible. Kinda pointless otherwise.

[blizz]

There are passages which hint (or state, depends on who's reading or talking) about homosexuality, leviticus 18:22 (King James Version): "Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind: it is abomination".

speaking of Leviticus, here is that joke email that is the nearest that most people get to reading the bible these days. Which you've obviously read ;)



Dr. Laura Schlessinger is a US radio personality. Recently, she said that as an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22 and cannot be condoned in any circumstance. The following is an open letter to Dr. Laura penned by a US resident, which was posted on the Internet:

Dear Dr. Laura,

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, or example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to follow them.

1 - When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odour for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbours. They claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

2 - I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3 - I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence.

4 - Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighbouring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

5 - I have a neighbour who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

6 - A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

7 - Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some room for negotiation here?

8 - Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27. How should they die?

9 - I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10 - My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev.24:10-16) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Your devoted disciple and adoring fan.

[Orkin]

you know i dont give a shit what the bible says. its a worthless piece of writing with no authority. other than that, i reserve the right to name reactionaries when i see them, and if that may be the pope so be it.

So basically you're saying that the pope should say that The Bible is useless and to ignore everything it says...

You may have a point...but why stop there? Bill Gates should tell Microsoft to stop writing software, and Steve Jobs should have Apple stop selling computers, and George Bush should make the U.S., the Un-united States!

Such open-minded, tolerant, forward, thinking! You're a genius 2fast4u!!!


Sarcasm aside, the Bible doesn't say anything about condoms, but it does quite clearly condemn homosexuality and adultery, and also says to hold men responsible for killing an unborn infant (the specific context refers to a man causing an unborn baby to die by striking a pregnant woman).

[Eagle]

...and George Bush should make the U.S., the Un-united States!

Shhh... don't give him any ideas.

[Stalkid64]

There are passages which hint (or state, depends on who's reading or talking) about homosexuality, leviticus 18:22 (King James Version): "Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind: it is abomination". and in genesis 19, the story of Lot with the angelic visitors. I'm not saying that this is by any means a definitive answer, just a couple places where it could be argued (there are arguments that go either way, yes homosexuality is wrong, and no, it isn't).

Those places aside, looking at it from a natural point of view, it doesn't make a lot of sense IMO. The primary goal of a species is to survive, and since it's not possible in the human species to do so homosexually, then yeah :P

You have the right to disagree.
The thing to remember though, and it happened rather a lot even in early translations (IIRC, the Hebrew was translated to Greek first, then other translations of that translation etc) and especially so in the King James version, that passages were altered or "interpreted" to fit the times, or simply because different languages don't always have literal translations available.

(Anyone not that interested may skip the rest of this...)

An example would be "Lucifer" which (again IIRC - it's been a few months since I was last looking) in the original Hebrew is taken to mean not an entity or force, but "morning star" which was in reference to a King of the time... and I don't think anyone will have trouble realising how that would alter things dramatically all by itself. The King James though has my favourite little change made to it.


People often ask about the famous line in the Bible, "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." (Exodus 22:18)
Here are the facts;
James I was notorious for being paranoid about witches, spells, and so on. This was, in part, due to volatile politics of the time. He had good reason to be nervous.
"His" Bible (the King James Bible) was translated to keep King James happy, so they translated the word chasaph--which is Hebrew for poisoner-- to mean "witch" instead.
The real Biblical passage was about the disturbing crime of poisoning in the Jewish community.
(And thus "Thou shalt not suffer a Witch to live" is correctly in all pre-James versions "Thou shalt not suffer a poisoner to live". Pretty significant again.)

Another example of how translations and time alter words;

The word "witch" appeared in Christian scriptures as maleficos, which is gender-neutral, until the mid-1500's. Then things took a nasty turn. In the "Luther Bible," the German line is "Die Zuberinnen soltu nicht leben lassen," which makes the word "witch" feminine. By 1566, in La Saincte Bible of Lyon, France, the word is even more clearly female, despite a footnote that the law applied equally to men.

The moral of the story? It's open to interpretation. ;)
(Whoa... that works on so many levels. So much so that dammit, I'm going to BOLD it up a notch.)

As for the USA; to say "United States" seems a slight contradiction really if you think about the semantics of it. The very word "States" points out that it is divided into States... whether because different area's desired different laws or moral code, they are seperate. Thus it isn't united. "Divided States of America" is actually technically correct.
And, well, sort of fitting too...
"Hyuk, looks like we gots us an actural dee-bayte goin on."

`What you readin' for?`
(Bill Hicks anyone? ;)

(Corrected that mistake to read "Lucifer". Cheers.)

[smcd]

I believe you meant Lucifer as being the morning star. He was a king of Babylon(Babel, Babylonia). I agree that some things are lost in translation. That is why I added my view on homosexuality at the end of the post regarding nature wanting the survival of the species. If you're (not >you< but in general "you") homosexual, fine. More women for me!:P Regarding your passage about witches, some could "interpret" poisoner to be talking about witchcraft and it's "poisoning" people's faith. (example: pharaoh's magicians/priests were as powerful as moses' god by turning their rods to snakes as moses could. Since it's a large point of the bible that none are as powerful as god then that's blasphemous) ;) As you said, things get lost in translation and interpretation, which is where faith comes in... whatever path you choose to live. If we could all agree that we can disagree, maybe we could all just get along :P

[2fast4u]

in a summarized response to the replies of you lot: maybe i went over the top with the word choice, however my point stands. i dont care if the reason for his positions is that the bible says so. the fact that jp2 (nice nickname, btw) took the most part part of his moral ideas and positions from the bible doesnt make them one tad better. being intolerant against gays, opposing birth control and discriminating women is something i consider wrong and if the bible says its right its still wrong in my book. im pretty sure this is open to interpretation anyway.

[2fast4u]

Shhh... don't give him any ideas.

technically the united states is a confederation, so "un-united" would work ;)

[Eagle]

technically the united states is a confederation, so "un-united" would work ;)

/begin government lesson

Thats a common misconception. Many people misuse the word confederation, because many nations start as one and then move to another form of government. The United States was a confederation prior to the adoption of the Constitution of the United States. A confederation is a group of states created by a treaty for purposes of foreign affairs and other things. Currently the United States is a state made from several self-governing regions with a central government (or federal government) that governs the nation. This is known as a federation.

/end government lesson

[Orkin]

The KJV is probably one of the worst translations available. It has gone through something like 4 translations before even getting to Old English, and there have even been several revisions to it making its English less...old. Besides being overtranslated, it's in a dialect no one uses anymore, so people have trouble even understanding what it it's meant to say. This is one thing that has helped make the Bible so open to misinterpretation over the centuries. It's sad how many people still use the KJV...I've even heard it argued that "If it was good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for me!" This kind of ignorance is, kind of sickening, actually...

That said, a more modern, direct (Old Testament from Hebrew, and New Testament from Greek), translation is not only more accurate, but much easier to understand, and therefore, interpret.

[2fast4u]

Eagle: yeah youre right, my statement wasnt correct there. in order to justify my government grades i should have done better.

[DuDe]

You read the Bible lately? There is nothing in it about contreception (or at least not in so many words). The commandment says "Thou shalt not kill" and most believe that destroying an unfertilized egg is not killing, nor is using a condom. Therefore, nothing in the bible says you may not use birth control or condoms. The bible doesn't even mention abortion, again "Thou shalt not kill", the idea is that an unborn baby is alive, but this isn't entirely clear so therefore, the Bible clearly deems nothing of the sort.
I've in fact read the Old Testament in its original language (Hebrew that is), and it clearly says at some verse somewhere something along the lines of "thouh shall not spill thy sperm for no reason" - now, that's not the best translation that you can get, but most of the Jewish scholars agree that it means that wanking and fucking with a condom is not favourite in the eyes of the Lord Almighty, and Catholics probably see it the same way.

[DuDe]

I'm also fairly sure "Thou Shalt Not Be A Woman Priest" isn't in there either. Then of course "Thou Shalt Not Be Gay" wasn't seen as important enough to be one of the 10 Commandments... though it has been a while and they may have been updated in the last 2,000+ years I guess what with all the other editing that has gone on. Wonder what else just got cut from the list.
The Bible isn't comprised of merely the 10 commandments you know...

[ScottJC]

That's right, it is also the worlds most popular fiction ;)

/me runs from the wrath of the true believers

[Eagle]

The Bible isn't comprised of merely the 10 commandments you know...

But see, thats where the problem lies, the bible isn not as straight forward as the 10 commandments. I could get 10 different people to interpret the same passage from the bible and come up with 10 different conflicting explanations for what it means, and whats even worse about that is they would all be correct.

For example. The bible talks about "men of god", or priests and popes and such. It does say MEN so that means no women, right? But if I walk up to all my friends in a group on the street, I say "Hi Guys". Does that mean I'm only talking to the men in the group and not the women? The english language, as well as many others, when presented with a confilct will always take the masculine vernacular. Its all in the interpretation, and interpretations can be literal or they can be generalized.

[deesse]

ehm. The Pope did his job. Bible or whatever religious is another thing. Vatican has its own power, it's political. Time will tell us about that.

[Stalkid64]

That's right, it is also the worlds most popular fiction ;)

* ScottJC runs from the wrath of the true believers
C'mon, when has a Christian ever commited a violent act in the name of God? What? When? Oh, right. I forgot about those Crusades...

[vampireuk]

That's right, it is also the worlds most popular fiction ;)

* ScottJC runs from the wrath of the true believers

Actually scientology is, XENU!!!


C'mon, when has a Christian ever commited a violent act in the name of God? What? When? Oh, right. I forgot about those Crusades...

Meanwhile pagans only murdered and plundered.

[t0rek]

Actually I think he was a very good man... no body is perfect, and if he is a pope he can be a rebel pope, so he has to naturally stick with the cathlic religion laws and stuff. He was a man of peace and that listened and visited all the world, not only the cathloic people

[WhiteX]

Here we have an 80´s song that said (translated from portuguese, yeah, brazilians do not speak spanish.)

"The Pope is Pop, and the Pop spares no man."

[noals]

why people wait the dead of someone to speak of him ? :alien2:

the pope is dead and so... hey guys, who care ?
yeah.. all dumbass on earth, i know....
u cant realize maybe million of people die all day and u speak of this dead "corpse".
sorry i did not know him and it's not the tv "show" that will do it better...
damn u, damn u all......
:spam: ??

oh, so sorry, i will wait sunday to cry with my bible...

[vampireuk]

why people wait the dead of someone to speak of him ? :alien2:

the pope is dead and so... hey guys, who care ?
yeah.. all dumbass on earth, i know....
u cant realize maybe million of people die all day and u speak of this dead "corpse".
sorry i did not know him and it's not the tv "show" that will do it better...
damn u, damn u all......
:spam: ??

oh, so sorry, i will wait sunday to cry with my bible...

Hurray another Engrish speaker! Please don't leave :D

[WhiteX]

why people wait the dead of someone to speak of him ? :alien2:

the pope is dead and so... hey guys, who care ?
yeah.. all dumbass on earth, i know....
u cant realize maybe million of people die all day and u speak of this dead "corpse".
sorry i did not know him and it's not the tv "show" that will do it better...
damn u, damn u all......
:spam: ??

oh, so sorry, i will wait sunday to cry with my bible...

The Pop spares no man! :term:

[t0rek]

Probably this thread will be closed soon :P

/me is not responsible for that

[Stalkid64]

Meanwhile pagans only murdered and plundered.

Pagans aren't a specific group, nor is "Paganism" a specific or organised religion, so how that applies well I can't really be sure. I don't even think you really had any intent beside the usual one. Anyway.


...Why does the word pagan translate to country dweller? Well, during the 4th century BC to 13th century AD, most people who lived in cities or large communities had been exposed to at least one of the major religions. Quite a few were followers of one of these faiths, were agnostic or the beginning followers of the sciences. Country folk were more often uneducated in the formalized religions. They were people of nature, farming and living their lives by the breath of the earth, sun and moon. Very few practiced one of the 3 major religions, and thus they were considered pagan.
Try a little more education with the ill-disguised and oft-noted irrelevant personal attacks in the future. Who knows, at some point you may even make some actual sense and contribution. In return, I'll ignore you until you go away.

And back to the thread we go...
Some of the most intelligent posts generally for months are contained in this thread so far. At least everyone seems to agree that blindly seeing someone as "a great man" isn't always right and that the evidence and reasons for both points of view should be considered.

[vampireuk]

Pagans aren't a specific group, nor is "Paganism" a specific or organised religion, so how that applies well I can't really be sure. I don't even think you really had any intent beside the usual one.

Spin it around and right back at you, Christians are not a specific group either, they are all races from all backgrounds from all countries. It seems you had very little intent either other than to try and take a shot at christianity, there is blood on the hands of Christianity and there is blood on the hands of Pagan beliefs rituals or followers or whatever the hell you wish to call them. So before you start pointint out the ancient history of another system of belief perhaps you should understand the problems your own caused?

[WhiteX]

A man who believes is a focused person, try to show any believer that what he has in his heart is flawed because it is practiced by men is a worthless effort, i really would like to my fellows emutalkers to stop the flaming and make peace, i mean this was supposed to be a thread to remember the head of the catholic church, if he was a good or bad man is irrelevant, he was a man, period, flawed like all of us, if following him or any other religious leader or religion is a mistake is not for us to judge, let´s remember him, tell stories of what we were doing in the day he died and all that stuff.
Let us keep our hearts, burning with our beliefs, to speak in other moment.
Thank you.

[noals]

hooo.... it's soo beautiful !
you should be the new pope !
...

you should wake up to and see what your heart is burning for...
a dead guy lol
like i said i did not know him but i know his dead don't change the reality and u should take a look at it sometime...

ppfff... c'est peine perdu d'facon lol
sorry my engrish cant translate that, nevermind...

your heart burning....
LOL
yeah ! come on ! lol

this post was for a dead guy and i repeat again, i did not know him and if u think u know him with what u saw at the tv your only a dumbass.
u wonna do peace with emu people ? are u not in peace with them all ?
blah ur a stupid fake like all guys who have their heart burning...
MMOUHAHAHA..
you dont have a heart, u just have one to fuck your girl friend and say some stupid stuff to your mama.
if u really had a heart u should maybe see or realize the world ur leaving in.
all the dead that are not in your fucking tv
*but, im loosing my time... damn ! again !*

ok so... i will do like u all.
"yeah it was a great man"
"he did a lot"
"he is a model for our president bush"
"yeah i'm a suxor who do like all stupid people"
"my heart is burning for this poor pope.."

MMOOUUHAHAHAHAHA !

please guy, open your eyes...

edit : dont take it personaly, it's not only for you

[vampireuk]

Is it just me or does this guy rock?

[Trotterwatch]

The only reason he's not banned is because he's giving me a lot of fun to read his extremely backwards posts.

On a side note, my heart is burning for Noals :inlove:

[Allnatural]

So many quotable lines. I don't know which one to choose.

[Eagle]

The only reason he's not banned is because he's giving me a lot of fun to read his extremely backwards posts.

I think that was our excuse for Vamp too :P

[WhiteX]

hooo.... it's soo beautiful !
you should be the new pope !
...

you should wake up to and see what your heart is burning for...
a dead guy lol
like i said i did not know him but i know his dead don't change the reality and u should take a look at it sometime...

ppfff... c'est peine perdu d'facon lol
sorry my engrish cant translate that, nevermind...

your heart burning....
LOL
yeah ! come on ! lol

this post was for a dead guy and i repeat again, i did not know him and if u think u know him with what u saw at the tv your only a dumbass.
u wonna do peace with emu people ? are u not in peace with them all ?
blah ur a stupid fake like all guys who have their heart burning...
MMOUHAHAHA..
you dont have a heart, u just have one to fuck your girl friend and say some stupid stuff to your mama.
if u really had a heart u should maybe see or realize the world ur leaving in.
all the dead that are not in your fucking tv
*but, im loosing my time... damn ! again !*

ok so... i will do like u all.
"yeah it was a great man"
"he did a lot"
"he is a model for our president bush"
"yeah i'm a suxor who do like all stupid people"
"my heart is burning for this poor pope.."

MMOOUUHAHAHAHAHA !

please guy, open your eyes...

edit : dont take it personaly, it's not only for you


I just wanted ppl to stop arguing about a pointless issue but in the mean time i hope you die so nobody will feel sorry for you ´cause you´ll be dead and we don´t really know you and all... I mean you´ll be just a corpse, right?!
Well we don´t have to respect other human beings since they´re dead...right?!
Know what, you seriously annoy me, i am out of this for now. (you know till you get your *ss banned.)

For the record,
WhiteX is not a catholic man, in fact i am a spiritist (Kardec).
Respect is good and i like it.
I feel for all the ppl who died in wars, urban crime and so on.
I do not support Mr. Bush war mongering.
I really think that noals is a jack*ss

[DuDe]

I do not support Mr. Bush war mongering.

How the fuck is Bush related to the issue we're discussing here?

[Stalkid64]

I think that was our excuse for Vamp too :P
Hey, works for me. :happy:

To the Pope, whether great or just good. Even with the other side, every single slight bit of good someone does in this world deserves to be celebrated.
:party:

EDITED: Stupid curs'ed typo...

[vampireuk]

I think that was our excuse for Vamp too :P

*moons eagle* dum dum dum, dum dum dum dum cant touch this!

[noals]

Know what, you seriously annoy me, i am out of this for now. (you know till you get your *ss banned.)
yeah, u should learn to read first..

edit : dont take it personaly, it's not only for you

but, now you'r right, stop faking aroung, it's boring and a lost of time for us.
huh... in case, you think i'm really afraid of being banned ?
'fear is the way to the dark side, padawan"
you will not and i will be banned, but you still a dumbass, not me. mhahaha

i dont really know what is 'spiritist' but i know I have a spirit and it's certainly not another fake like all your stupid existence.

Is it just me or does this guy rock?
yeah... it's only you.. that sux !
but i'm happy that not all people are stupid sheep.

cya

[smegforbrain]

I've in fact read the Old Testament in its original language (Hebrew that is), and it clearly says at some verse somewhere something along the lines of "thouh shall not spill thy sperm for no reason" - now, that's not the best translation that you can get, but most of the Jewish scholars agree that it means that wanking and fucking with a condom is not favourite in the eyes of the Lord Almighty, and Catholics probably see it the same way.

Well, you knew there had to be a good reason why the song "Every Sperm is Sacred" was a slap in the face to Catholics. :)

[smegforbrain]

How the fuck is Bush related to the issue we're discussing here?

Uhh... the Pope was against the war?

Otherwise, I'd generally prefer to not have to mention the two in the same sentence. :D

[WhiteX]

Uhh... the Pope was against the war?

Otherwise, I'd generally prefer to not have to mention the two in the same sentence. :D

´cause that noals dude said the pope was an example for Bush.

Oh! and the path to the Dark side is, my young apprentice, Fear, ANGER and AGGRESSION.
So, noals dude, corrupted by the dark side you are.

[noals]

blah, ur so boring...

bush is an ass and pope was a guy who let ass be like you and ur stupid fake light side, u just a bitch and if u think u can have the peace with your flower against a world of sucker... damn u, blind guy..

so, i dont mind ur stupid answer, go to hell with it.

[DuDe]

Well, you knew there had to be a good reason why the song "Every Sperm is Sacred" was a slap in the face to Catholics. :)
Precisely my point :cheers: