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[mashakos]

Where I'm from some things are cheap like a $3 knockoff Intel CPU fan, and some things aren't like gfx cards.

Where a geforce 4MX costs $85, you have to be careful not to buy somethign that might be obsolete.

So I wanted to ask which gfxcard has better performance / will last longer ?

Geforce FX 5600 or ATI RADEON 9600 ?

Anything higher than that is way too expensive for me :D

[thenate04]

heres a great site that compares all the video cards

http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20031229/index.html

heres one benchmark chart
http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20031229/images/image005.gif

if you can go for the 9600 pro (about 125 on newegg) or the xt (about 150 on newegg) id recommend that!

i know you can get the 9800 regular for 166 on newegg

[Jakob]

maybe save the image and upload it as an attatchment? tomshardware doesn't allow offlinking

[thenate04]

ok but you can just look at benchmark section of the link i posted...

there are tons more for different games and diag software

[Clements]

As much as I'd hate to admit it, that Radeon is consistantly faster than that GeForce. Even overclocked, I can only get 18000 in Aquamark.

[achiles]

yeah between those 2 ill go with a 9600 as well, I own both an nvidia 5900xt and a 9500 pro and the only way I can play chankast's sa2 is with my ati card. hate swapping them cuz my fx 5900 is definately faster (different generations duh).

[mashakos]

The shops in my country are total ripoffs!!!! I have $135 to spare and that's not enough for a Radeon 9200!!

There are also a lot of suspicously cheap RADEON 9600's flying around worth $72 :plain:

I know the Geforce FX 5700 LE is weaker than the Geforce 5600, and the Radeon 9600se is more like a Radeon 9200 or 8500.

Am I right and are there any other "Slow Edition" SE "Lazy Edition" LE cards ?

[mashakos]

Just got a Sapphire ATI RADEON 9600xt 256mb RAM with dvi output yesterday. It's the overclock edition with redline software.

It's my first upgrade since I bought a Geforce 4MX 440 last year. I plug in my new card, install the drivers and wait for Win 2000 to load so I can get into some serious gaming. But what's this ? Windows crashes!!!

I uninstall the drivers from safe mode and restart to look for answers on the net (on a 640x480 16-color display :( ) and find a lot of posts advising updates to the bios, the motherboard chipset drivers, using older catalyst drivers etc.

So here's what I do:
before i began:

Made sure I had no other driver sets (detonator) on the system. Uninstalled detonator drivers before I changed gfx cards BTW. Used driver cleaner 3 to automatically remove any registry entries / files

1st try:

Uninstall catalyst drivers that came withe the card, download catalyst drivers ver 4.xx to 3.xx
Tried each version.
Result: Windows 2000 boots then crashes a few minutes into the loading network settings/user profile dialog. Crash is a blue screen with a message that says something like FILE SYSTEM ERROR or something

2nd try:

Downloaded chipset driver update and bios update for my Intel 845PE motherboard.
Installed them successfully.
Repeated steps taken in 1st try; tested with catalyst drivers 4.xx to 3.xx
No change.
Result: Windows 2000 boots then crashes a few minutes into the loading network settings/user profile dialog. Crash is a blue screen with a message that says something like IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL or something

last try

Removed my pci modem(!) then tried again.
Result: Windows does not crash to the blue screen, but many services/programs (e.g: inetinfo.exe) give illegal operation errors and ALL programs give illegal error. Oh yeah, forgot to mention that windows crashed to the blue screen after another restart.

My Intel 845PE motherboard only allows the AGP Aperture size setting.

Tried the card on another Windows XP system, and it worked. Could this be a driver issue for Win2k? But I tried all the catalyst sets!!
My home is equipped with central air conditioning which keeps the temperature at a cool 15C (about 30F-40F) so it can't be an overheat problem.
I am using a 300W PSU. Is that enough for a 9600xt?

I've never had this many problems with my old Geforce 4MX 440 and never thought I would since my terrible experience with the S3 Savage a few years back. I don't want to go back to the dark ages where a card has "issues" like rebooting the system when changing resolutions in Halo(!!) or crashing when you sneeze. :bye3:

Any ideas before I return my card today ?

[Stezo2k]

As much as I'd hate to admit it, that Radeon is consistantly faster than that GeForce. Even overclocked, I can only get 18000 in Aquamark.

That was the case a few months ago, but since the GeForce 6800 benchmarks came out, Nvidia seem to be back on the ball, the benchmarks show that the Gf 6800 is faster than the R x800, I can't imagine how fast the 6800 would be in SLI mode :)

[mezkal]

Just got a Sapphire ATI RADEON 9600xt 256mb RAM with dvi output yesterday. It's the overclock edition with redline software.

It's my first upgrade since I bought a Geforce 4MX 440 last year. I plug in my new card, install the drivers and wait for Win 2000 to load so I can get into some serious gaming. But what's this ? Windows crashes!!!

I uninstall the drivers from safe mode and restart to look for answers on the net (on a 640x480 16-color display :( ) and find a lot of posts advising updates to the bios, the motherboard chipset drivers, using older catalyst drivers etc.

So here's what I do:
before i began:

Made sure I had no other driver sets (detonator) on the system. Uninstalled detonator drivers before I changed gfx cards BTW. Used driver cleaner 3 to automatically remove any registry entries / files

1st try:

Uninstall catalyst drivers that came withe the card, download catalyst drivers ver 4.xx to 3.xx
Tried each version.
Result: Windows 2000 boots then crashes a few minutes into the loading network settings/user profile dialog. Crash is a blue screen with a message that says something like FILE SYSTEM ERROR or something

2nd try:

Downloaded chipset driver update and bios update for my Intel 845PE motherboard.
Installed them successfully.
Repeated steps taken in 1st try; tested with catalyst drivers 4.xx to 3.xx
No change.
Result: Windows 2000 boots then crashes a few minutes into the loading network settings/user profile dialog. Crash is a blue screen with a message that says something like IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL or something

last try

Removed my pci modem(!) then tried again.
Result: Windows does not crash to the blue screen, but many services/programs (e.g: inetinfo.exe) give illegal operation errors and ALL programs give illegal error. Oh yeah, forgot to mention that windows crashed to the blue screen after another restart.

My Intel 845PE motherboard only allows the AGP Aperture size setting.

Tried the card on another Windows XP system, and it worked. Could this be a driver issue for Win2k? But I tried all the catalyst sets!!
My home is equipped with central air conditioning which keeps the temperature at a cool 15C (about 30F-40F) so it can't be an overheat problem.
I am using a 300W PSU. Is that enough for a 9600xt?

I've never had this many problems with my old Geforce 4MX 440 and never thought I would since my terrible experience with the S3 Savage a few years back. I don't want to go back to the dark ages where a card has "issues" like rebooting the system when changing resolutions in Halo(!!) or crashing when you sneeze. :bye3:

Any ideas before I return my card today ?

I'm not usually this blunt but ATI's drivers haven't improved much.

I recently purchased a GeXube 9600XT 256MB version. It ran well under XP and of course in Chankast (as the devs use that card AND a 9800XT its hardly surprising. But the drivers were another matter indeed. I've owned lotsa cards in my day - also ATI 7500 and 8500 based ones too. I despise ATI's drivers. Experience has shown me that they are buggy, difficult to work with and well u know the rest. The clincher for me is that they do not support 3D acceleration in ANY form on the second display or in spanned display modes. I sold it immediately (well within 5 days) and got a NV 5900XT 128MB board by Leadtek instead - the price diff was about $20 US. It's been totally worth it for me. The latest NV drivers 62.01 and 62.22 are just getting better and better. Since the 61.36 set you can see that NV have finally taken the same colouring route that was once only available on ATI cards. That and I can play UT 2004, FarCry and other games (Doom III sooooooon - I hope) across both my 19"s in spanned mode. Awesome fun :) That said it is slower in Chankast and somewhat less compatible - though this is being dealt with in more recent driver sets as NV emulates more of the Radeon codepath (force a game to detect the card as Radeon 9800 Pro using 3D analyse and its really hard to see the differences anymore).

So there ya go.

Cheers :)

[Heinster]

My cousin bought a 9600pro for75€ on "marktplaats"lil bit like ebay... So why won't you try to buy it that way? It will save you atleast 30-40% of what you would have payed in a store....

[Heinster]

ok but you can just look at benchmark section of the link i posted...

there are tons more for different games and diag software

With my softmodded 9800se I get 45000 :devil:

[Nightmare]

Any ideas before I return my card today ?

hmm... it could be an irq problem... you can make a try, uninstall all your drivers (to free all yours irq) then you reinstall them, but you have to start this install with your new gfx card driver...

[mashakos]

Went to the store to return the board.

As usual the in-store tech geek tried to find a million ways in which I could be wrong but I was too much for him :D

In the end he tested it on his XP machine and he got a corrupt windows display. I know that's a bios problem in the board but I didn't say anything.
He finally agreed to replace the board for me and if that doesn't work, he'll give me a refund. I was very impressed because replacing a part is a big deal for store owners here. So I took the replacement and tried it at home without expecting much and guess what? It worked without a hitch :doh: :huh: :doh:

What's really scary is the list of issues ATI states are on RADEON Cards:


OpenGL acceleration is unavailable when using a Radeon 9100 product with Catalyst 3.5
RADEON 9700 PRO 128MB - Direct3D games experience hangs or display corruption
Slow 3D performance in Windows XP with 512MB or greater installed
RADEON 9700 / 9500 Series - OpenGL based games may stutter under Windows XP
DirectX Applications are limited to 60 Hz in Windows 2000 and Windows XP
OpenGL Based Application Causes an Access Violation error
TOCA Race Driver: Cars are transparent using RADEON 9100 Series
NHL 2003 - crashes and/or hangs the system
Colin McRae Rally 3 hangs entering a Championship game
Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy hangs when enabling 4x or 6x Anti-aliasing
HomeWorld 2: Poor performance or crashing with shadows enabled
Tomb Raider: Angel of Darkness - aliasing or jagged edges on walls



Hope none of these happens to me :whistling

[bouncerboy15]

Went to the store to return the board.

As usual the in-store tech geek tried to find a million ways in which I could be wrong but I was too much for him :D

In the end he tested it on his XP machine and he got a corrupt windows display. I know that's a bios problem in the board but I didn't say anything.
He finally agreed to replace the board for me and if that doesn't work, he'll give me a refund. I was very impressed because replacing a part is a big deal for store owners here. So I took the replacement and tried it at home without expecting much and guess what? It worked without a hitch :doh: :huh: :doh:

What's really scary is the list of issues ATI states are on RADEON Cards:


OpenGL acceleration is unavailable when using a Radeon 9100 product with Catalyst 3.5
RADEON 9700 PRO 128MB - Direct3D games experience hangs or display corruption
Slow 3D performance in Windows XP with 512MB or greater installed
RADEON 9700 / 9500 Series - OpenGL based games may stutter under Windows XP
DirectX Applications are limited to 60 Hz in Windows 2000 and Windows XP
OpenGL Based Application Causes an Access Violation error
TOCA Race Driver: Cars are transparent using RADEON 9100 Series
NHL 2003 - crashes and/or hangs the system
Colin McRae Rally 3 hangs entering a Championship game
Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy hangs when enabling 4x or 6x Anti-aliasing
HomeWorld 2: Poor performance or crashing with shadows enabled
Tomb Raider: Angel of Darkness - aliasing or jagged edges on walls



Hope none of these happens to me :whistling
Just keep up with the latest drivers and you'll be fine.

[Heinster]

Went to the store to return the board.

As usual the in-store tech geek tried to find a million ways in which I could be wrong but I was too much for him :D

In the end he tested it on his XP machine and he got a corrupt windows display. I know that's a bios problem in the board but I didn't say anything.
He finally agreed to replace the board for me and if that doesn't work, he'll give me a refund. I was very impressed because replacing a part is a big deal for store owners here. So I took the replacement and tried it at home without expecting much and guess what? It worked without a hitch :doh: :huh: :doh:

What's really scary is the list of issues ATI states are on RADEON Cards:


OpenGL acceleration is unavailable when using a Radeon 9100 product with Catalyst 3.5
RADEON 9700 PRO 128MB - Direct3D games experience hangs or display corruption
Slow 3D performance in Windows XP with 512MB or greater installed
RADEON 9700 / 9500 Series - OpenGL based games may stutter under Windows XP
DirectX Applications are limited to 60 Hz in Windows 2000 and Windows XP
OpenGL Based Application Causes an Access Violation error
TOCA Race Driver: Cars are transparent using RADEON 9100 Series
NHL 2003 - crashes and/or hangs the system
Colin McRae Rally 3 hangs entering a Championship game
Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy hangs when enabling 4x or 6x Anti-aliasing
HomeWorld 2: Poor performance or crashing with shadows enabled
Tomb Raider: Angel of Darkness - aliasing or jagged edges on walls



Hope none of these happens to me :whistling

Why don't I have those issues?

[Ex0skelet0r]

you dont have to scare for anything about it.enjoy your new card.i have the same.just keep updating bios and gfx drivers (see the version history before updating.some times is better to stay in the old drivers)

i'll waiting for you in the net for ut and ut2004 :D

[mashakos]

anytime man! :term: :D

[mashakos]

I got 3539 in 3DMARK 03. Is that ok for a geforce 9600XT?

One store was selling a used Geforce FX5900 Ultra for $529. How is that price ? Reasonable or not ? I know the answer. I just want to make sure that I'm not insane :D

[-indecisive-]

a used 5900xt for over $500??! damn, what're those people smoking?
and yo, where you get the gouki smilies?

[mezkal]

He said it was an Ultra....The XT's are overlcocked NON ULTRAs. I know, I have one. But either way it IS too much. Better to buy a 6800 GT for that price.

[ickle_moi]

my 4200ti died the other day and i choose to go with an asus 9600xt
overclocks at 533/700 (default 500/600) and im very happy with the result
go ATI