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    Red face I rarely post, but this was so damn funny...

    It all started with this post on the Dolphin forum...

    Quote Originally Posted by generalplot
    533mhz celeron,8gb seagate hdd,integrated ati rage pro turbo,96mb pc100 sdram,w98se,22 inch nec multisync FE1250+ flatscreen crt

    This may be off-topic, but this setup makes me feel really sorry for you. I hope you're not trying Dolphin on that dinosaur
    First off, I *love* getting in discussions with people. Especially if those people think they're better than others. I love putting them back in their place. So, I decided to reply in the thread, even though it was locked.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redah
    If you're going to diss someone's PC... at least make sure you yourself have a decent rig... a Pentium 4 2.4GHz ? Geforce FX 5200 ? Come on, that's just as crap as a 533Mhz Celly...
    And that was that. You'd think. But no, what did my mailbox say? "You have a new private message on Emutalk". Oh goodie! Haven't had those for a loooong time, since I barely hang out here anymore. Here's the message:

    Quote Originally Posted by generalplot
    You can't be serious? There's no way to compare a 533Mghtz Celery chip to an HT P4. And not that your system is much better, I mean an Athlon XP? What's your bus, 533? I'm doing 800. Hope you have fun with your budget chip.
    Ooo! Fighting time! Budget chip? When I bought the AthlonXP, it kicked the butt of all of the Pentium 4's in its class. But that doesn't matter, the AthlonXP was never a budget chip. Duron = budget, AthlonXP = high-end. Ofcourse, when the AMD64 arrived, the AthlonXP became the budget chip, but at that time, I didn't even -have- an AthlonXP anymore.

    But seeing as I haven't been on Emutalk for a long time, I never got the chance to update my system specs. So I did. And I replied. Ofcourse trying to stirr up a discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Redah
    Dude, you really know jack **** about computers eh A 533MHz FSB on an AthlonXP? 400MHz was the max, on the later Barton Cores (which I happened to have).

    Now, just for you, I've updated my systems specs thingie. Seeing as my current config is an Athlon64 3500+ with 4x 512MB (that's 2GB, or 2x 1GB in DualChannel), two nice S-ATA "Generation 2" harddisks in a RAID-0 array with another two S-ATA "Generation 1" harddisks in a RAID-1 array, and a system bus of 1000MHz (thank you HyperTransport).... I can confidently say that it will blow your silly Pentium 4 from here to eternity.

    And a Geforce FX 5200? Oh come on, that's the cheapest and worst card ever made, even a GeForce4 can beat it...

    The only point I'm trying to make is: Don't critisize people about their system specs if your own machine is an old dinosaur as well. And even then, don't critisize people over it. Perhaps he doesn't have money for a faster rig, or just doesn't want one. Simpel as that.

    I have the money. I want a fast rig. So yeah, I have every right to make fun of you.
    So there we have it. Perhaps this person just doesn't have a job or is trying to make payments for his house. What gives 'generalplot' the right to critisize him? And it gets even worse if your own PC is a slow ass machine (my old AthlonXP can beat his Pentium4, and his GeForce FX 5200 gets slapped in the face by the even older GeForce 4 Ti4600). It's like saying "haha, you have to walk!" when you yourself are rollerskating instead of riding a bike.

    Ofcourse a reply. This was about the point that 'generalplot' got a little ticked off, I think .

    Quote Originally Posted by generalplot
    Well, I don't use AMD and I'm waiting for the P5 before I upgrade. There are too many AMD *****s out there. When P5 runs circles around those A64's, I'll be sure to return the favor then. Also, my PC is only 2 years old, hardly a dinosaur.
    AMD *****s! I'm an AMD *****! Well duh, because as vampireuk stated it on IRC:

    (vampireuk) AMD are still making processors?
    (vampireuk) curse us amd *****s for paying less for faster processors




    That just about sums it up, so again I reply

    Quote Originally Posted by Redah
    Well ofcourse, as soon as the P5 is out, AMD will stop making CPUs... and they will never ever ever be able to beat Intel again. Duh, why didn't I think of that!

    Wake up, smell the coffee, stop ordering at Dell.
    Uh-Oh... I used the D-word. That just about ticks any Intel owner off. They refuse to accept that Dell is the only reason Intel is still in business. Ofcourse I get a reply:

    Quote Originally Posted by generalplot
    LMFAO, I don't order at Dell, I build my own PC's. As a note, I don't give a **** about AMD enough to keep up with their cheesy specs (this explains my not knowing what your bus speed was). You need to stop ordering at newegg. Just wait for P5, you'll see what 64 bit is really all about.
    I didn't realise newegg shipped to The Netherlands. But then again, what do I know? I was always under the impression that the AMD64 could do 64-bit. But apparently I'm now working on fake 64-bits (maybe they're 32-bit bits dressed as 64-bit bits!), because when the Pentium5 is out, I will see what 64-bit is really all about. Silly, silly me.

    But wait, a few minutes later, a new reply, even though I didn't send anything back. He must be ******, seeing as the title of the reply says "Your weak chip won't last forever". I know it won't last forever! I expect it to burn itself to pieces when I overclock it at a later stage.

    Quote Originally Posted by generalplot
    I don't buy my PC's from Dell, I build custom rigs. But you need to stop ordering from newegg. As a note, I don't give a **** enough about AMD architecture to know what the bus speed would be on an AXP, just as you may not know that the bus on the P5 will start at 1.6 Ghtz and go up from there. So chew on that.
    See? The D-word always does the trick. He again needs to remind me that he doesn't buy his stuff at Dell. And again, I should stop ordering from Newegg. And blah blah.

    .

    update! Apparently, 2 users here seem to sort of agree with our Plotting General. Good for them Got a new private message, labeled "Check out your thread, looks like it backfired":

    Quote Originally Posted by generalplot
    Aren't you glad you started this? Perhaps you should check out the thread again. People don't support your theory as much as you were hoping they would. You'll note the majority of users in there disagree with your saying that an AXP can beat a P4.
    Ain't that sweet? This whole thread wasn't about AMD vs Intel in the first place (even though AMD is clearly holding the crown since 2000 or so) but to make fun of generalplot. Which succeeded
    Well, long story short: I rule!
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    Moral of the Story, Redah has too much free time on his hands.

    Nice job Redah, it pisses me off to when people think that their processor is their *****.

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    Nice post! btw, is there by any chance announcements of a Pentium 5? I don't think so, but what do you know?
    "Sometimes the truth is stranger than fiction"

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    Well, I'm sorry, but when anybody is crazy enough to compare a Celery chip to an HT P4, I have to say something. And for those that can't understand this guy getting involved in something that was none of his business, well, this all comes down to one thing: I honestly do feel bad for that user. Nothing personal against him, but anyone who is seriously into the emulation scene would not use a system with such ancient specs to run emulators on. Also, I should note that this guy Redah is 7 years younger than I am, and just has a bad attitude about the whole thing. I've noticed one thing about certain AMD users (not all of them) they tend to justify spending less money on a chip by giving intel less credit than it's due. Redah, grow up. And as a note, Intel did have a press conference on a technology channel that probably most are not aware of, in which they show some pretty impressive figures. I don't think my system is old enough to be deemed as a dinosaur, as I built it only 2 years ago. An HT P4 is pretty far from outdated. Bottom line: nothing AMD users say will convince me to convert to their religion.
    P.S. This is a pic of my rig, does this look like a Dell to you Redah?
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    An Athlon XP 3200+ is hammered by a 3+GHz P4 w/ 800MHz FSB.. the P4C/E are simply faster chips than the AXPs. The 3200+ was designed to combat the P4 3.06, which was a 533MHz bus CPU, and that it did. Once Intel moved to 800MHz, the AXP architecture was beaten.. Netburst finally able to flex its muscles. His 2.4C w/ Dual Channel DDR would easily fight a 3200+, and in a lot of cases, win.

    S939 A64s are a different story. :p
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    Quote Originally Posted by cooliscool
    An Athlon XP 3200+ is hammered by a 3+GHz P4 w/ 800MHz FSB.. the P4C/E are simply faster chips than the AXPs. The 3200+ was designed to combat the P4 3.06, which was a 533MHz bus CPU, and that it did. Once Intel moved to 800MHz, the AXP was beaten..

    S939 A64s are a different story. :p
    And this is why I don't understand people saying that HT was overhyped. The only way to get an 800 bus on a P4 is to go with HT. And I can notice a very big speed improvement with apps that are multi-thread optimized. For instance, videos converting in TMPegEnc that used to take an hour and a half to convert can do the same conversion in about 50 minutes when I have the HT feature turned on in the app. Whether most want to admit it or not, an 800 bus DOES make a difference.

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    Although i'll agree that the AMD64 is a better choice right now, i'm still happy with my P4 3.2ghz - Also, you can't compare a celeron to a p4 just because they are made by the same manufacturers, the Duron is by AMD so should I assume all AMD's are ****e?

    Bottom line, Celerons suck ass. Personally people put too much love towards companys, AMD is just a powerhouse company that wants money yet people get emotionally attached to it, as with Intel (I was the same recently until I realized how silly that was). It's like getting angry when someone says Coca Cola is better than pepsi.

    Intel and AMD will give you a brilliant PC so I don't see what the fuss is, just buy what you think is best. Plus even mentioning a 500mhz pc in the context of a GC emu is just plain retarded. - rant ends

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    HT in itself is very useful, not overhyped in the least. It definitely does nothing to single-thread aware apps, but Windows itself (multitasking is most certainly faster) and most highend multimedia apps are designed with 2 or more CPUs in mind.

    The 800MHz FSB is what makes most of the difference here. You can't compare a P4C to an AthlonXP.. it's no contest.

    edit: Ya, I love my P4 3.2C too. Running at 3.73GHz (933 FSB.. my chip's max completely stable OC ) with my DDR @ 466MHZ CAS 2-2-3-5, a force to be reckoned with.

    http://service.futuremark.com/compare?pcm05=28151

    Rig pics? Yeah!
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    My athlon xp 2400+ rig is at least two-(three sometimes) times slower than my current P4 rig.

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    Alas I got screwed by dell, (had to pay 300 euros extra) cos I had made changes to my order, I should have got quoted there and then not half way after I sent the cheque, okie rant over, may I ask though for a definative "why dell sucks" or "you should build your own computer"? sos if this is off topic.

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