XP or 2K

[Niggy G]

I came up with the brilliant idea of formatting my HD today. :cry: All so I could duel boot and have 95 (used for old dos games) and XP. Previously I had been using 2K but I thought since I’m doing this I may as well use XP when I reinstall.

I would be using a cracked version of XP but I’ve read that the final version of SP1 for XP will have ‘Special Features’ meaning dodgy versions won’t work.

Another factor is that I have seen people on this board saying that the Firestorm Duel Force Pad doesn’t rumble on N64 emus in XP. Is this True?

Should I stick with 2K? - I’m thinking that way at the moment.

[Allnatural]

A hundred people here will tell you to use XP (morality issue notwithstanding). A handful will tell you to stick with 2k. I'm part of the handful.

2k all the way.^_^

[2bzy4ne1]

:ermm:I don't know but is it possible to triple boot with 95, XP, and 2000? If you can, that way you could see if 2000 or xp will work for you better.:D

[Eagle]

Originally posted by 2bzy4ne1
:ermm:I don't know but is it possible to triple boot with 95, XP, and 2000? If you can, that way you could see if 2000 or xp will work for you better.:D

Why? You can do this but you really only need 1 linux, 1 9x kernel, and 1 NT kernel, and most dont need that many. I suppose you could do it to test them, but thats a lot of trouble for very little accomplishment.

[Niggy G]

triple boot with 95, XP, and 2000

:cry: :cry: :cry:


really only need 1 linux, 1 9x kernel, and 1 NT kernel
:cry: :cry: :cry:

Im having difficult enough time getting this to work as it is, don't scare me!!

Another question does anyone know how to get the ASUS V6800 Geforce 256 working in win 95? I have downloaded the drivers but i get an error message when trying to install them.

"Setup was unable to locate a detected devices PCI ID in NVIDS.CFG.
The installation will now be terminated."

[Cyberman]

Originally posted by Niggy G
:cry: :cry: :cry:


:cry: :cry: :cry:

Im having difficult enough time getting this to work as it is, don't scare me!!

Another question does anyone know how to get the ASUS V6800 Geforce 256 working in win 95? I have downloaded the drivers but i get an error message when trying to install them.

"Setup was unable to locate a detected devices PCI ID in NVIDS.CFG.
The installation will now be terminated."

Ummm don't use WinXP.. unless you enjoy being spyed on. Furthermore all security etc on your machine is mostly dependant on microsofts computer systems (on the internet). Don't forget if you change your video card you might need to get a new license as well. I like Win2K it's not great and is easy to kill with some skill but it seems to work OK.

About the error

Your error is likely due to the fact that either you have an AGP card or that the card you have isn't in the NVIDS.CFG file. My guess is it could be both. I don't think AGP was around when windows 95 was made (gee.. can you say.. non forward thinking?).

It's looking for the configuration information for your card basically :)

Cyb

[vampireuk]

stick with win2k:cool:

[Niggy G]

I don't think AGP was around when windows 95 was made

That was what i thought the problem could be.

The site i downloaded the driver from clearly stated a number of cards it supported and the Geforce 256 was one of the, it also said that the driver was for Win 95/98/ME.

So can windows 95 use AGP or what???

Found this on the net...

you must be running at least Win95 OSR2.1 (950B), the AGP support softwares were added along with USB support in OSR2.1

...so i must add, i am using 95b

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:




stick with win2k:cool:

I am sticking with 2000 now but...

I also want 95 for dos games (sam n max, day of the testical)

I supose my answer would be to duel boot with 98 and 2000 if 95 does not support AGP!

[Eagle]

Originally posted by Cyberman
Ummm don't use WinXP.. unless you enjoy being spyed on.

What is that supposed to mean? Tell me you arent one of those Microsoft Conspiracy Theorists.

[Eagle]

XP is more compatible with 9x software than 2k, though there are a few exceptions to the rule. As for DOS, well, thats just the opposite, neither are very compatible there. XP is better for compatibility all around though. Its a lot faster and probably more of what your looking for.

[Niggy G]

I've got it working now, it was just as much a task to see if i could do it as anythiing else.

One last thing though...

When my comp boots up and it goes to the operating selection screen i can choose between "Windows 2000 Profesional edition"
or "Microsoft Windows". Is it possible to change the caption of the second choce (which is win 95)?

Thanks for everyones input! :)

[Allnatural]

Originally posted by Niggy G
One last thing though...

When my comp boots up and it goes to the operating selection screen i can choose between "Windows 2000 Profesional edition"
or "Microsoft Windows". Is it possible to change the caption of the second choce (which is win 95)?
Look in the boot.ini, in the root of your boot drive. There will be a reference to "Microsoft Windows" in there, something like this:

multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WIND OWS="Microsoft Windows"

Change it to say whatever you want (the part in quotes).:)

[Eagle]

Right click my computer, click properties, click advanced, click startup and recovery settings, click edit. This basically opens the Boot.ini for you so you dont have to look for it and open it yourself. If you know where to go its faster to do it this way, not much though.

[Niggy G]

I knew about right clicking my comp>Advanced>Start up and recovering but i didn't seem to be able to do anything there!

There is no edit button..

also ive searched my HD for a boot.ini and there isn't one.

Ive attatched an image...

[Allnatural]

Originally posted by Niggy G
also ive searched my HD for a boot.ini and there isn't one.
Folder Options/View/Show hidden files...

[AlphaWolf]

Originally posted by Eagle
XP is more compatible with 9x software than 2k, though there are a few exceptions to the rule. As for DOS, well, thats just the opposite, neither are very compatible there. XP is better for compatibility all around though. Its a lot faster and probably more of what your looking for.

What are you basing this off of?

I know this much, when I look at the nt compatibility database, windows 2000 has a much higher compatibility rate than XP.

[Eagle]

Originally posted by Niggy G
I knew about right clicking my comp>Advanced>Start up and recovering but i didn't seem to be able to do anything there!

There is no edit button..

also ive searched my HD for a boot.ini and there isn't one.

Ive attatched an image...

I guess 2k doesnt have the edit button like XP

[Eagle]

Originally posted by AlphaWolf
What are you basing this off of?

I know this much, when I look at the nt compatibility database, windows 2000 has a much higher compatibility rate than XP.

Your compatibility database is probably based off of pure XP. They dont account for compatibility modes. In 2k compatibility modes dont work, well they might but not as effectively as XP, I know cause I've tried them.

I'd bet if they tried with compatibility modes, you could get all the games 2000 will run to work and then some.

[AlphaWolf]

eagle: 2K has the same compatibility modes that XP has, and yes they do whatever is necessary to make the program, hardware, game, or what have you, work in that OS, including turning on the compatibility modes, or in the case of old old DOS games, running dos sound emulators. If you go look, even some of microsofts own 9X games that don't run in XP will actualy run in 2K, compatibility modes and all tested.

www.ntcompatible.com

But my question to you still remains, what are you basing your previous statement about compatibility off of?

[Eagle]

No they dont have the same compatibility modes, 2k was the first expirament with them, they were greatly improved by the time XP came out. It only makes sense after all, look at the edit button they added to the startup properties. They added improvements to compatibility modes too. And your website there isnt working, besides, I dont trust the word of this one website anyway.

[AlphaWolf]

They haven't changed any of the compatibility modes, they are the same. I use both OSes. In terms of compatibility, they didn't realy try to improve it with XP, they just took what 2K had and tried to make the shell more flashy in terms of graphics, along with some additions like the firewall service and some back end changes to the SMB protocol, those are the only major changes. XP actualy *breaks* compatibility as a result of these "user friendly" changes. That server is down for some reason, I bet it will be back up tommorow.

But again I ask, what are you basing these statements off of?

[Niggy G]

Hidden files are shown!!! :plain:

are u sure there is a boot.ini in 2K?

:plain:

[AlphaWolf]

Niggy: its there, look in the root of your boot partition.

[Harteex]

Dual Boot Win2k and MS-Dos :D

[Niggy G]

Ive used the search utility but it finds nothing ... (as shown)


Ive also tried looking manualy on the HD in system 32 and stuff but nothing...

What exactly do you mean by "the root of your boot partition"?



:blush:

[AlphaWolf]

in your run dialog, type "notepad c:\boot.ini" (no quotes), assuming that "drive c" is the partition that you boot from, which it most likely is. Make sure that you have explorer out of its default "user is a moron" mode (make it show all files, show all extentions, hidden operating system files, etc). Ignore those warnings that it gives when you turn them off, only morons need to pay attention to the warnings, because they realy are stupid.


Originally posted by Eagle
It only makes sense after all, look at the edit button they added to the startup properties.

BTW, that edit button has nothing to do with compatibility mode, its the same thing as opening the run dialog and typing in "notepad c:\boot.ini"

Also, speaking of speed with 2K vs XP...

http://www.infoworld.com/articles/tc/xml/01/10/29/011029tcwinxp.xml


TEST CENTER PERSPECTIVE
The results of our benchmark tests indicate that Windows XP is significantly slower than Windows 2000, especially under heavy load. Unless investing in new hardware for demanding users is an option, companies should stick with Windows 2000.


About the only reason I can think of with going with XP over 2K is if you would rather have a more flashy GUI than a faster, more compatible system :)

[t0rek]

Here is the rule:

1. Win95 is out of date
2. Between Win98, Win98 SE and WinME, choose Win98 SE
3. Win2000 is very good
4. WinXP is even better than Win2000
5. All of them are M$ son don't expect any miracle with them

[Eagle]

Originally posted by bestlegion
Here is the rule:

1. Win95 is out of date
2. Between Win98, Win98 SE and WinME, choose Win98 SE
3. Win2000 is very good
4. WinXP is even better than Win2000
5. All of them are M$ son don't expect any miracle with them

I'll swear by rule 5.

[AlphaWolf]

Originally posted by bestlegion
Here is the rule:

1. Win95 is out of date
2. Between Win98, Win98 SE and WinME, choose Win98 SE
3. Win2000 is very good
4. WinXP is even better than Win2000


Almost all of you guys who say this haven't even tried 2000. Moving from 2000 to XP is like moving from 98SE to Millennium Edition. Its got more flashy shit for the user, but underneath its overall a poor quality operating system in comparison. (though I will admit, 2000 to XP isn't as much of a downgrade as 98SE to ME)

[Niggy G]

Im at uni now and by doing exactly the same thing as i have done at home i can find the boot.ini file easy!!

But im telling you when i get back home there is no boot.ini
on my C: (win 95) or D: (win 2K)

[AlphaWolf]

I don't see how it can't be there, NTLDR relies on it.

[Olger901]

1st Stick with 2k. XP is too slow through all its stupid features,

2nd Alot of junk is added in xp which isnt implanted in 2k Like MSN Messenger, Windows Movie Maker etc, its just a waste of diskspace.

3rd In WinXP MS Spys on u.

4th XP is slower than 2k at least on my comp it is

[Eagle]

Originally posted by Olger901
1st Stick with 2k. XP is too slow through all its stupid features,


Uhh, XP is actually faster


Originally posted by Olger901
2nd Alot of junk is added in xp which isnt implanted in 2k Like MSN Messenger, Windows Movie Maker etc, its just a waste of diskspace.

Well, you got me there, but that can be removed.


Originally posted by Olger901
3rd In WinXP MS Spys on u.


Thats bullshit and you know it. If they spy on you in one they spy on you in the other as well.


Originally posted by Olger901
4th XP is slower than 2k at least on my comp it is

I thought this was point #1 but we can hit it again...
It must be just your computer. XP runs much faster on every other computer Ive tried installing both of them on. If your on a network or broadband especially, 2k likes to bog down NIC cards.

[AlphaWolf]

Originally posted by Eagle
2k runs much faster on every other computer Ive tried installing both of them on.

Finaly you have come to realize what I've been telling you <_<. I've never seen anything that proves otherwise, neither first hand nor on the 'net. Again, its like the difference between 98SE and ME, the one made after the other turned out worse.

[flow``]

i've juggled between the two Os's quite a lot lately. I guess i've gone for XP (not sure why), maybe more dev'rs are more focused on it rather then win9x/2k (and just say here's a made-for-xp piece of software, but it works on 2k too).

after you right click on my pc, settings, advanced, performance->settings "adjust for best performance".. i really have no problems. doing that made a big difference on my mom's p3 600 machine/tnt vanta/256 ram.

maybe you should give it a chance.

[Eagle]

Originally posted by AlphaWolf
Finaly you have come to realize what I've been telling you <_<. I've never seen anything that proves otherwise, neither first hand nor on the 'net. Again, its like the difference between 98SE and ME, the one made after the other turned out worse.

Oops thats a typo, must get sleep.

That was supposed to say XP not 2k.

[Niggy G]

I’ve found the boot.ini :D

I’m a bit stupid really!

I thought when you 'show hidden files' it showed everything but there’s another thing you have to uncheck as well.

Oh well its done now and thanks for everyone’s patience! :)

[t0rek]

I already tested Win2000, is good but I said, WinXP is better, I'm agree with Eagle. Perhaps is we continue discussing which OS is better, I bet Eagle will close this thread. <_<

[Eagle]

Yeah well it is kinda monotonous, no matter what, half of us will say XP is better, the other half will say 2k is better, there is no point it arguing about it.

[DuDe]

Originally posted by Eagle
Yeah well it is kinda monotonous, no matter what, half of us will say XP is better, the other half will say 2k is better, there is no point it arguing about it.
Heh, not including the Linux users out there :D
Anyway, I use XP, and I like it - gaming performance isn't too shabby, I think that I uninstalled most of the unneeded crap, and the auto update service really cuts down on the size of the service packs that you have to download once in a while. I'm not saying it's better than 2K - I haven't used 2K extensively on that pc, so I can't say if it operates better here. I'm just saying that I don't want to mess around with a different OS, if the current one works ok.

[killthegene]

Heres the best solution:

dont waste time with windows and M$

use linux or hurd

after all linux is about to become the standard operating system. might as well migrate in advance.