The Direct 3D problem [Archive]

Zeotronic

July 4th, 2005, 02:13

I've got the direct 3D problem... I've tried everything mentioned to fix it. I'd rather not go out and buy a new graphix card, or whatever... Escpecially because I already know its hard finding upgrades for laptops (at least around here). I'm fairly certan I have Direct X 9... though I don't know how to check this. I have ATI RAGE mobility (DELL) graphix card and if its any relation I get this problem trying to play Animal Crossing.

Miretank

July 4th, 2005, 02:30

To check Direct X, go to Execute and type "dxdiag".

ShizZy

July 4th, 2005, 03:06

ATI Rage isn't a Dx9 Video Card, nor is it a Dx8 card (I believe, enless they made newer versions of the Rage which I don't think they did). Chances are, it doesn't have true 3D acceleration. (So even if you do have Dx9 installed, it won't make a difference) And, if you're on a laptop, there's really no way to upgrade the video card. So really, to run games, you're going to need a new computer. I really don't think there is anything you can do.

Zeotronic

July 4th, 2005, 03:30

ATI Rage isn't a Dx9 Video Card, nor is it a Dx8 card (I believe, enless they made newer versions of the Rage which I don't think they did). Thats crap... I run N64 games all the time, namely Mario 64.
To check Direct X, go to Execute and type "dxdiag". Well, I've tried that and I still couldn't figure it out. Well, I'll just (re?)download and install direct x 9 and see if I still have this problem.

cooliscool

July 4th, 2005, 03:40

Um, you run Mario 64 so you think you can run a Gamecube emulator? Even with high-end hardware, Dolphin is no where near playable, so you're really not going to gain much. :huh:

Not a chance it'll run on your craptop tho. There's no way that Rage will even be able to start Dolphin.. it doesn't even have a TnL engine.. not to mention it's a DX6 part, with a crappy implementation at that.

That thing's trash, don't waste your time.

Zeotronic

July 4th, 2005, 03:44

Well... Thats not what I was trying to suggest... I was trying to point out how it CAN do 3D stuff... no matter how basic... As for my time, I'm much better off wasting it then my (non-existant)money.

Zeotronic

July 4th, 2005, 03:50

Besides, its not like I'de be better off putting everything onto my dad's PC downstares. AND HELL! This is Animal Crossing we're talking about! The thing practically IS N64.

Clements

July 4th, 2005, 03:55

I get 9-13fps with Animal Crossing with my overclocked 3200+ with 6800 Ultra. I doubt that laptop has the necessary requirements to even execute the game.

Even the N64 version on a N64 emulator will run badly due to the ATi Rage Pro, let alone the Gamecube version.

Zeotronic

July 4th, 2005, 03:59

Well, just for argument: I'll bring my dad's PC specs in here and we'll see if I'de be better off wasting my time on that... Oh, and yea I had Direct X 9.

Zeotronic

July 4th, 2005, 04:18

Branz_mf

July 4th, 2005, 04:57

I don't want to be rude but... both video card suck!!! You will only be able to play prehistoric games with those old cards (relic from old win98 hardware acceleration).

Zeotronic

July 4th, 2005, 05:20

Friggin great... Well fuck, I'll just wait for it to get here in the mail.

Knuckles

July 4th, 2005, 06:00

seriously, Dolphin require a DirectX9 compatible video card & drivers. if the card is either too old and doesn't have recent drivers for DX9 stuff, it simply won't work. Of course, you're on a laptop so it can't be changed.

On the other PC, you can get any cheap nv cards like a GF4MX and put it in there, install the latest forceware and you'll be able to run dolphin..... even with a nice and little... 112MB of ram... ( I guess it's 128 with 16MB shared with the onboard S3 chip video...

DOGG

July 4th, 2005, 07:04

Time to compare.
Dell Latitude Laptop
OS: Windows XP
CPU: Pentium 3
Video: ATI RAGE Mobility
RAM: 256mb
VS
HP Pavilion xt993 (fixed defective model)
OS: Windows XP
CPU: AMD Athlon Processor
Video: S3 Graphics ProSavage 8A26
RAM: 112 MB
eeewwww. don't buy brand name computers. they're the biggest rippoff. just get ur own parts and build your own machine.

besides, no matter how fast your computer is you're not gonna be playing the game. so just give up

ShizZy

July 4th, 2005, 16:38

Thats crap... I run N64 games all the time, namely Mario 64. No 3D Acceleration doesn't mean you can't play 3D Games. It means that you cannot run them in hardware mode, only software mode (which is much slower and has less features). Some N64 emulators are compatable like this. And, these emulators are hacked and optimized over and over again to be able to do this. The GCN is a much more powerful console, and Dolphin is even more taxing. And, even if you were able to boot a game, you wouldn't be able to get past the title screen because the rest of your computer is garbage.

Zeotronic

July 5th, 2005, 23:42

eeewwww. don't buy brand name computers.
I don't... I got my laptop for free... and Dad got the PC himself... Without... Asking anyone for tips... Wasn't too bright was it?

ShizZy

July 6th, 2005, 04:55

Brand name computers are fine, if you know how to shop for them. These days it's getting just as cheap to buy one as to build one :P

Doomulation

July 6th, 2005, 07:34

But most don't realize they cut the needed ram in half for one thing. It's still best to build one for yourself or upgrade the damnable thing. They also tend to ship with built-in gfx cards which is THE biggest mistake EVER.

RJARRRPCGP

July 6th, 2005, 13:59

No 3D Acceleration doesn't mean you can't play 3D Games. It means that you cannot run them in hardware mode, only software mode (which is much slower and has less features).

LOL. Then the FPS probably would be in the single digits. The ATI Rage at least does have 3D hardware acceleration with DirectX 6 support.

General Plot

July 6th, 2005, 18:37

Brand name computers are fine, if you know how to shop for them. These days it's getting just as cheap to buy one as to build one :P

As a note: it's always been cheaper to build your own rig. When I built my machine 2 years ago, it cost a little over $1000, when I compared it to a similar one on Dell's web site (which had half as much RAM and 120 gigs less HD space) it was around $3,000. Plus, by building your own, you don't run the risk of being stuck with a proprietary design like most prebuilt systems do today. Now if they could just make laptop parts universal..........

Zeotronic

July 7th, 2005, 00:17

Sence we're sorta getting off topic... so will I. Has anyone hear about the new blackbox feature that Microsoft is going to put into new computers? Think building your own would get around that?

General Plot

July 7th, 2005, 04:40

Sence we're sorta getting off topic... so will I. Has anyone hear about the new blackbox feature that Microsoft is going to put into new computers? Think building your own would get around that?

I haven't heard of this one. Chances are, if this is what it sounds like (a record of everything done on the pc), then this will probably be integrated into the OS and not the hardware. If that's the case, it shouldn't effect the ability for a person to build a custom system.

Doomulation

July 7th, 2005, 07:46

A note on that...
Would that not like, break your privacy? That's an offence.

Zeotronic

July 7th, 2005, 14:22

No shit it is... But they can do that now... I'm pretty sure its in the patriot act... But lets not get into that... politics hurt my head more then programming does.

Zeotronic

July 7th, 2005, 14:26

I haven't heard of this one. Chances are, if this is what it sounds like (a record of everything done on the pc), then this will probably be integrated into the OS and not the hardware. If that's the case, it shouldn't effect the ability for a person to build a custom system. Yea... but thats not what I ment... I ment would you be able to build a way around it... but from the way your looking at it, I don't think so. Because inevitably it would take up alot of space. Cus, where else is it gonna save but your hard drive, weather initially or after it uses up some other pre-designated space.

General Plot

July 7th, 2005, 18:11

Yea... but thats not what I ment... I ment would you be able to build a way around it... but from the way your looking at it, I don't think so. Because inevitably it would take up alot of space. Cus, where else is it gonna save but your hard drive, weather initially or after it uses up some other pre-designated space.

Now you're suggesting that M$ plans to make an end user designate a large portion of their hard drive (unwiliingly)? If this impossibility were to ever happen, there's a simple answer: install a really big hard drive. Duh! :P

PS: Do you have any links or information to support this little theory?