Games that are WAY better emulated

[jeromyho]

Fun Game. Try to list no more than five games games that are much more enjoyable emulated than on the N64 console. When I mean way better, I mean WAY better. Of course any game that is 100% emulated can be consider better (improved graphics, can save anywhere.) But I want those that are really significant. If you can say why. There's only one rule: It's all up to your personal opinion and experience. ( Oh, and you don't have to have owned or played it on the console.)

Now that that point has been beat upside your head. Here's mine.

Mace- The Dark Ages

N64: Average fighting game that seriously sacrificed frame rate for eye candy. While it has it's cult following, I thought it was too lethargic for my taste.

Emu: Merely crank the counter facter up by one and it feels like a whole new game. The combos feel like combos and all that crap in the background starts to matter more. Also some of the characters (particularly those with long weapons) don't feel as useless anymore.

Improvement: C- to B

Turok 2- Seeds of evil

N64: Great game. One of the best on the system. However, it had two fundamental flaws: the lack of save locations and a laglike framerate at some of its most intense scenes.

Emu: Yes, I know I said saving anywhere is pretty much a universal improvement for all emulated N64 games. But this one in particular just cries for it. Anyone thats played it knows what I'm talking about. Unfortunately, you lose the map functionality and I refuse to bump down the graphics for a smoother playing experience.

Improvement: To hell with the map. After I leave level one, I leave those little yellow diamonds laying around to guide me and just have no need for a map. A- to A+

Knife Edge-Nose Gunner

Improvement: Can play with the mouse. D- to C

Sorry for the long post. Just thought I'd contribute to this board for a change. Also, wanted to break up the monotony of people asking for help only to be harrassed for their system specs, and then immediately told to use the search feature. :saint:

[Lachp30]

Super Mario 64. Damn good at high res:)

[jeromyho]

Hey thanks Lachp30

Amazingly I never thought of that. Mario 64 should still give you top speed at any resolution. So might as well crank that puppy up. Ah! Now to test it
:satisfied

[Natus]

both of the zeldas, mainly because of the ability to state save :)

[Lachp30]

Originally posted by jeromyho
Hey thanks Lachp30

Amazingly I never thought of that. Mario 64 should still give you top speed at any resolution. So might as well crank that puppy up. Ah! Now to test it
:satisfied

Thanks:P (my first compliment on emutalk:P) BTW, nice list you have there:)

[cooliscoo]

Sin & Punishment: Successor to Earth. Damn awesome with the mouse. Graphics and overall game architecture is damn amazing aswell. :phone:

[jeromyho]

Thanks (my first compliment on emutalk) BTW, nice list you have there


What can I say I'm a big ol' bucket of love.

:satisfied

But seriously, thanks!!!

For a second, I thought my post was stupid. ( Usual result of boredom.) Yet it's actually useful, for me at least. Sin & Punishment with the mouse!

:emutalk:

I must turn my brain off when I play, why didn't I try that!

But here's a great one that I can't believe that I forgot

Forsaken 64

N64: Great game no matter how you look at it. Nice shiny graphics. Good clone of Descent. Zero competition on the system period! You want a Descent clone this is your ONLY choice! Yet, the whole thing is ruined by a thumb snapping, carpal tunnel enducing control scheme. The N64 controller just isn't suitable for perfect play.

Emulated: Use a cheap flight stick with a hat switch + your keyboard, and everything changes. Hands down, the N64 title that benefits the most from emulation. Bad points=> It's a PC title, and an inexpensive one at that. However, I don't think the PC version has bots (not sure at least. And while this sounds bad, roms=free.

Improvement: C+ to A- ( Yes that much)

[ra5555]

Originally posted by Natus
both of the zeldas, mainly because of the ability to state save :)

agreed here, zeldas are the best games on n64 and any mistakes in emulation will probably be noticed by someone.

[cooliscoo]

Originally posted by jeromyho
What can I say I'm a big ol' bucket of love.

:satisfied

But seriously, thanks!!!

For a second, I thought my post was stupid. ( Usual result of boredom.) Yet it's actually useful, for me at least. Sin & Punishment with the mouse!

:emutalk:

I must turn my brain off when I play, why didn't I try that!

But here's a great one that I can't believe that I forgot

Forsaken 64

N64: Great game no matter how you look at it. Nice shiny graphics. Good clone of Descent. Zero competition on the system period! You want a Descent clone this is your ONLY choice! Yet, the whole thing is ruined by a thumb snapping, carpal tunnel enducing control scheme. The N64 controller just isn't suitable for perfect play.

Emulated: Use a cheap flight stick with a hat switch + your keyboard, and everything changes. Hands down, the N64 title that benefits the most from emulation. Bad points=> It's a PC title, and an inexpensive one at that. However, I don't think the PC version has bots (not sure at least. And while this sounds bad, roms=free.

Improvement: C+ to A- ( Yes that much)

I posted about the mouse with sin and punishment, not Lachp. hehe. :P

Seriously, it makes a HUGE difference on the game. :)

[jeromyho]

Sorry cool, I knew you said. Didn't mean to take your props away. And you are most definately correct, it DOES make a huge difference.

[ScottJC]

all n64 games that work great are better emulated :D

reason: Higher Resolution with Quincunx Anti-Aliasing, *drool*

you can save whenever you want.. as some have mentioned.

third reason: i don't need my n64 (my brother in law has mine at the moment, grr, gotta get that back some day!)

well, i do love using my real n64, especially when i've got 45 games on it, :happy:

[straight]

Duke Zero Hour. Or any FPS-type game (I know, Duke isn't really first person, but still...) because you can play with mouse-look!

Actually, I'm not sure Duke ZH is a better game on PC, because it's actually too easy when you aren't handicapped by second-rate controls. (Have you heard that the folks porting Halo from X-Box to PC are having to up the difficulty because it's too easy when you have a mouse and can aim accurately?)

[chris_j11]

sorry if i'm not allow to do this, but

anyone in this post willing to share the game
>sin and punishment

[Allnatural]

Originally posted by chris_j11
sorry if i'm not allow to do this, but

anyone in this post willing to share the game
>sin and punishment
Another one bites the dust. :rolleyes:

If anyone is concerned as to my meaning, I will refer you to the Rules (http://www.emutalk.net/rules.php?s=Array%5Bsessionhash%5D).

[HippyShoes]

Ok, I´m new to this scene - mac user still waiting for either mupen or sixtyforce to mature to a stage where something is fully playable with sound at full speed.

Anyway, my question is: does N64 emulation allow you to play and finish titles? Like, has anyone actually started a title (such as Zelda:OOT) from the beginning on their puter and finished it? Or are there too many little bugs (even in the likes of PJ64)??


HS

[Allnatural]

Originally posted by HippyShoes
Ok, I´m new to this scene - mac user still waiting for either mupen or sixtyforce to mature to a stage where something is fully playable with sound at full speed.

Anyway, my question is: does N64 emulation allow you to play and finish titles? Like, has anyone actually started a title (such as Zelda:OOT) from the beginning on their puter and finished it? Or are there too many little bugs (even in the likes of PJ64)??


HS
I couldn't provide a list, but numerous games can be played to completion. Just about anything listed as "Compatible" in the GUI I believe, as well as many others with minor bugs. :)

[noctrun]

Originally posted by HippyShoes
does N64 emulation allow you to play and finish titles?

in one word: yes

but there might be some gfx problems on many games stated as playable, as for zelda oot, I found some time and finished it myself awhile ago

[scotty]

I agree that the entire Turok series of gaems are better emulated, except the fact that I cannot use the map in the second one, or I get a microcode error. Perfect Dark is better emulated as well, not Goldeneye though. Mario is good too.

[sk8bloke22]

personally i dont think game feels better emulated as opposed to be being played on the real thing. but i guess sticking ur pc to a tv with an adaptoid helps loads, if u r sad enuff to do it, which i am, and yes that makes things loads better. seriously 4-player goldeneye on the n64 was fucking good, i dont think playing it on a pc compares despite having better gfx, speed, sound, etc.

[james.miller]

i agree. you cant beat 4 player goldeneye or PDark any any pc or console. IT absolutly ruled, and still does. if only they would bring out a proper update to goldeneye on the pc. think goldeye running on the unreal2 engine, with the possibility of hundreds of players. One.Sweet.Game.....

[nephalim]

Originally posted by HippyShoes
Anyway, my question is: does N64 emulation allow you to play and finish titles? Like, has anyone actually started a title (such as Zelda:OOT) from the beginning on their puter and finished it? Or are there too many little bugs (even in the likes of PJ64)??

YES! I play and finish both OoT and MM on PJ64 (with other plugins) regularly!
There are small graphics glitches in almost every single game. However, with PJ64 (the best core emulator), you can COMPLETE something like 75% of N64 games.

Now, there's a big "if" to this equation. Well, two.

#1 - your graphics card. If you have an old crappy graphics card (or basically anything non-radeon or Geforce) you will experience either the game bad to the point of not working (graphics glitches up the wazu) or added graphics glitches.

#2 - Your cpu. This isn't SO important anymore. You'll want about a 1ghz machine to play everything at full speed if you want to avoid all glitches and play the game with the best settings

My graphics card sucks, but I believe with PJ64 1.5 you can finish Zelda with a whopping 1 or 2 minor graphics glitches (with ideal hardware.) The most common things are missing effects and such (and framebuffer emulation, which even that you can now get with some plugins, Jabo's PJ64 1.5 included.) I don't have ideal hardware, so I use Glide64/eVoodoo. The glitches are there, but nothing major.

Usually it's just a matter of 1) does the game work at all and 2) how many graphics glitches are there.

Now, there are some odd games that have core problems, but it's definetely a small percentage (around 25%,) and they are the lesser-known and less popular games.

[Vchat20]

I think Mario64 is the best emulated IMO. and it works perfect even on my old crappy 333MHZ machine with an onboard ati graphics card. I can play it at full fps, full screen with just about all options up except for the fact that I have to run it at 320x240x16 resolution. besides the res I can run it 100% perfectly here.

P.S. any ideas on other N64 games that can run the same as Mario64 emulated?

[Mekanikles]

320*240? Hehe, go and get those pixels:D

[Vchat20]

well, what do you think the native resolution for the actual console is? Ive been playing a couple games on the real thing and can tell you it looks pretty damned close to 320x240

[Clements]

Originally posted by Vchat20

P.S. any ideas on other N64 games that can run the same as Mario64 emulated?

Looking at your specs, I reckon Starfox 64 would run well too on a 333MHz, and maybe Quest 64 or similar simple games.

[Vchat20]

well, I have tryed Starfox and it runs as well as most other games. about 10fps-15fps. Cruisn' USA and Goldeneye are the worst. they run at about 3fps I think.

[Clements]

Look for roms that are around 8 Meg in size and released within 2 years of the N64 release (1996-1998) These will work best. Obviously this is just a guide and there are always exceptions.

Some games need a lot more to run than others, esp. Goldeneye, PD etc.

[Tagrineth]

Originally posted by Vchat20
well, what do you think the native resolution for the actual console is? Ive been playing a couple games on the real thing and can tell you it looks pretty damned close to 320x240

It's harder to tell than you'd think, huh?

N64 uses a fantastic analytic AA algorithm... and when it works, it works.

But yes, the base resolution for many games is 320x240, and some games go up to 640x480. Not many though. There's also an intermediate resolution, IIRC, but I can't remember it.

[Vchat20]

the only games that really give away the resolution are games like CUSA, Star Wars ESB, and there was another, but I forgot.

P.S. any possible external use of that AA algorithim? or is it in a kinda grey area right now?