Speeding it up/ Whats fastest?

[RiderX]

First and foremost, I've been trying to play SSBM for about 3 days now, thank god I finally read the readme, and thank god I found you guys, thank god for the search button and thank god for Vile324 and his link to a Control Pad plug-in that works perfectly!

Now, I am only getting about 2.5 FPS most of the time, as you can guess this makes it almost impossible to play, in fact Ive grown weary and on my latest venture into the game I only got to the main menu before it froze, I waited for a few seocnds then got frustrated and just closed it.

Before asking how to speed it up I'll give out some basic information about the emulator/my computer

I have
2.0 GHz
512 MB DDR SDRAM memory
NVIDIA GeForce4 Video Card
64MB MX420 graphics card
and Windows XP Home

Dolphin Info
Graphics: Dolphin Video Plugin (DX9)
DSP-Audio: Dolphin DSP-HLE Plugin (DSound)
DVD: Dolphin GCM Plugin
PAD Input: Dolphin PAD Plugin


also i use HAL and PS 2.0 Shader version and HLE audio, DTK music, and 44100 hz sample rate




and also, if it matters at all, my computer has been acting a bit slow lately, so if i clear that slowness up will it affect my game?

ANYWAYS

onto my obvious questions




How can I change my settings and/or speed up the game to optimum speed? I know the GC was made different from computers and uses more powerful technology, already.




Is there a better emulator, and by better I mean im willing to sacrifice EVERYTHING, to play faster, meaning, no sound, and i play with little stick figures that shoot black and white balls as weapons in order to play at a faster FPS.



Thanks much,
RiderX

[WhiteX]

you won´t get a decent fps now because the emulator is not optimized for speed, if you really want to play this game, get a GC or wait for revo.
No machine is capable of gaming speed on dolphin with 3d games not yours or mine, so a hardware upgrade is out of the question either.

[RiderX]

is dolwin or the other one a better emulator choice then?

[Clements]

Any kind of graphics tweaks won't increase the speed, because the bottleneck is not in the graphics. The emulation of the GC's CPU causes most of that slowdown, and this cannot be skipped otherwise the game wouldn't work at all. You will have not much luck increasing the speed with any current emulators or by buying new hardware.

[WhiteX]

in plain english:
you are screwed, get a gc!
they are cheap on ebay now!

[NotMyRealAccoun]

Did you tried turning on the option "Use Dynarec"?

[WhiteX]

it won´t do!

[GCFreak]

NVIDIA GeForce4 Video Card
64MB MX420 graphics card


That says it all :P

[DOGG]

Your video card doesn't support pixel shaders. Thus, a vast majority of games will show graphical issues

[BlueFalcon7]

you can crank up the resolution and put the AA on 8x multisampling and you wont see any speed loss unless of course you have a real bad GPU still with PS 2.0 and a very fast single core CPU with at least 6~10 GHz

[Alex The Great]

First, change your crappy video card, it doesn't support shaders. Second, wait for Fires to use the recompiler thing and make a faster version of Dolphin. Third, don't waste any money. It's useless

[cjradek]

I've tried playing htis game as well, but have a different problem. My framerate is actually pretty good. For the menu's I can get up to 70 fps, and for character selection i get from 20 - 32 fps. I have dynarec enabled, and I'm using HAL, PS 2.0, and have res set to 320 x 240. (System Specs below)
After I choose a character, it freezes, but I expected that. Anyone else get similiar fps results?




System Specs:
AMD 64 3200+ 2.21 GHZ (754, not 939)
256 MB Radeon 9800 PRO
1 GB Crucial RAM (ddr 400)
onboard audio card
Harddrive (Primary) - ATA 100, 300 GB, 7200 rpm, 16 MB cache

[Doomulation]

Some 2D games run good, but no commerical 3d games runs with such speed. Or at the very least, not very many.

[cjradek]

Yeah, I finally was able to play a round of 1P super smash bros melee using the language trick, and the fps dropped down to between 8-12 fps. It was better than I thought it would be for a 3D game though. Keep up the good work Dolphin team!

[galford_bust]

Second, wait for Fires to use the recompiler thing and make a faster version of Dolphin.

I thought dolphin already had dynamic recompilation. What is that "recompiler thing" you're talking about, a new one?

[ChaosCode]

yeah but its not up to par atm, so says f1res. Im sure he is looking into it when he has time.

[galford_bust]

yeah but its not up to par atm, so says f1res. Im sure he is looking into it when he has time.

I'm really not interested in speed, but a new recompiler sounds interesting because it means that they were able to reverse more things, and eventually it will means more hardware information :robot:
That's pretty cool :matrix:

[BlueFalcon7]

recompiling is like converting the executable (the .dol for the gamecube) to something closer to computer language and then boot it, but interpreting is trying to boot the "foreign" executable as is, recompiling is faster because eventhough it will take longer to boot, the game will run faster

[galford_bust]

Man, I know what a recompiler is. I was actually concerned by the fact the devs are coding a new one; and then showing my gratitude towards that because, as far as I know, recompilation is a messy thing to do when you are guessing than it is when you know more about the hardware.
BTW, what you have mentioned is closer to static binary translation than dynamic recompilation but I see your point.

[BlueFalcon7]

well, i read somewhere that the dolphin uses more of an interpreter, and f|res told me that the dolphin used HLE in its earlier releases, for quicker release, and for more speed, but ever scince, the dolphin has been adding more of the interpreter, rather than recompiling and HLE. The reason the dolphin gets slower, is because more of the DOL code gets figured out, but the dolphin gets more compatible with every release. HLE is not known for how compatible it makes the emulator.

[galford_bust]

well, i read somewhere that the dolphin uses more of an interpreter
Wow, if that's the case it already has more speed than most people believe it has.

The reason the dolphin gets slower, is because more of the DOL code gets figured out
Well I though that it was done sightly different from that, but hey, what do I know?

Now, I know I'm going to ask something rather offtopic but considering the whole thread is mostly offtopic I'll shoot a question: I've read in these forums once that the bios had no or little relation with the executed code, and that every game has its own operative system in which every game relies exclusively. How far or close is that from the real thing?

[S Vegeto]

Hey guys I'm quite happy with the average speed(4.5-5)fps but are they enough to play any games(eg.fighting games like budokai 2).

[Agozer]

Hey guys I'm quite happy with the average speed(4.5-5)fps but are they enough to play any games(eg.fighting games like budokai 2).
Are you serious?

[S Vegeto]

Are you serious?
Not anymore. Not really coz of the speed though. graphics come HORRIBLE.....my graphic card aint that bad aint it? Its a chipset but it DOES support direct x 9.0b.+

[arnalion]

Which graphics chip is it?

[S Vegeto]

Which graphics chip is it?
Its the free one which comes with Intel Desktop Board D915GAV with Intel 915G express chipset. Speed during gameplay though, turns to 2-2.5 fps though I have a 3GHz PC with 512mb ram and Direct X 9.0c

[Doomulation]

All intel chipsets are terrible. In fact, all built-in gfx card of any kinds are bad. But the newest nvidia and raedon chipsets are alright from what I know.

[Agozer]

Intel STILL makes some of the worst integrated graphics chips on the market.

[Clements]

Intel graphics are all hampered by poor quality drivers compared with ATi/NVIDIA, so no matter how many features the Intel chipset can support, it will not stack up to a dedicated card.

[S Vegeto]

Hey guys whenever somebody says "When will the new Dolphin update be realeased" why do you guys say after a year or after gamecube is dead. Just out of curiosity, I wanna know how a console being dead helps in the development of emulators coz they say the same thing for a whole lot of other emulators too. Anyways, Dolphin is still one of the(if not the) best gamecube emulators out there. I'll try getting GeForce after 2 months or so, so I reckon I'll have to wait.

[Doomulation]

Because if there is a working emulator, people will download games on play on the emulator hence it will hurt sales of the console and the games.

[S Vegeto]

Ooooh....too bad though. I would have bought a gamecube myself only where I live they cost something like Rs.7,000 or so.

[Doomulation]

Yes well, the world isn't perfect. Either you move or try another way like importing stuff.

[WhiteX]

Ooooh....too bad though. I would have bought a gamecube myself only where I live they cost something like Rs.7,000 or so.

R$, you mean, in "Reais", you´re Brazilian, right?

If so a Gamecube is R$ 650,00 here, don´t lie.

[S Vegeto]

I'M NOT LYING I LIVE IN INDIA WITH A 12 HOUR TIME DIFFERENCE YOU HAVE NO IDEA OF THE PRICE OF CONSOLES HERE!!!! I WOULD HAVE EVEN BOUGHT A PS2 IF I HAD THE MONEY. INDIAN CURRENCY IS CALLED RUPEES(REMEMBER ZELDA?)
1 AMERICAN DOLLAR = 43.5 RUPEES
THERE DOES THAT CLEAR UP SOME STUFF?
but as emwearz said dolphins free im getting stuff for free so i shudnt complain but then again i wish i was in america then i could have bought a gamecube.

[Doomulation]

So then, a gamecube costs around double the price at around 160$. That isn't too expensive, you just may need to save some money.

[WhiteX]

what part of "if so" have you not understood, geez.

[S Vegeto]

Ok ok sorry hehe i scrapped a GBA with 2 years of savings so it'll be a LONG time....

[WhiteX]

save for the revolution, more games and it is not out yet, more time to save.

[GCFreak]

Hey guys whenever somebody says "When will the new Dolphin update be realeased" why do you guys say after a year or after gamecube is dead. Just out of curiosity, I wanna know how a console being dead helps in the development of emulators coz they say the same thing for a whole lot of other emulators too. Anyways, Dolphin is still one of the(if not the) best gamecube emulators out there. I'll try getting GeForce after 2 months or so, so I reckon I'll have to wait.

So what? The Nintendo 64 is long dead and Project64 is still being worked on, at least as far as I know.