Beta Question, (NOT BEGGING FOR THE BETA)

[Super Noodle]

Heres a question. Im not asking for the beta in any way. Im just wondering WHY The beta isent released to public. Lets pretend it is. All the beta testers can still feel free to report bugs and things, but the other people here would love to have it. Yes i know BETA means under develpoment, but Let the community help you out to. WHy does it matter if only 3 guys get the beta, then everyone else get the beta. It could only help, not Hurt. The beta testers can continue to do what they do. I dont understand why this isent done. Explain. NOTE, IM NOT BEGGING FOR THE BETA, Just wondering why this is not done for everyone else.

[Quvack]

It's all up to the developers own personal opinions on open beta testing, and things like that. When I've done testing for various peoples its a whole lot more coordinated and stuff like that when its just a select group of people that the dev knows of. Otherwise you have reports floating in all over the place, and people begging for more features, and complaining about all sorts of things which are to be expected in a beta version.

[Super Noodle]

I understand what you are saying, But if the develporrs dont want to hear anything from non friends, They can just ignore everything others say about the beta. Or Put a seperate forum for BETA help, where OTHER Users can help them, no need to spend the time for the admins. I know this is all the admins choice and what i say will probably not influence there decision anyway ^^;

[Quvack]

I understand what you are saying, But if the develporrs dont want to hear anything from non friends, They can just ignore everything others say about the beta. Or Put a seperate forum for BETA help, where OTHER Users can help them, no need to spend the time for the admins. I know this is all the admins choice and what i say will probably not influence there decision anyway ^^;

If they didnt want to hear from non-friends or whoever, then opening the beta for more feedback like in your first post would make no sence at all. Regardless I'm sure they get enough details from the testers they do have, and if they required more they would find them. Open beta a lot of the time is just asking for trouble, especially with an emulator like this where your gonna be getting lamers from all over the emulation scene swarming it.

[IceWarm]

I agree, open testing is not really a good idea. Mainly because there are so many people that want a beta just so they can play games, they have no intention of actually testing it.

[Jakob]

I'd say the number one reason is they don't want to be harrassed as Quvack said, beta's are buggy, very buggy, that's why they are beta's, dev's take enough flak for the bugs in release versions...

Actually, you could think about it this way:
The beta's that are sent out to testers are more like an alpha version in the corporate world, and the release version are basically like beta versions are in the corporate world...

A lot of the time emu beta's crash testers machines, the pallette is all screwy etc, someone who tests out software is very well aware that their machine may hard crash on them, someone who just wants to play games will bitch whine and complain when that happens, it's really just a big headache.

[MasterPhW]

Just let think for the chankast releases: a lot of n00bs are bitching and whining, because the 0.25 broke some games, a get some slowdowns, but that's because of the devs wanted to release a version with fullscreen etc. AND now they all want a new version, soon as possible, to get these broken games working again and have some more features... it's always the same.
But dolphin has some very good beta testers (and 1964 and most of the other emus, too) which test these emus for such compatibility things. A beta not only means you can play more games, sometimes it means some other games are broken. SO don't be bitchy. let the beta testers do their thing!

[JinXD]

A beta not only means you can play more games, sometimes it means some other games are broken.
As an example, Pokemon Colosseum is broken in the beta, but runs on the teaser! So Noodle, be patient an wait for the next release.....

[jareg]

As an example, Pokemon Colosseum is broken in the beta, but runs on the teaser! So Noodle, be patient an wait for the next release.....

Mhm really :huh:

[JinXD]

Mhm really :huh:
Mhm really!! Here (http://www.emutalk.net/showpost.php?p=223609&postcount=152)

[jareg]

Mhm really!! Here (http://www.emutalk.net/showpost.php?p=223609&postcount=152)

Ok :)

[SoberAnalyst]

John Carmack ... creater of Doom 3 was very upset over the Doom 3 alpha leak because people who played it complained and thought the image of the leak represented the finished product ... made Doom 3 look bad.

Dolphin alpha (teaser) has already been released intentionally ... so ... i'm confused ... it wouldn't hurt to release the Beta to the public, seeing as how the Teaser (alpha) is out.

an idea ... Dolphin Teaser 2, 3, 4, 5

[Dysprosium]

John Carmack ... creater of Doom 3 was very upset over the Doom 3 alpha leak because people who played it complained and thought the image of the leak represented the finished product ... made Doom 3 look bad.

Dolphin alpha (teaser) has already been released intentionally ... so ... i'm confused ... it wouldn't hurt to release the Beta to the public, seeing as how the Teaser (alpha) is out.

an idea ... Dolphin Teaser 2, 3, 4, 5

You don't seem to understand. Programs that are sent out that are not tested have the potencial to damage a system, that and compatibility issues will be a huge rage. :\

[SoberAnalyst]

You don't seem to understand. Programs that are sent out that are not tested have the potencial to damage a system, that and compatibility issues will be a huge rage.

i do understand ... i like living dangerously
i also enjoy eating fast foods and running with scissors.

seriously though, i'm sure everyone in here runs (or has run) dozens of other (potentially deadly and lethal) emulators, microsofts betas and updates and what-not.

compatibility? ... it would be more compatible than the teaser ... again ... it could be "teaser 2". i expect it would take 6Ghz for lots of games to be playable anyway so i'm in no rush ... but i'll argue this one to death.

P.S. i've heard DOS is a very safe and reliable OS (added sarcasm)

[Dysprosium]

i do understand ... i like living dangerously
i also enjoy eating fast foods and running with scissors.

seriously though, i'm sure everyone in here runs (or has run) dozens of other (potentially deadly and lethal) emulators, microsofts betas and updates and what-not.

compatibility? ... it would be more compatible than the teaser ... again ... it could be "teaser 2". i expect it would take 6Ghz for lots of games to be playable anyway so i'm in no rush ... but i'll argue this one to death.

Have any information that it would be more compatible? Pokemon Colosseum doesn't work in the beta and it works in the teaser. Just because it's the 'Beta' doesn't mean it works better.

[SoberAnalyst]

so after 6 months of testing and debugging and work ... over-all it could be worse? well, if there were 2 versions, you could try both of them to see what works better on your favorite game. (no sarcasm added)

[Super Noodle]

Adding both wouldent hurt. I know the admins wouldent like to get all this flak from non "friends / Real beta testers" Thats why they dont allow posts about it from everyone except "Real beta testers" It will be enforced. Make a warnign that its not tested. ^^

[jareg]

Adding both wouldent hurt. I know the admins wouldent like to get all this flak from non "friends / Real beta testers" Thats why they dont allow posts about it from everyone except "Real beta testers" It will be enforced. Make a warnign that its not tested. ^^

This is like ;Please Release The New Version; :whistling

Dont you think :P

[DarthDazDC]

yeah it is. Close this thread plz, They're just askin for the beta and soberanalyst isn't doin himself any favours too. If u want to fight this to the death, then you're sad. Very sad.

[SoberAnalyst]

then you're sad. Very sad.

your thoughts seem to be trailing as if you're losing focus repeating, repeating, repeating ...

"fight this to the death" was "an expression. an expression". it just means i feel i'm right and i won't be convinced otherwise. convinced otherwise.

[Trotterwatch]

You are welcome to your opinion, that being an open beta would be more productive than a closed sourced one. The thing is, at the end of the day the only people that matter are the authors (seeing as this is a project that isn't being charged for).

They will release a version when they are happy with it - I suppose pride is a factor in not releasing something you believe isn't an example of your best work.

[SoberAnalyst]

Personally, I wouldn't see any reason in releasing a Beta if it didn't work well and I wasn't planning on working on it anymore ... this is usually what happens with early emulators.

Does anyone know if they're still working on the WhineCube? ... or any other GC emu? ... i think everyone else gave up.

[jareg]

Personally, I wouldn't see any reason in releasing a Beta if it didn't work well and I wasn't planning on working on it anymore ... this is usually what happens with early emulators.

Does anyone know if they're still working on the WhineCube? ... or any other GC emu? ... i think everyone else gave up.

Everyone else gave up :huh:
Believe me they are still working on it

[JinXD]

Does anyone know if they're still working on the WhineCube? ... or any other GC emu? ... i think everyone else gave up.
Pessimism won't get you anywhere, just be patient. I'm sure we are all going to be pleasantly surprised!! ;)

[bLAdEbLA]

I'd say one thing people don't generally seem to understand is that the term "beta" is often "work in progress", and should be appreciated for what it is... work in progress!

If everyone lined up outside Da Vinci's doorstep, and constantly knocked on the door in the hope he would reveal a half-complete work and open himself to criticism, where would his masterpieces be today? :)

[Knuckles]

There are still annoying bugs on the Beta, not everything is fixed, a part of the GUI isn't working, some things are crashing the emu. The release will be when they will have time and will to fix those things.

[SoberAnalyst]

does the beta support sound yet, does anyone know?

[Dysprosium]

does the beta support sound yet, does anyone know?

Maybe, maybe not. Let's wait, shall we? :D

The release needs suprises. Stop begging. :P

[DinnerSonic]

I kinda wish the beta was out, but that's just because I know Four Swords Adventures works on it and I have been wanting to take graphics from the game because I got the gcm for that without knowing that there was no current support. But I am not begging for it, besides, it's possible that someone here knows the format for Gamecube 2D graphics and I would have no need for the emulator other then for play(unless Four Sword's music is supported, I loved it)

[ViperK8B]

The reason i think its not an open beta is b/c its more organized, with 2-3 people and also its from people that u can trust b/c.........well you choose them urself, based on things that they can do to help you develop the emulator further, Instead of just people who say why isent it out yet b/c they just wanna play there games. (and im not saying thats the reason ur asking) :icecream:

[francesco74]

Have any information that it would be more compatible? Pokemon Colosseum doesn't work in the beta and it works in the teaser. Just because it's the 'Beta' doesn't mean it works better.

Ok, the betatesing isn't open, But I want to do the betatester. I'm serious. I haven't possibility, right?

[SoberAnalyst]

i wouldn't count on being a beta tester, francesco

i wonder how many people have downloaded Dolphin ... or how many people download it every day. i bet there are emulators out there that (because they suck) their production time outnumbers their usage in total hours. makes you think.

i'm not saying Dolphin sucks, don't read between the lines

[Trotterwatch]

You haven't, and it's against the rules to ask too ;) If they want you, they will call you (PM).

[JinXD]

Ok, the betatesing isn't open, But I want to do the betatester. I'm serious. I haven't possibility, right?
vampireuk sig:

I needn't your help azimer, I posted with education and I require educate reply. vampiresuck you are sure a scapegrace; I leave you to swim in your soap...
Yeah I'm sure they want you as a Betatester! :happy:

[MasterPhW]

I really donnu why SoberAnalyst don't understand what we are all talking!?!
Hello? They don't want to release the beta, because there are a lot (and I mean a lot) of (more) failures, which need to be fixed.
And what do you want with the currently beta? I think every week or so comes a new version, every time they fixed a annoying bug or get a new game working... so every week a new release?
And if the beta is released, most people would complain, because its buggy, there a a lot of compatiblity/speed decreases or something else and you, SoberAnalyst, would be the first I think.
Wait please, for the next release, let the devs do their thing and let them release their emu if they are thinking it's ready for release.

That's why dolphin and dolwin were a long time anonym and nobody (only some persons) knew who is working oon a NGC emu and what is working...
Be happy, that they releases a teaser, you can (really) play TWO (2 or zwei, or deux or...) games... that's more the most emus can play of a GC. And a lot of games reach (very slowly) ingame, so what's the prob!?!? :(

[jareg]

I really donnu why SoberAnalyst don't understand what we are all talking!?!
Hello? They don't want to release the beta, because there are a lot (and I mean a lot) of (more) failures, which need to be fixed.
And what do you want with the currently beta? I think every week or so comes a new version, every time they fixed a annoying bug or get a new game working... so every week a new release?
And if the beta is released, most people would complain, because its buggy, there a a lot of compatiblity/speed decreases or something else and you, SoberAnalyst, would be the first I think.
Wait please, for the next release, let the devs do their thing and let them release their emu if they are thinking it's ready for release.

That's why dolphin and dolwin were a long time anonym and nobody (only some persons) knew who is working oon a NGC emu and what is working...
Be happy, that they releases a teaser, you can (really) play TWO (2 or zwei, or deux or...) games... that's more the most emus can play of a GC. And a lot of games reach (very slowly) ingame, so what's the prob!?!? :(

I dont think they work on this all the time (Dolphin team i mean)
And 1 Beta every week i dont think so

[SoberAnalyst]

all people do in here are show off teaser pictures and say (it plays the intro and then crashses) ... it's informal ... nobody is complaining or freaking or tripping or flipping.

if everyone but MasterPhW_DX had the beta and were talking about where it was crashing and what was wrong with it and what new games did whatever compaired to the teaser, MasterPhW_DX would be asking for it ... if everyone was upset because it was crashing and buggy, MasterPhW_DX would still want it. if only 1 game worked better, MasterPhW_DX would do anything for it.

[jareg]

all people do in here are show off teaser pictures and say (it plays the intro and then crashses) ... it's informal ... nobody is complaining or freaking or tripping or flipping.

if everyone but MasterPhW_DX had the beta and were talking about where it was crashing and what was wrong with it and what new games did whatever compaired to the teaser, MasterPhW_DX would be asking for it ... if everyone was upset because it was crashing and buggy, MasterPhW_DX would still want it. if only 1 game worked better, MasterPhW_DX would do anything for it.

Nobody tripping and flipping sure :P You should go look in the Chankast Forum there are many diffrent users that complain why doesnt that work and so on

And what to you no about what MasterPhW_DX wants :huh:

[Dysprosium]

all people do in here are show off teaser pictures and say (it plays the intro and then crashses) ... it's informal ... nobody is complaining or freaking or tripping or flipping.

if everyone but MasterPhW_DX had the beta and were talking about where it was crashing and what was wrong with it and what new games did whatever compaired to the teaser, MasterPhW_DX would be asking for it ... if everyone was upset because it was crashing and buggy, MasterPhW_DX would still want it. if only 1 game worked better, MasterPhW_DX would do anything for it.

..... Stop complaining. Who cares? I'd rather wait and see a improvement in the majority of games, then have a release every 2 or so weeks with a improvement on 1 or 2 games. Have you not noticed that people have jobs too? They don't get paid for making Dolphin, it's just a frickin' hobby. Ok? Opinions are well and good, but going on and complaining over and over about them isn't going to get it to happen. The team decides when to release it, let's give them time. Scheeh. ¬_¬

[SoberAnalyst]

Dophin will never be perfect anyway ... so no point in waiting until it's perfect ... if someone is going to complain, they will complain.

what if Dolphin ran half the games very decent ... wouldn't there still be a million things to complain about? ... what if people with Pentium I CPUs have a slow frame-rate? ... they will complain too.

everyone is too worried about the possibility of someone complaining. what if everyone complained because the beta was never released? one might argue that not getting biweekly updates on the status is the #1 thing worth complaining about. what's everyone elses thoughts?

[jareg]

You are getting annoiyng :whistling

[Clements]

The authors have no obligation to release anything to the public, give updates, or really care if people complain since its work they do in their free time that they happen to share with the public. Therefore no one has a right to question their motives.

Think yourself lucky you have the teaser release to play around with. Requesting betas/new releases (i.e. being a Beta-kiddie) is one of the most disrespectful things you can do (and a bannable offence, I might add since it is against the rules), and I'd imagine is very off-putting to the authors. The authors want closed beta testing, so you must respect their choice no matter what.

[ViperK8B]

The authors have no obligation to release anything to the public, give updates, or really care if people complain since its work they do in their free time that they happen to share with the public. Therefore no one has a right to question their motives.

Think yourself lucky you have the teaser release to play around with. Requesting betas/new releases (i.e. being a Beta-kiddie) is one of the most disrespectful things you can do (and a bannable offence, I might add since it is against the rules), and I'd imagine is very off-putting to the authors. The authors want closed beta testing, so you must respect their choice no matter what.
i could'nt have said it any better my self clements. :icecream:

[Knuckles]

ok, I got enough, I was reading this without replying just to see where it was going, I totally agree with Clements and I will now close this topic.

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