Gamecube emulation starts now?

[lario]

If a Gamecube-iso where to become available, do you think it would motivate some authors to begin work on a GC-emu?

This is supposedly out tonight:
The_Legend_Of_Zelda_The_Wind_Waker_USA_N GC-STARCUBE
(1145MB)

[lario]

And btw:

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(1)>> The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker (c) Nintendo <<)
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| Origin...: USA - NTSC Filename...: S3-ZLDWW.RAR |
| Released.: June 12th, 2003 CDs / Rars.: 1 DVD / 25x50MB |
| Console..: GAMECUBE Format.....: .ISO |
| Source...: GC Optical Disc Supply.....: X & Y |
| |
| URL.......: http://www.zelda.com/gcn/index.html |
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(2)>> Game Info: <<)
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| The latest Legend of Zelda adventure begins with young |
| Link living a peaceful life on a tiny island. One day, |
| Link witnesses a huge, menacing bird that snatches |
| Link`s younger sister and flies away with her. Link |
| follows in hot pursuit. His search for her sets in |
| motion an epic adventure that will have Link sailing the |
| high seas and searching for answers to the mystery |
| behind her disappearance. |
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(3)>> Release Notes: <<)
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| No, you won't be able to play this game on your GC, at |
| least for now. But we thought software and hardware |
| hackers would be interested in a GC release for various |
| reasons, so here it is. |
| |
| For this first one, we decided to give you a pure disc |
| dump. But on a GC disc, all the space that's not used is |
| filled with random garbage, which is bad for compression.|
| Any upcoming release from us will have that garbage |
| removed. |
| |
| Coders can have a look at the /maps directory, which |
| contains symbols information, pretty usefull for |
| reverse-engineering. (Many games have such map files) |
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(4)>> Greetings: <<)
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| Nintendo, Konami, Namco, Capcom, Sega, SCEI, Hudson, |
| Square Enix, Hudson, SNK, Tecmo, Irem & Rockstar Games |
| and all our friends. |
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/| |\
/_|\\(>> " Look up at the sky, and try to find us " <<)//|_\
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[conkerman]

i think that this is a fake for many reasons...
a) being the only release and with it stating that it cant run on a gamecube.....
b) i believe gamecube spins discs backwards which is why there have been no previous releases...
c)there's no computer that can read the disc and copy it (try it)
d) no

edit: the website that this "news" came from is http://www.gba-nfo.com/ ... i still think it's a hoax





conkerman

[Eagle]

well, thats not entirely true conkerman, if all it does is spin & read info backward from a typical dvd-rom, it is possible to tweak a dvd rom to spin backwards. seeing as the laser in a drive doesnt care which way it goes it should still be able to read it just the same after its spinning in the right direction.

Tech gurus are always messing around with hardware like that. It shouldnt be hard to make a dvd-rom spin backwards.

[Reznor007]

Originally posted by conkerman
i think that this is a fake for many reasons...
a) being the only release and with it stating that it cant run on a gamecube.....
b) i believe gamecube spins discs backwards which is why there have been no previous releases...
c)there's no computer that can read the disc and copy it (try it)
d) no

edit: the website that this "news" came from is http://www.gba-nfo.com/ ... i still think it's a hoax





conkerman

A. Copied PSX discs won't play on a real PSX (without mod chips)
B. Gamecube discs do not spin backwards(easy to tell if you have a real Gamecube)
C. It's not necessary for a computer to read the disc...think hardware probe.
D. You are probably right that it's fake, but it's certainly possible.

[Gorxon]

Well, I have heard that some people have made a cable which connects to the cube, and with it they were able to make homemade code run on it...thuse they could easily have ripped a game. I dunno how true this is, but info is apperantly gonna be released withing a week or two....


-edit-

Did a little bit more research, and yes, this release IS REAL!
For more info hop over to this thread: http://www.ps2ownz.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2894

Just do not ask where to get it...

-2nd edit-

Check out this site btw: http://www.gc.gba-nfo.com/
They have made directory listing of the three releases so far (freeloader, action replay and zelda). The dir listings are quite interesting.

[lario]

Originally posted by conkerman
i think that this is a fake for many reasons...
a) being the only release and with it stating that it cant run on a gamecube.....
b) i believe gamecube spins discs backwards which is why there have been no previous releases...
c)there's no computer that can read the disc and copy it (try it)
d) no
conkerman


You're right that the Gamecube won't read any homemade discs, that is a good thing, no piracy yet. What I care about is whether this helps Gamecube-emulation, since extraction of games now seems possible (for someone).

[alexa999]

Originally posted by Gorxon
Did a little bit more research, and yes, this release IS REAL!
For more info hop over to this thread: http://www.ps2ownz.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2894

Just do not ask where to get it...



Could you post what the thread says or something because I dont want to register.:plain:

[Gorxon]

Well, it basically says that it is true, since many of those people have got their hands on the isos. I have too, and can affirm that the freeloader release is indeed real (as all the others). Just look at the third link i posted and you get all the info there is...

[Knuckles]

I think that the only way to know if its true or not, it's to wait for an GC emu and try it on it....

[linker]

seems pretty real

[AlphaWolf]

Originally posted by Knuckles
I think that the only way to know if its true or not, it's to wait for an GC emu and try it on it....

You're thinking way to far into the future. If somebody realy wants to, they will crack the GC. I've seen things far more complicated than the GC get cracked in shorter periods of time, all it requires is somebody to actualy want to pull it off bad enough.

[marioshroom]

Originally posted by AlphaWolf
You're thinking way to far into the future. If somebody realy wants to, they will crack the GC. I've seen things far more complicated than the GC get cracked in shorter periods of time, all it requires is somebody to actualy want to pull it off bad enough.

for this am i totally an agreer!

shroomario.

[Tagrineth]

Mmm... interesting.

Someone should try burning that ISO onto a DVD, cutting the edge off it, and loading it from a Freeloader or Action Replay? In theory it should work... IF it's possible. Or better - someone with a Panasonic Q could just pop it on a DVD and load from Freeloader (no cutting required).

I won't believe it's real until I see it running on either real hardware or an emulator though.

How can anyone "confirm" it's real without seeing it ripped with your own eyes? And even then, you can be one of those "in the know" and lie about it so you can really get people going. ;)

Remember the videos some time ago of people booting a GCN from a burned disc? Those were fake - they soon after released a video of a GCN booting from a cookie.

Well, anyway. I reserve judgement until I see it RUN on something.

[alexa999]

Originally posted by Tagrineth
Mmm... interesting.

Someone should try burning that ISO onto a DVD, cutting the edge off it, and loading it from a Freeloader or Action Replay? In theory it should work... IF it's possible. Or better - someone with a Panasonic Q could just pop it on a DVD and load from Freeloader (no cutting required).

I won't believe it's real until I see it running on either real hardware or an emulator though.

How can anyone "confirm" it's real without seeing it ripped with your own eyes? And even then, you can be one of those "in the know" and lie about it so you can really get people going. ;)

Remember the videos some time ago of people booting a GCN from a burned disc? Those were fake - they soon after released a video of a GCN booting from a cookie.

Well, anyway. I reserve judgement until I see it RUN on something.

Why dosent somebody just burn it onto a mini DVD?:ermm:

[Trotterwatch]

Delete that request ASAP Alexa(As Soon As Possible) - a dump is the same as a Rom essentially. All the N64 Roms you have are dumps etc.

[alexa999]

You delete yours too, I already did mine.:plain:

[Trotterwatch]

Delete what exactly?

Anyways back on topic - this is indeed interesting news, and could provide some good info towards possible future GC Emulation attempts (Lightknight will be very interested!) Most people who have downloaded this though I'd wager don't have a clue what to do with the information, they just want bragging rights :) or they'll now be scouring the net for GC Emulators.

[Davemc]

I bet Lightknight is trying his to make his very own GC 'emulatore' as we speak. Maybe he has support for the never-coming-to gamecube- Banjo Three-ee

[Gorxon]

Originally posted by Tagrineth
Mmm... interesting.

Someone should try burning that ISO onto a DVD, cutting the edge off it, and loading it from a Freeloader or Action Replay? In theory it should work... IF it's possible. Or better - someone with a Panasonic Q could just pop it on a DVD and load from Freeloader (no cutting required).


Well, you of course have that cool thing called Mini-dvds. Several people have burned the iso to a mini dvd and tried it, but no luck. One guy have also tried to load zelda, then while in game switch the discs, but the GC wants to recheck the barcode (which we cant burn onto a disc), then the laser go to standby mode, so it's a no no. You can also use full size discs on a normal gc, you just have to remove the casing (which several people have done too).

-edit-
Just to add to that, incase you didn't know, the Panasonic drive uses different lasers for the GC disc and the DVD discs afaik. But perhaps you knew this already. As you already said you can put full size discs in it though which makes thins cheaper. Mini-DVD's are quite expensive.
-/edit-



I won't believe it's real until I see it running on either real hardware or an emulator though.

How can anyone "confirm" it's real without seeing it ripped with your own eyes? And even then, you can be one of those "in the know" and lie about it so you can really get people going. ;)


Considering that very many people have these files already should confirm that it is true. The Zelda dump contains much over 1000 files, almost all with different names and people have already extracted audio and boot image data (that little zelda logo and such). Who sane person would record all the audio in Zelda and make files of it? And then make about 1000 other files and make up file names for them? Nah, this is real...



Remember the videos some time ago of people booting a GCN from a burned disc? Those were fake - they soon after released a video of a GCN booting from a cookie.

Well, anyway. I reserve judgement until I see it RUN on something.

That is always a good stance to take, but I am a believer already :)
An emu will not happen in ages though...and good is that....

[CpU MasteR]

Originally posted by Gorxon
Well, you of course have that cool thing called Mini-dvds. Several people have burned the iso to a mini dvd and tried it, but no luck. One guy have also tried to load zelda, then while in game switch the discs, but the GC wants to recheck the barcode (which we cant burn onto a disc), then the laser go to standby mode, so it's a no no. You can also use full size discs on a normal gc, you just have to remove the casing (which several people have done too).

There is your answer to everything. A Burned Mini DVD-R cannot be read without the barcode. end of story :p

[FoxMcCloud]

Originally posted by CpU MasteR
There is your answer to everything. A Burned Mini DVD-R cannot be read without the barcode. end of story :p

What exactly is a barcode?

[My95ZR2]

The only reason I'm commenting on this is I have this extremely stupid idea, and I'm sure someone will try it. Okay, here it goes:

Why not rewire the drive part and have it connect to a DVD-rom drive. Then you could burn the image to a DVD and play it. I don't quite get the "barcode" thing, but I guess its a physical bar code that a lazer reads off the disc. If that's all it is, then I know someone will make a mod-chip or something to bypass it. Of course, if this is a real dump, which I'm assuming, the dumper should already know the interface of the CD access and should be able to acomplish this.

Just a though

Adam:geek:

[Trotterwatch]

From a personal perspective I hope that the Pirates do not figure out a way to bypass this barcode protection (at least not for the immediate future).

[My95ZR2]

Originally posted by Trotterwatch
From a personal perspective I hope that the Pirates do not figure out a way to bypass this barcode protection (at least not for the immediate future).

I have to be curious...why? For me, I don't really go for all the pirating. Maybe here and there I'll try stuff, but 9 out of 10 times I end up buying it. With PS games, I just borrow a game, play it, and give it back. I know companies spend days on end working on games for our enjoyment, and I think they need the money...sometimes

(You're probably asking why I can say this when I have Roms, right? Well, Mom won't let me get any console AT ALL. She says that a computer is enough...so I wait 10 years, and download the roms and enjoy the games.)

Adam

(Oh dear...I bet FAQ will be on my butt in a second)

[FAQ]

I have to be curious...why? For me, I don't really go for all the pirating. Maybe here and there I'll try stuff, but 9 out of 10 times I end up buying it. With PS games, I just borrow a game, play it, and give it back. I know companies spend days on end working on games for our enjoyment, and I think they need the money...sometimes

(You're probably asking why I can say this when I have Roms, right? Well, Mom won't let me get any console AT ALL. She says that a computer is enough...so I wait 10 years, and download the roms and enjoy the games.)

Adam

(Oh dear...I bet FAQ will be on my butt in a second)

You\'re not allowed to ask for ROMS here, please consult the rules page for further reading. Do not ask again, thank you.

[AlphaWolf]

The barcode could be part of a decryption key...

[Flash]

Chipa-chips GC. Coming soon... :D

[Doomulation]

Originally posted by My95ZR2
I have to be curious...why? For me, I don't really go for all the pirating. Maybe here and there I'll try stuff, but 9 out of 10 times I end up buying it. With PS games, I just borrow a game, play it, and give it back. I know companies spend days on end working on games for our enjoyment, and I think they need the money...sometimes

(You're probably asking why I can say this when I have Roms, right? Well, Mom won't let me get any console AT ALL. She says that a computer is enough...so I wait 10 years, and download the roms and enjoy the games.)

Adam

(Oh dear...I bet FAQ will be on my butt in a second)
Tell her it's your decision and buy it yourself! :D

[NeTo]

I have been reading by some time that iso's can be taken from Gamecube disks. I personally don't believe all that, but well... time will say

Look at this site (it's in spanish):
http://gamecubehacker.net/

[decription]

Originally posted by CpU MasteR
There is your answer to everything. A Burned Mini DVD-R cannot be read without the barcode. end of story :p

Acutally, you can run code without the barcode in the center. The other day Crazy Nation[CZN] released a program to run unsigned code on a Gamecube as long as it is under 2MB. This allows burn games such as Freeloaded and ActionReply to run. Using a hack in PSO and dialing in they are able to achieve this.

[Doomulation]

Uh-oh...this doesn't bode well for poor nintendo. :plain:

[AlphaWolf]

Originally posted by Doomulation
Uh-oh...this doesn't bode well for poor nintendo. :plain:

Nay....if you ask me it would probably bring more attention to the gamecube if anything.

[Doomulation]

If anything, to crack it, play illegal games on it or do emulators for it, yes. But I can't see for what else.

[AlphaWolf]

Its a word of mouth thing, I would venture to guess that piracy does improve it.

[lario]

Hmm, the size of the GC-Isos isn't necessarily so very big.
According to GC-Tool.pdf, the size of Luigi's Mansion is 193MB rared if you remove the random crap and replace with zeros.

[alexa999]

Originally posted by NeTo
I have been reading by some time that iso's can be taken from Gamecube disks. I personally don't believe all that, but well... time will say

Look at this site (it's in spanish):
http://gamecubehacker.net/

If only it could be translated.:(*sigh*

[Trotterwatch]

Originally posted by alexa999
If only it could be translated.:(*sigh*

You ever heard of Babelfish, Google Language Tools or one of the other million or so translation utilities on the net? :)

I do not want this hacking to cause the Gamecube to play pirated games. Sure it will as AlphaWolf states improve sales of the GC - but with Consoles sold as loss makers with the manufacturer making money from games sold; it doesn't bode well umpteen thousand Kazaa Kiddies buying one.

[decription]

Originally posted by Trotterwatch
You ever heard of Babelfish, Google Language Tools or one of the other million or so translation utilities on the net? :)

I do not want this hacking to cause the Gamecube to play pirated games. Sure it will as AlphaWolf states improve sales of the GC - but with Consoles sold as loss makers with the manufacturer making money from games sold; it doesn't bode well umpteen thousand Kazaa Kiddies buying one.

Nintendo breaks even on eahc console due to new maufacturing locations [switched to Taiwan] PS2 gains $18 and Xbox losses about $50

[Trotterwatch]

Originally posted by decription
Nintendo breaks even on eahc console due to new maufacturing locations [switched to Taiwan] PS2 gains $18 and Xbox losses about $50

Does that include shipping costs and promotion? Besides breaking even doesn't really change my point too much - the basic fact is that making piracy rife on the GC will just mean that the pirates purchase one exclusively to play pirated games on.

[Noupe]

Originally posted by decription
Nintendo breaks even on eahc console due to new maufacturing locations [switched to Taiwan] PS2 gains $18 and Xbox losses about $50

Interesting. Source?

[Reznor007]

Originally posted by lario
Hmm, the size of the GC-Isos isn't necessarily so very big.
According to GC-Tool.pdf, the size of Luigi's Mansion is 193MB rared if you remove the random crap and replace with zeros.

But who's to say the random crap isn't some part of an ativation code or something?

[Macca]

GC ripping is going crazy now, in the last few days loads are being ripped

[CpU MasteR]

Originally posted by Reznor007
But who's to say the random crap isn't some part of an ativation code or something?

No, that random crap is garbage data.

[Reznor007]

Originally posted by CpU MasteR
No, that random crap is garbage data.

But how do you know for sure since no one can run re-burned isos, and there are no emulators?

[AlphaWolf]

Originally posted by CpU MasteR
No, that random crap is garbage data.

Sometimes when reverse engineering shit, what appears to be garbage data could actualy contain something useful.

It may be part of the copy protection scheme, I could think of about a million uses. For example, it could be a big hash matrix that the software depends on to function. Encrypted shit always looks like garbage at first, the possibilities are practicaly limitless.

[2fast4u]

Originally posted by Macca
GC ripping is going crazy now, in the last few days loads are being ripped

Skies of Arcadia Legends-GAMECUBE
Eternal Darkness USA-GAMECUBE
Star Fox Adventures USA-GAMECUBE
Zelda Ocarina Of Time PAL-GAMECUBE
Phantasy Star Online 1 And 2 PAL GC-RA
The Legend Of Zelda USA-GAMECUBE

yup ..

[Tagrineth]

Nintendo breaks even on eahc console due to new maufacturing locations [switched to Taiwan] PS2 gains $18 and Xbox losses about $50
Uh... you're WAY the fuck off here. Sorry but you're very VERY wrong.

PS2 initially was sold at a loss, it leveled off shortly before the first price cut then was sold at a loss again until about 5 months ago, IIRC. Now it's sold at a slight profit, but the Network Adapter kit is going to cut back into the profits like mad (license for proscan DVD, remote receiver in console, NA included...).

GameCube hardware has been making a profit from the start. QED.

Xbox started at >$100 loss, and AFAIK it was very close to breaking even before the first price drop, but right now I'd guesstimate an $80 loss per console.

[blizz]

what you also have to factor into the cost of the console is the R&D costs, they may be cheap to make but they still have those costs to account for as well.

[alexa999]

Did anyone find out where to download the ISO explained in the first post? I'm not asking where to get it I am just asking if anyone found out where.

[Hexidecimal]

even if gamecube dumps are going on like mad all of the sudden, why would anyone want to get their hands on them that doesnt know how to program.

1) You cant mod your gamecube, no reason too.
2) You CANT burn a gamecube game.

[vampireuk]

Did anyone find out where to download the ISO explained in the first post? I'm not asking where to get it I am just asking if anyone found out where.

No :puke: