the big graphics card survey of Project64 users

[Smiff]

You know how we always said "screw everything that's not a GeForce or Radeon". Well now there's time to think about these things so we (that's myself and Jabo and anyone else who's interested) would like as many people as possible to tell us which graphics card they actually have on the computer they most often use for Project64.

Each person has ONE vote. If you have more than one graphics card (more than one PC) vote for the one that you use or plan on using with PJ64, NOT whichever card happens to be in the PC you're typing on now! Thanks very much all.

[Jabo]

Great idea smiff, we hear lots of people who have problems with different cards (3Dfx, S3, etc) but finding the actual number of people with these cards is invaluable information just as a community of users so we know where we are for our own computers.

[Martin]

Just posted about it at www.emu64.com and it should draw some attention. :)

Great idea! :)

[Ogy]

Gee, Voodoo 5 got only one vote. i wonder who might that person be:lookaway:

[CpU MasteR]

Originally posted by Ogy
Gee, Voodoo 5 got only one vote. i wonder who might that person be:lookaway:

/me Wonders Who Has the Intel Chipset...

:(

[MrDetermination]

YOu only have one GeForce 2 option yet the difference between a Ge2 MX 32mb and a GTS 64mb is night and day.

[RadeonUser]

Originally posted by MrDetermination
YOu only have one GeForce 2 option yet the difference between a Ge2 MX 32mb and a GTS 64mb is night and day.

To Jabo's plugin, the difference is nothing at all. Both have the same capabilities in outputting the same graphics quality.

[Jabo]

Yah that is definitely true, every flavor of GeForce2 works the same in terms of hardware capability, the same goes for the GeForce1, TNT1, and all flavors of TNT2's

I should also add i'm glad to see the ATI Radeon and nVidia TNT/GeForce video cards dominating the poll so far, but who knows that might change

[MrDetermination]

You mean compatibility???

Capability wise a 64mb GTS is like a Ford NASCAR and a 32mb MX is a Ford Escort.

I'm just trying to understand you crazy emulation people's vocabulary :)

I'd really like to know if you meant to use the word capable.

EDIT:

BTW, I'd like to say Thank You for your work Jabo. And all you guys that contribute. It's a steep learning curve just to use this stuff, I can't imagine the effort it took to make it.

[RadeonUser]

Originally posted by MrDetermination
You mean compatibility???

Capability wise a 64mb GTS is like a Ford NASCAR and a 32mb MX is a Ford Escort.

I'm just trying to understand you crazy emulation people's vocabulary :)

I'd really like to know if you meant to use the word capable.

EDIT:

BTW, I'd like to say Thank You for your work Jabo. And all you guys that contribute. It's a steep learning curve just to use this stuff, I can't imagine the effort it took to make it.

Erm... We're using Jabo's Direct 3D graphics term here... In that world, there is really no difference. In computer games, there is a HUGE difference. Just need to make that clear ;)

And I think we would all agree, even though the emu is discontinued, Jabo and Zilmar did us all a great favor by releasing this emulator :) (I know, it's been said a 1,000,001 times or so...

Now, come on people, click on what you use PJ64 on the most :)

[Jabo]

I didn't really mean it in terms of performance related information. I'm more interested in what a video card can output in a single-pass of rendering (which in my view is the most important thing), Project64 doesn't need a powerful video card, just one with a capable (highly-programmable) chipset like an ATI Radeon or GeForce, which both come in flavors that are less powerful and expensive

Most 3Dfx cards are also highly programmable, but the drivers for Direct3D aren't that great, just a point and case of a fast car with a poor driver (no pun there :D )

[Reznor007]

Just a note though.

The Geforce 4 MX cards are NOTHING like the normal Geforce 4 boards. They lack the pixel shader capabilities, and the only vertex shader stuff is through a software driver emulation. It's more like a Geforce2. It should be listed separately.

[Smiff]

AFAIK the relevant parts of GF4MX's feature set still puts it in the GF3/4 category.

[Smiff]

currently about 3/4 GeForce&Radeon... need a lot more results though.

[Slougi]

Originally posted by Smiff
AFAIK the relevant parts of GF4MX's feature set still puts it in the GF3/4 category.
GF4MX is bascially a geforce 2 gts with higher core and mem speed.

[Smiff]

arg bollox now ive got to look this up

[Smiff]

arg i dunno

jabo read this http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1583&p=6 and edit the poll if you want (i'd rather not). Also I left out SiS - ?

[Smiff]

why is there a line for zero?

[Martin]

hehe, yeah that's pretty disturbed.

[homrx]

Oh well, when I first bought ATI XPert 2000, I thought it would be good, but I guess it sucks emulation-wise.

[Smiff]

well i havent included cards without a proper basic (like Voodoo1 class) 3d feature set, like Xpert, Millenium, Cirrus, erm what else... i mean you can just tick "other" cos there's no way those cards are ever going to perform.

[Angechu]

Well, I put GeForce 3/4, since I'm getting a GF4 Ti4600 in 2 weeks with my new computer, and i'll finally be able to use PJ64 decently :)

Is there anyone here whos tested the GF4 Ti and seen how its quality is? Is it the same as the GF3?

-Angechu

[SSonicHedgehog]

Originally posted by CpU MasteR


/me Wonders Who Has the Intel Chipset...

:(


I have an Intel 810 Chipset
jabo's v1.4 has a lot of gfx problems on my computer
2d gfx mostly

[CoCoLUS]

just voted for other, i'm playing on a notebook with a sis 630 chip for graphics. actually performs very good :)

CoCoLUS

[Tesla-Guy]

The GF4MX is an upgrade of gf2mx and has nothing to do with gf4ti series except a few technologies like Lightspeed Architecture II

[Tesla-Guy]

Originally posted by Smiff
well i havent included cards without a proper basic (like Voodoo1 class) 3d feature set, like Xpert, Millenium, Cirrus, erm what else... i mean you can just tick "other" cos there's no way those cards are ever going to perform.

XPERT series is based on the RAGE chipset i *think*

[Jabo]

Originally posted by Reznor007
Just a note though.

The Geforce 4 MX cards are NOTHING like the normal Geforce 4 boards. They lack the pixel shader capabilities, and the only vertex shader stuff is through a software driver emulation. It's more like a Geforce2. It should be listed separately.

That is definitely true, and a point well made. John Carmack (among the many) put down nVidia a while ago for doing this, and I agree with him. This was a bad move and sets a lot of confusion with the video cards for the GeForce4, even more confusion from my perspective than all the MX stuff that was introduced in the GeForce2.

However, for the sake of this poll (and most software, which is why nvidia probably doesn't care) I really don't think it's worth worrying about, currently any GeForce is fine with us. Technically for our purposes we could of even put the GeForce 1/2/3/4 all in one category, but I think Smiff opted to have a little separation just to make things interesting for us.

[Kakarot]

8MB Vanta LT. I don't how in the blue hell but I run all my n64 roms in 1024x768x16 or 800x600x32 at full speed with no errors that are a result of my card. In 32 bit color mode anything higher than 800x600 crashes the emu. Can anyone explain why this cheap ass card performs so well in N64 emus (Jabo's plugin in particular)? *Note* It sucks at PC games (newer ones) *Note*

[Jabo]

a Vanta is a really cheap version of a Riva TNT, that is probably why, 8 megs is really little tho

[CpU MasteR]

Originally posted by SSonicHedgehog
I have an Intel 810 Chipset
jabo's v1.4 has a lot of gfx problems on my computer
2d gfx mostly

More of a transparency Problem on 2D, 3D No Prob. I Just Dont Like 2D Effects that can make you see thru 3D Polygons :(
Also, Updated my Drivers & DXDiag Says I have 32MB, Before I had 4.5MB. Hmmmmmmmmm... See Pic...

[Smiff]

cumon people, vote

[UltimatePlayer]

Only 3 with Matrox 450 gfx card... ?
Oh, my!... it works almost fine.. just those... strange texture issues... like Link and his Horse in white... O_O

:(

[Dave2001]

I voted, Glide rocks! :p

[CpU MasteR]

If We Find a Winner, What Will Happen? Will jabo Come back with a New 3D Plug? Sorry, my dreams get to me... ???

[Jabo]

Originally posted by CpU MasteR
If We Find a Winner, What Will Happen? Will jabo Come back with a New 3D Plug? Sorry, my dreams get to me... ???

I think the general purpose was to see how many people would fall under the compatible category for PJ, from the information here, over 75% have nVidia/ATi class video cars which meet or exceed the minimum requirements ... actually if you count voodoo4/5 it's almost 80%, which I guess you could count since those cards do really well considering what happened to 3Dfx ... from what I've seen at least

It's nice to see this from a developer's point of view, however, I would of liked to see a few hundred answering the poll, so, the results are on the border of inconclusive, but one has to look at the near 50% of all users having a GeForce1/2 (my card of choice) and wonder ...

[CpU MasteR]

Originally posted by Jabo


I think the general purpose was to see how many people would fall under the compatible category for PJ, from the information here, over 75% have nVidia/ATi class video cars which meet or exceed the minimum requirements ... actually if you count voodoo4/5 it's almost 80%, which I guess you could count since those cards do really well considering what happened to 3Dfx ... from what I've seen at least

It's nice to see this from a developer's point of view, however, I would of liked to see a few hundred answering the poll, so, the results are on the border of inconclusive, but one has to look at the near 50% of all users having a GeForce1/2 (my card of choice) and wonder ...

What does this Mean For our Crappy Video Cards? Or how About this, What do you think about OnBoard or Intel Video Cards?

[Jabo]

Well, I guess the easiest way to look at it, is Intel cards are part of the 20% minority <?> of users polled so far that do not support what PJ generally needs. I've never programmed on an Intel card, I can't say how flexible they are. But, from what I've seen on this forum, and read on other sites, it's not a great card for PJ.

The future for Integrated Graphics Processors is very bright, with nVidia and ATi aggressively producing these IGP's, you can expect the same innovation in recent years (GeForce/Radeon) to be brought at inexpensive prices to integrated motherboards near you with reasonable performance, instead of all this SiS/S3/Intel crap that people seem to be 'suffering' from when they purchase computers.

[CpU MasteR]

Originally posted by Jabo
Well, I guess the easiest way to look at it, is Intel cards are part of the 20% minority? of users polled so far that are not 100% compatible with what PJ generally needs

Myself never having programmed on an Intel card, I can't say how flexible they are, I'd really need to know someone with one, or have one myself to say. From what I've seen on this forum, and read on other sites, it's not a great card.

I would say the best cards for Direct3D in the "Not compatible" list right now would have to be the Matrox G400, with the Voodoo3 probably being a close second... but I look at it through this perspective, so far 10 people have a Voodoo3, 4 have a G400, and 4 people have Intel based solutions... not exactly the numbers that make a big impact ...

Well, I have seen sites with Intel Video SDKs, Your Last 3D Plug Wroks Fine, only with the latist XP Drivers, It Runs Slow When You turn on Change Blending If Invalid of video card, without that, you cant see anything in the menu for most games & also Slows the Game Down. Also Anisotrophic Blending tennds to slow down the Video Card as well. And For Some Reason you need Force Normal Blending to have full transparancy ???
Intel is not the best video card, but it would be nice to get your plug working on it if you plan to release another one, I might want to do support for this Video Card Myself. What do you think?

[Jabo]

It would be nice to have it work on all cards. but for some cards more than others it is increasingly difficult, time was better spent on getting emulation better, and worrying about compatibility only for the majority of users, especially when the minimum requirement was falling in price so fast.

Validate Blending option illustrates my attempt at making graphics better, which it does, but as you see all of these things slow down emulation (although with enough work, that can be put in check) So to be fair, and get a more broad aspect on this (actual numbers), this poll exists. So far the poll is nice, most people are compatible, and as time goes on, hopefully everyone will be.

[Martin]

Originally posted by Jabo


It's nice to see this from a developer's point of view, however, I would of liked to see a few hundred answering the poll, so, the results are on the border of inconclusive, but one has to look at the near 50% of all users having a GeForce1/2 (my card of choice) and wonder ...

Smiff, update you n00s, will ya? From a as-many-votes-as-possible perspective it would probably be ideal to update the official PJ64 website with a news post and a direct link to this thread as well, but unfortunetely it would most likely cause people to get up their hopes, and as Blizz once said, all the wankers would come out of the wood work (referring to lamers getting attracted). Also, zilmar & jabo probably don't want to spoil their pretty, final post with the final release in. :P

Considering that guests aren't able to vote, and that probably 75% of our members are inactive, the number of votes so far is not that bad. :). Just having this thread sticky won't get us many votes per day (evidently).

Just my two cents. :satisfied

[Tk64]

WHAAT?! Only 24 votes for the GF3/4?!?

:D MY card of choice is of course this heavily overclocked GF3-TI200.

Not a glitch in sight that isn't an emu problem.

BTW before this card I had a TNT2 M64 (PCI) and before that... a 3DFX Banshee (1x AGP). Heh, thats one huge upgrade...

[Davemc]

i have GeForce 2

[rtb]

Originally posted by Martin


Smiff, update you n00s, will ya? From a as-many-votes-as-possible perspective it would probably be ideal to update the official PJ64 website with a news post and a direct link to this thread as well, but unfortunetely it would most likely cause people to get up their hopes, and as Blizz once said, all the wankers would come out of the wood work (referring to lamers getting attracted). Also, zilmar & jabo probably don't want to spoil their pretty, final post with the final release in. :P

Considering that guests aren't able to vote, and that probably 75% of our members are inactive, the number of votes so far is not that bad. :). Just having this thread sticky won't get us many votes per day (evidently).

Just my two cents. :satisfied

I think 75% of our members are inactive cuz they asked there questions, got answers or not, and they go on with their lives. you should delete them, after 3 months or so...

[Martin]

And why would I want to delete them? There's no reason for that, people would just get upset. I think we still got a pretty good clue about which members are active and which aren't. :happy:

[jvolel]

geforce 2 gts runs great witn pj64, but i notice something with the mx, on my cousins computer it may have something to do with his drivers or it may be the card... in any case when he ran mario party 3 part of the screen was cut off when i tried it on my card i didn't have that problem... now is it the card or his settings?

[Slougi]

You were propably trying to play an (E) rom and didn't have the latest rdb with the resolution fixes.

[Gugaman]

for those about 20 ppl that chose voodoo cards, there is a glide plugin, very good, (by dave, gonetz and me) that is going to have a new release very soon, it will play games like zelda and others :)
http://www.emuxhaven.net/~glide64/

[whatboy]

Ati Radeon 7200...

[whatboy]

But I'm currently using the nVidia Vanta 16Mb... the Ati Radeon is broke... I'm waiting for the replacement... :(

[pavelbure]

i am currently using a nvidia tnt2 32mb card now. i have a question, when playing mario kart64 my fps is anywhere from 40-50, with the price of video cards dropping would i get better performance from a geforce 3 ?

my pc specs are:
p3 600 mhz
256 ram

i run this under a clean windows98 for best performance.

[Slougi]

You wouldn't get better performance, the bottleneck is your cpu. The gfx card does not affect speed in PJ64

[Tk64]

:D Unless you talk about antialiasing... that's the exact same situatiun I was in. AA is incredible on the GF3.

[Jabo]

Originally posted by pavelbure
i am currently using a nvidia tnt2 32mb card now. i have a question, when playing mario kart64 my fps is anywhere from 40-50, with the price of video cards dropping would i get better performance from a geforce 3 ?

my pc specs are:
p3 600 mhz
256 ram

i run this under a clean windows98 for best performance.

if you are using the budget M64 version and run a color depth of 32-bit, than purchasing a higher end card (GeForce2/3/4 series) will help, having used this card prior to my GeForce2MX400 I would definitely recommend running 16-bit color ...

this poll is going well so far, but i feel it is nearing it's end, maybe we'll close it off soon

[Doomulation]

Originally posted by Jabo


if you are using the budget M64 version and run a color depth of 32-bit, than purchasing a higher end card (GeForce2/3/4 series) will help, having used this card prior to my GeForce2MX400 I would definitely recommend running 16-bit color ...

this poll is going well so far, but i feel it is nearing it's end, maybe we'll close it off soon
Why actually close it off at all? ???
It's still of use, isn't it?

[Jabo]

Originally posted by Doomulation

Why actually close it off at all? ???
It's still of use, isn't it?

Yah, I guess we could just let this poll hang around for a while longer, at least until we need this sticky space again

[pavelbure]

its a
nvidia riva tnt2 model64/model64 pro

would a better card do better ?

[Tk64]

I used to have a TNT2 M64... only difference in emulators I noticed was that the GF3 can do FSAA :P . No difference in performance for emus, but lotsa other games run A LOT faster. MW4 for example.

...Of course I only just recently started running 32-bit color, it may make a difference on the M64.

[dave_luther]

geforce 2

[pavelbure]

yeah ill probably get a new motherboard and processor then. probably within a year. its still playable now anyways.

[Smiff]

some observations

- there's about 6x as many GeForce owners as Radeon owners
- almost as many have a Voodoo3/Banshee as have a Radeon
- the Kyro has almost no penetration at all
- the G400 is less popular than I was hoping (and didn't expect much)
- there are some poor sods out there using a Savage w/ PJ

[Jfletcher]

GeForce 3 regular (no Ti)

[Ganonboy]

I use the SiS 730 on-board chip that came with my Athlon XP Motherboard

[Light7]

I use a..........NVIDIA TNT2 M64 (32MB)

Thats the card my pc came with when I got it.

[pavelbure]

what processor speed ?

[Light7]

pavelbure, if your question is directed to me then......

I have a Sony VAIO PCV-RX550

1.5 GHz. Intel Pentium 4 with 256 MB PC-133 SDRAM.
Windows XP home edition.

[archlyn]

I use a GeForce 2 TI w/ 64 mb. Sweet as hell in all respects.

[Quackat0r]

Voodoo2 12MB PCI

[stevo89]

I have a SiS Apollo 3D Thrill 315 128MB. I checked "other".

[sirss]

tnt2 on my pent3 i.3 ghz 256 ram works fine on internal and vorce depth canpaire perefect for me sold my xppent4 1.6 ghz machine truely pent 3 seems faster with win98 shure pent 4 faster but i cant tell the differance , tryed a cleron once even with 900 something mhzs was slow fer most games mighta been the cheap vidio card but i like the win98 better all my old games work now :) good work all please fix guantlet legends n64 cause the gauntlet for vgs sucks limes teken3 nice thow lol xp and 200 vgs no worky but like n64 emulters best pr64 best unless nenu get gauntlet working perfect lol anyway great work wish they hant stoped pr64 all but smiff tweaking and fixes good work smiff keep it up u the man :)

[ScottJC]

hmm.. someone said that graphics card doesn't affect the speed, well in my case, that isn't true, i used to have a voodoo 3 2000, the speed was utterly %!%&^, i mean, it droped like 25 frames a second on games...

Now that i have a geforce 2... the games stay at 60 frames a second easily, weird eh?

-----
my specs:
1.2 Ghz Amd Duron
256mb ram
Geforce 2 MX
SB live 5.1

[Slougi]

Of course the graphics card affects the speed to some extent, a voodoo 3 2000 just can't keep up. However all in all the CPU affects the speed much more. And looking at your specs with a 1.2Ghz Duron you should be fine ;)

[Ketil]

Originally posted by Reznor007
Just a note though.

The Geforce 4 MX cards are NOTHING like the normal Geforce 4 boards. They lack the pixel shader capabilities, and the only vertex shader stuff is through a software driver emulation. It's more like a Geforce2. It should be listed separately.

Well, the Backstreet Boys are pretty much like Nsync, but theyre still the Backstreet Boys:D

[Merick]

I just put in a 64mb Radeon 7500, big improvement over my old 8mb rage 3d :)

Now, if I can only decide on a new monitor. Hmm... flat screen crt, or flat panel....

[ry20]

i put a geforce 3 ti200 in place of a tnt2 ultra. There is a noticeable difference in speed and the overall look of pj64, but not a huge difference.

[Trotterwatch]

Since I last voted on this poll I have replaced my GF2 MX with a GF3 Ti200.

Frame rates were unaffected (ie still 60fps constant) although I can now enable Antialiasing without any performance hits whatsoever.

[n64kirby]

If I'm getting a new one, I would get a Radeon 2 (8500), or Geforce 3 tixxxx, which one should I go for as far as working with PJ64?

[sxxxe83]

Originally posted by n64kirby
If I'm getting a new one, I would get a Radeon 2 (8500), or Geforce 3 tixxxx, which one should I go for as far as working with PJ64?


Go for a Radeon 8500, It Is much faster, you know.
sXe

[pavelbure]

actually the card does make a differnce. i just tried a gforce3 ti200 card out and the fps jumped about 25 from my old 32mbtnt2 card. the gforce card isnt mine, so now i have to buy one, what is a good video card, i dont want a radeon card, pny makes one and so does xtasy. any suggestions ?

[Merick]

Why don't you want a radeon? From what I have heard it is the best graphics chipset out there.

[Trotterwatch]

Why don't you want a radeon? From what I have heard it is the best graphics chipset out there.

One reason I would never buy an ATI card - Drivers.

They have show time and time again they can't write drivers. Whilst Nvidias drivers may not be perfect, they are without doubt more reliable than their ATI equivalents.

[sxxxe83]

Originally posted by Trotterwatch


One reason I would never buy an ATI card - Drivers.

They have show time and time again they can't write drivers. Whilst Nvidias drivers may not be perfect, they are without doubt more reliable than their ATI equivalents.

Thats a good point, actually thats why I`m now using geforce, BUT.. Their 2D quality is not good, R 8500 has GREAT 2D quality and they are good on 3D, the card beats geforce3, and so on.. But geforce has the best driver team, nvidia, theres NO doubt about that...

sXe

[vipor231]

im another one with a voodoo 4 card,i have 32mb on it,pj64 works great with it,the frame rates are 50-60fps on my 1.4 ghz athlon on windows 2000

[Tesla-Guy]

DOH my GeForce 3 doesn't seem to follow jabo's vplugin standard :| in some games, like cbfd, the floor is sometimes invidible and you can see what's underneath. ghey isn't it :sleepy:

[F-3582]

I had the same problem. Simply choose "Direct3D HAL" instead of "Direct3D T&L HAL".

[Jubei]

Mine is a TNT2 and zelda:toot (that suposely uses 90% of the n64 resources) looks perfect. Besides, there will be excellent compatibility with GeForce 2, 3 and 4

[crhylove]

is so low on www.pricewatch.com in all of it's derivatives that there is almost no point in anything else, imho. a geforce 3 ti 200 for about $100 is ALOT of pixel power for the $.

somebody set me straight if this is wrong.

I just wish there was a gfx plugin with more accurate 2d emulation so we could play dr. mario 64 and puzzle league... those are really good games.

i also wish there had been a sequel to mario 64, which imho is the greatest game ever and plays perfectly on about 6 diff emus i've tried. :yay!:

rhy

[FireBone]

i have a Riva TNT, i like my card :)
but i can not play the games well....

[Jubei]

i have a Riva TNT, i like my card but i can not play the games well....

I think your problem is a processor issue, not a video card issue. The r4300 core is very resource intensive.

[CyDEtrakD]

ayo,
since this thread came up its obvious that most kats use geforce cards which is designed to run opengl faster than direct3d.. why not make a opengl plugin that is worth something. is it more complicated coding opengl than direct3d? personally when i run something in opengl there is a dramatic speed increase over direct3d in such games/emu as zinc, a ton of fps, psx emus, and hence i'm wondering why there isnt proper opengl support to my knowledge.

one,
cydetrakd

[KahnAbyss]

Maybe but think bout compatibilty for other people
they'll have to use glide wrapper wich means a lot of issues

if it was the inverse and the poll shows that most people uses another card than yours what you'll say?

[CyDEtrakD]

ayo,
i'm not sayin stop all support for the direct3d which seems to be used by kats without a geforce card but why not have a plugin that utilizes opengl which gives the majority of us better framerate and great graphics since thats what geforce cards are made for. take the poll on the general n64 emulation topic on this board if u agree with me.

one,
cydetrakd

[Doomulation]

Originally posted by CyDEtrakD
ayo,
i'm not sayin stop all support for the direct3d which seems to be used by kats without a geforce card but why not have a plugin that utilizes opengl which gives the majority of us better framerate and great graphics since thats what geforce cards are made for. take the poll on the general n64 emulation topic on this board if u agree with me.

one,
cydetrakd
There is already one. Icepir8's plugin. In tr64, it comes with the newest 1964. I dunno, but I think it was 0.8.3 it came with.

[Tito13KFM]

I voted Geforce 1/2 even though I have 2 boxes, and the older machine is a PII400 with a Riva128 Long live the king of all 2d/3d chipsets Riva128!!!!!

oh yeah.. it's the 4 meg version 2 baby..
/me dances.

(And to think, this piece of crap cost $200 when new)

[Eagle]

yeah, this should have been a checkbox poll not an option button poll.

[CyDEtrakD]

ayo,
i've owned a few ati cards ranging from the ati rage pro II with 2 megs of ram which was integrated with my ibm aptiva e84 to the ati all in wonder pro 8 meg.. to the 64 meg (i think) version of the all in wonder.. and the kats speakin the knowledge about ati being straight garbage with driver are on point.. not only that but the ati support team sucks.. i use to emai them all the time askin for help and they would take forever on answering my questions which in the end didnt fix anything. made me go out and cop another ati card.. well after the last all in wonder pro i'm NEVER EVER EVER going to get another ati card unless i decide to invest in a gamecube.. i'm using the almighty geforce 2 with 64 megs and have no problems and when i did nvidia already came out with a new revision of drivers by the time i had the problem and fixed it without any trouble. im about to invest in a gefore4 ti 4600 with 128 ddr ram.. for 200 bucks.. my local walmart has it for that price dont know how but its sounds too good to be true but a friend picked up one for that price gotta cop it while i can before someones see that they are selling it too low.

one,
cydetrakd

[N-Rage]

I dont know of ATI-Cards before the Radeon-Line, but I have now a R8500 workin in my Sys, and before that i had a RadeonDDR. To sum ALL my driver Problems up: On some older Driver-Versions EMBM dint work. No crashes or other weird stuff.

I had a TNT2 once and it gave me lotz more trouble than the ATI-Cards. I had to install different Drivers when i wanted to play DK2 and another Driver to play UT.

Dunno, maybe im just different ;P

[stupid_noob]

i got a geforce ti4200 128ram but its not on this list

[iq_132]

Geforce 4 MX 420... sad

[cooliscool]

the gf4 mx 420 is a good card, and to those who say its nothing but a gf2 i beg to differ. does the geforce2 have quincunx fsaa? does it have LMA II? does it have as high clock speeds? no. all that resulting in higher speed.

[Doomulation]

This is true...
the mx-cards is yet very good with the geforce4, much better than 2 at least, so it's pretty good.

Although, you can get geforce3 ti at a decent price now, too.

[Smiff]

Originally posted by stupid_noob
i got a geforce ti4200 128ram but its not on this list


that's a GeForce4

[Doomulation]

Hehe, but i can't really place a good voice since i keep changing card all the time.

First a geforce2 mx400 64 mb (yuck!).
Then a geforce4 mx440 64 mb (yuck!!).
And now a geforce4 ti4200 128 mb (lovely!).

[NOvaFX]

Just To Let You Know The New Matrox Card Works Great, I Actualy Got It(PJ64) To Work On 2 Monitors.

[cooliscool]

see my sig.

[cooliscool]

Originally posted by Doomulation
This is true...
the mx-cards is yet very good with the geforce4, much better than 2 at least, so it's pretty good.

Although, you can get geforce3 ti at a decent price now, too.

Yes, but not in pci form, something users like me with integrated cards would surely buy if they had a gf3 in pci form. :)

[2bzy4ne1]

Originally posted by cooliscool

Originally posted by Doomulation
This is true...
the mx-cards is yet very good with the geforce4, much better than 2 at least, so it's pretty good.

Although, you can get geforce3 ti at a decent price now, too.

Yes, but not in pci form, something users like me with integrated cards would surely buy if they had a gf3 in pci form. :) i wish that the high end video cards had a pci counterpart. but it's only a dream. :plain:

[cooliscool]

lol, toobusyforanyone, i love your avatar. :D:D:D