PSX: Not Quite PS3

[Plisco]

Here (http://gamesradar.msn.co.uk/news/default.asp?subsectionid=158&articleid=65391&pagetype=2)
Its not PS3 but the dvd recorder sounds cool. IMO the price will determine its success though.

[Stezo2k]

wow that looks awesome :) thanx for the news mate

[Plisco]

Originally posted by Stezo2k
wow that looks awesome :) thanx for the news mate
:P No prob

here (http://ps2.ign.com/articles/421/421027p1.html) for IGN's article and here (http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/news/news_6029048.html) for gamespots coverage.

[Tagrineth]

I think it looks awful. Needs a redesign badly.

Also reminds me too much of the Panasonic 3DO.

And finally, I think Sony is forgetting its own history. The original "PlayStation" was PSX. ("PlayStation X", I'll recount the history of the name if you all want :))

[Plisco]

Originally posted by Tagrineth
I think it looks awful. Needs a redesign badly.

Also reminds me too much of the Panasonic 3DO.

And finally, I think Sony is forgetting its own history. The original "PlayStation" was PSX. ("PlayStation X", I'll recount the history of the name if you all want :))

Go on recount the history. I always thought the x bit was a codename of when the playstation was being developed.

[ra5555]

Looks great, can't wait till PS3 come out though. :saint:

[Jaz]

Originally posted by Plisco
Go on recount the history. I always thought the x bit was a codename of when the playstation was being developed.

Yeah, you're right. It was a code name that kinda stuck around! But obviously not the official name of the thing. :)

[Tagrineth]

Yup. Here goes...

Originally the PlayStation started life as Sony's candidate for the SNES CD-ROM. When Sony and Nintendo had a majour disagreement over licensing, though, Sony split and took the hardware with them.

Initially, the standalone they started calling PlayStation was to be a media centre like what's being discussed today, with features like out-of-the-box VCD and SVCD support (or some equivalent thereof), and through a cross-licensing agreement, it would also have had an SNES cartridge slot and nearly full compatibility with SNES games.

However, when this PlayStation was being demoed, Sega was already starting to unveil what would become Saturn (at the time, only one SH-2 and I think a few other things weren't in there yet), and they got wind of Nintendo's unholy alliance with SGI and Rambus... and they freaked out; their PlayStation was sorely outclassed.

So they took it back to design.

They replaced the 16-bit processor with the 32-bit r3400i, and added an external FPU, the GTE. They replaced the mostly-2D video chip with an almost 100% 3D chip, and planned to use that as a marketing point to upset Saturn's continued 2D focus. They also ripped out the multimedia and SNES functions - too expensive with the powerful hardware.

The revised, games-ONLY machine was re-badged the PlayStation X.

(as a result of PSX, Nintendo focused more on serious 3D capability, and Sega panicked - they realised the single 28.6MHz SH-2 could NOT compare to the ~30MHz (not final at the time) r3400i + GTE, so they popped in a second SH-2 and I think they also added VDP2... and they advertised Saturn's difficult 3D capabilities more... but that's what caused Saturn's failure - the PlayStation X drew attention to 3D and initially, Saturn simply couldn't compare)

[Stezo2k]

Originally posted by Tagrineth
Yup. Here goes...

Originally the PlayStation started life as Sony's candidate for the SNES CD-ROM. When Sony and Nintendo had a majour disagreement over licensing, though, Sony split and took the hardware with them.

Initially, the standalone they started calling PlayStation was to be a media centre like what's being discussed today, with features like out-of-the-box VCD and SVCD support (or some equivalent thereof), and through a cross-licensing agreement, it would also have had an SNES cartridge slot and nearly full compatibility with SNES games.

However, when this PlayStation was being demoed, Sega was already starting to unveil what would become Saturn (at the time, only one SH-2 and I think a few other things weren't in there yet), and they got wind of Nintendo's unholy alliance with SGI and Rambus... and they freaked out; their PlayStation was sorely outclassed.

So they took it back to design.

They replaced the 16-bit processor with the 32-bit r3400i, and added an external FPU, the GTE. They replaced the mostly-2D video chip with an almost 100% 3D chip, and planned to use that as a marketing point to upset Saturn's continued 2D focus. They also ripped out the multimedia and SNES functions - too expensive with the powerful hardware.

The revised, games-ONLY machine was re-badged the PlayStation X.

(as a result of PSX, Nintendo focused more on serious 3D capability, and Sega panicked - they realised the single 28.6MHz SH-2 could NOT compare to the ~30MHz (not final at the time) r3400i + GTE, so they popped in a second SH-2 and I think they also added VDP2... and they advertised Saturn's difficult 3D capabilities more... but that's what caused Saturn's failure - the PlayStation X drew attention to 3D and initially, Saturn simply couldn't compare)

thanx mate, that info was intresting to read :satisfied

[DuDe]

Originally posted by Tagrineth
I think it looks awful. Needs a redesign badly.

I think it actually looks rather posh. A nice and clean design, just the way that I like it.

[Slougi]

Originally posted by DuDe
I think it actually looks rather posh. A nice and clean design, just the way that I like it.
Yeah, I think it looks very very cool. Anyone notice that it has a d-sub connector? (PC Monitor)

[Jaz]

Originally posted by DuDe
I think it actually looks rather posh. A nice and clean design, just the way that I like it.

I agree. Look at the sexy blue light! :satisfied

[Jaz]

Also, lets all admit that it looks cool as shit in this pic..

[FAR]

Playstation is an underdeveloped, technological bullshit from Sony. Only stupid kids buy it for playing GTA3 (which is a cool game, anyway) and "mass" games that worth shit.

[ScottJC]

Rubbish, the playstation2 is a fine piece of technology, there is nothing wrong with it, it plays dvds psx and ps2 games, whats so bad about that exactly?

People claim the same things about the n64, but blaming hardware for bad games is stupid, besides there are good games on the playstation 2, such as Kingdom Hearts and FFX, gta3, gtavc
wipeout is good too, if bugger all else at least you can use it to watch movies.

nuff said.

[Slougi]

Of the current consoles the PS2 is the best by far, as it has the best games out for it. I liked Dreamcast better myself, but that did not quite work out for Sega...

[FAR]

I was only suggesting that Sony seriously cheats on people with their big advertising campaigns that promise much more than a gamer gets if he/she is stupid enough to buy it
Nintendo, I think, is fair enough, and you get what you are promised.

[vampireuk]

I like the design of the new one too :)

Out of the consoles out I personally prefer the X-Box:satisfied

[Plisco]

Originally posted by Jaz


I agree. Look at the sexy blue light! :satisfied

Dam that is sexy :)

[Tagrineth]

Originally posted by Sayargh
Rubbish, the playstation2 is a fine piece of technology, there is nothing wrong with it, it plays dvds psx and ps2 games, whats so bad about that exactly?

There's a lot wrong with it ;)

But yes, it has some excellent games... even if it's very VERY badly engineered overall.

[AlphaWolf]

Originally posted by Tagrineth

Originally the PlayStation started life as Sony's candidate for the SNES CD-ROM. When Sony and Nintendo had a majour disagreement over licensing, though, Sony split and took the hardware with them.


Ah...the good ol' days. Had nintendo not been so anal about their licensing, they wouldn't be in such a pickle right now :P

[Stezo2k]

Originally posted by Tagrineth
There's a lot wrong with it ;)

But yes, it has some excellent games... even if it's very VERY badly engineered overall.

i agree with both of you guys, the engineering is quite poor though, needs more speed, and it lacks antialising/ps1 enhancement, Doesnt look that nice (I prefered the old design from UK PSM, when it was called playstation 2000) & The DVD function is poor.

But it is a gr8 console, and has a very nice lineup of games, thats why i traded my GC for one, never regreted it

[Tagrineth]

Originally posted by Stezo2k
i agree with both of you guys, the engineering is quite poor though, needs more speed, and it lacks antialising/ps1 enhancement, Doesnt look that nice (I prefered the old design from UK PSM, when it was called playstation 2000) & The DVD function is poor.

Lacks PS enhancement? When the system starts, go to System Information, highlight PlayStation(R) Driver, and hit Triangle. =)

[Cyberman]

Originally posted by FAR
Playstation is an underdeveloped, technological bullshit from Sony. Only stupid kids buy it for playing GTA3 (which is a cool game, anyway) and "mass" games that worth shit.
I differ with you.. in fact I think your idea of 'good' and bad might be limited. When most games came out for the PS1 <for people who are game challenged I'll call it that> the majority of the games were 2d simple peices O crap.

Right now games have become inordinately complex with voice acting 3d etc. being substituted for substance. It will be many years before the video game industry I think will be able to put out more decent games, due to economic issues and more importantly, they've totally lost it with the 3d excitement.. just how many 'cool looking graphics' are going to make up for a crappy design, I don't really know. The basic games are really lacking.

So to say 1 piece of hard ware has crap written for it is hypermyopic when the whole of the industry in general has crap written all over it. I have bough 2 games for my PS2 and I've had it a year and a half. NOTHING out there seems really interesting, and for the PSX I've bought 30 for the 3 years I played it a lot. That's 10 a year. To be honest there REALLY aren't that many GOOD games.

Cyb

[Tagrineth]

Um, Cyberman, the people who are saying PS2 is underdeveloped crap and that it's badly made are talking about the hardware, not the games.

[Jaz]

Originally posted by Tagrineth
Um, Cyberman, the people who are saying PS2 is underdeveloped crap and that it's badly made are talking about the hardware, not the games.

But they're always saying that it's the games that make the hardware, not the hardware that makes the games. Or something. ;)

[Stezo2k]

Originally posted by Tagrineth
Lacks PS enhancement? When the system starts, go to System Information, highlight PlayStation(R) Driver, and hit Triangle. =)

i know ive done that before, still not much difference, i am still disapointed on the enhancement though, you'd expect it to enhance the graphics, i mean look at bleem for dreamcast, glad i bought it though :)

[URAMetroid]

First: I never like'd the PS one (or PSX), and I never like'd the PS2.

Second: I think the name "PSX" is a bad name maybe "PS2X" is a better name, because when I hear "PSX" I think of the PS one when I hear it.

Third: there is no game for me available on the PS2

[NeoNight]

Originally posted by FAR
Playstation is an underdeveloped, technological bullshit from Sony. Only stupid kids buy it for playing GTA3 (which is a cool game, anyway) and "mass" games that worth shit.

whoa who pissed in your coffee? :getlost:

the psx sounds good though I wonder how much its going to cost, I mean dvd recoders cost alot, 120 gig hds can cost alot.........

[URAMetroid]

Originally posted by NeoNight


whoa who pissed in your coffee? :getlost:

the psx sounds good though I wonder how much its going to cost, I mean dvd recoders cost alot, 120 gig hds can cost alot.........


I think about the same as a brand new video card or more. But if it only plays PS2 games, why spend more money then you have to play the same game?
In my opinion it's like buying a brand new video card for $499 just to play DOOM, it's not going to make you game look any better!

[Tagrineth]

Originally posted by Stezo2k
i know ive done that before, still not much difference, i am still disapointed on the enhancement though, you'd expect it to enhance the graphics, i mean look at bleem for dreamcast, glad i bought it though :)

It filters textures so they don't block up to hell up close.

The only other way it could "enhance" the graphics is rendering at a higher resolution... but PS2 attempts to simulate PS1's hardware at a very fine level, which gives it around ~99% compatibility. I doubt Bleem!cast can run half as many games.