Project 64 vs. 1964

[Rocketman_mab]

vs.

I'm just wondering what the difference is with these two emus.
When I got both of these programs they seemed to set up the same way and use the same plug-ins. It also seemed that they played the same games. So what's the deal? Is one better than the other? If so, which one? :sly: Does one work with more games than the other? So many questions......

[Smiff]

pretty much everything about them is different, it's just they both have very compatible cores, so they both run lots of games... but the compat is not identical... the plugins included are very different. the development and code is quite seperate.. so there will be lots and lots of differences, mostly quite subtle. Most users seem to show a strong preference for one or the other.

[crhylove]

i would tend to disagree with the "strong preference" argument.

in a nutshell:
pj64 is more stable, and you have to remember that the best current plugins came with IT.

1964 is faster, under more heavy development, and has the 32 bit core, which aside from making it LOADS faster in some games, makes it actually playable on some lower end machines.

basically, if you want today's emu that ain't too hard to setup go pj, otherwise, 1964. and in a week or so, DEFINITELY go 1964.

but at this point it's all about the plugins anyway....

/me drools waiting for the next strmn/rice plug...

w00t

[Smiff]

"in a week or two, definately 1964" - what is that supposed to mean. I knew this thread would rapidly turn gay no matter how hard i try to keep it level... these things are so complicated, with so many areas to consider, that there will never be a simply "best" emulator... i'm tempted to lock this because going from past experience people are probably incapable of discussing this properly... let's move to general - mods there have fun have eh.

[Eddy]

this thread is just stupid.

[Malcolm]

{sorry this is so long, ranting a bit}
Ok what I don't understand is why one emulator has to be better then another emulator. Every emulator have is strong points, some have many things in common, and then they all has their own flaws, but who cares. Emulation isn't about who can run what faster, though this is a major goal for emu authors, the main point of an emulator is a challenge to see if you can get a piece of hardware/software to run on a platform it wasn't designed for, not for people to just download and play games for free.

It annoys the bloody hell out of me when I see a thread like this, I first tried to ignore this one but holy crap people, get some perspective on a subject before you dive right into it. You people who are just here to get Warez N64 ROMs from download sites to play them for free instead of on a console should be ashamed of yourselves. YOU’RE the people who make video game companies go out of business, you’re the kind of people that make emulators look like a way valid programmers are trying to rip off people, when this "Emulation Scene" is more of a place to see what a programmer is capable of accomplishing, and you’re the people that make companies like Nintendo and Sega announce that Emulation is illegal and get valid sites shutdown.

NOTE TO NEWBIES.::. If you are just here to download ROMs and Emulators for cheap entertainment, get the flying f**k out of here, you should think about what your doing. You are stealing from (mostly) small companies that are contracted by larger companies to make a game. You are sending a message to your favourite game developers that you believe their game is worthless and that its only worth of the game is the time it took you to download.

What if someday you create something, and people instead of buying a copy (being it software, a movie, a book, or any other object that can be copied) just went out and copied a friends copy, of just decided to steal it from your warehouse before you had a chance to sell it to a distributor?

That’s all I have to say, if you disagree with me I'll be sure to set you straight in continuing posts.

[crhylove]

... but all i hear is, "waaaaahh."

obviously every emu has it's strong points. as to which emu is going to be most effective for the average rom loading n00b, my statements stand.

it's not a competition. in NO way did i put ANYONE down in my post. so if you have thin skin, i don't know GROW SOME.

fwiw i use almost every emu out, for almost every console, i'm a fan. not just of roms, as a matter of fact the only roms worth playing (for me) i already own in cartridge form, and several do not play currently in any emu.

i.e. dr mario for n64, one of my faves.

why does everyone have to fly off the handle, when a simple comparison is being made to let a n00b know where to go, and how to get there?

do you really think zilmar and jabo are gonna get all pissy that i said that (imho) the next incarnation of 1964 would be the highest compat for the average user? they ruled the whole scene for like 4 years. only recently when they officially ended their involvement, (after which they open sourced, which is a very VERY admirable thing) have other emus started catching up. in fact, that might be WHY many other emus are catching up.

so check your fan boy attitude at the door, and atfq, don't tell some n00b, rtfm.

waaahhh!!!

great, now i'm whining.

thanks alot!

rhy

[Malcolm]

Me whining? No no no, actually re-reading every it is you, crhylove, who was the one who created the original problem when you stated

in a week or so, DEFINITELY go 1964.

Smiff went of the defensive and I was supporting (sort of) that emulators shouldn't be compaired. When your point in that statement was that the new 1964 release should be out in 2 weeks. Misunderstanding on my (and probably Smiff's) part.

But I still stand by what I say, that most people in the "emulation scene" are here too leech free games and grab a free program to play them. The only emulators I actually have had a problem with are Bleem! (and Bleem!Cast) and that other PSX emulator that cost money.

That sums that up

[Rocketman_mab]

OK OK

Let's ALL get some perspective here!

When I started this thread I asked one simple question. Which emulator performed better. I had no intention of trying to find out out which ones ran which games in order to use those to "steal" from the gaming companies. I wanted to know the difference between TWO emulators for Christ's sake!!! How in the world do you go from "which two emulators work better, or how are they different" to "i hate cheap newbies". I'm interested in learning about emulation because it fascinates me. Please answer those original questions or Piss off!!

now it's me that needs the sedative

[Malcolm]

[quick answer]
Test them both.

Depending upon your video card Jabo's D3D Plug-in may be best (with either emu) but an emus performance is directly related to your system.

So, grab both (a total of 1.5mb) and try them both out.
[/quick answer]

Oh, and my comments are not directed to you in particular, they're directed to most of the new people trying emulation. Us older generation Emu'ers were here to mainly experiment and such, but most newer users (and this can be shown by viewing the present poll on Emu64.com) want an emulator to be out ASAP, even before the actual console is released. People can come to their own conclusions but mine are because people want to use Emulator rather then spending money for companies to further develop and prosper from what they have created. I hope that further elaborates on my previous post a little.