Team Cassini, The Open Source Sega Saturn Emu

[Barnito]

Release Slated For 7/12/04
From Snail: July 11, 2004

Wow, who could have known when I was asked to start work on this project,
that it would have such an impact?
Appearntly everyone but me :D

In the first week of its unpublished release,
my WinXP version of GiriGiri went global!
Litteraly tens of thousands of copies were downloaded!
It was so furious in fact that I nearly lost my ISP due to bandwidth use.

Well, having learned from that, having done more work, and having made
some preperations this time around, I am proud to announce, a new release.

Whats new:

01. This project is now called "Cassini".
02. Decrypted ALL of the coding.
03. Decompiled and added the source codes to the package.
04. More translation.
05. Removed the BIOS.
06. Thanks to work by MiC, updated the FrontEnd.
07. More performance improvements.
08. Updated the games.dat compatability list.
09. Updated the "Complete" games list.
10. Added HELP support.
11. Set up download sites.

The newly formed "Team Cassini" consists of:

Barnito - Advertising, Hosting, Distribution
Lockshaw13 - lists and compatability
Slacker - lists and compatability
Iceman50 - resource acquisitions
SigmaX6, DWBrett - Beta testing
Snail - Coding

Edited by vamp: link removed for now, if further information required please contact myself, or preferably keith since im too lazy to do anything.

[Talas]

Congrats. Keep up the great work.

[MasterPhW]

Great to see progress in the saturn scene! Hope you're project will be a succes!
But how do you have decrypted the coding and decompiled the source?

[Barnito]

our coding guru Snail spent 2 weeks on it. the release is tomorrow..

barnito

[holymoz]

great, sincerely I never bet on a rebirth of girigiri, all this ardor on working on it make very happy!

[Hexidecimal]

Good luck guys! I've just gotten back into the Saturn Scene, glad to see it's still alive and kicking.

[Dysprosium]

Excellent work! Can't wait for tomorrow to get this! :)

[Barnito]

Cassini Released!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Release Slated For 7/12/04
From Snail: July 11, 2004

Wow, who could have known when I was asked to start work on this project,
that it would have such an impact?
Appearntly everyone but me :D

In the first week of its unpublished release,
my WinXP version of GiriGiri went global!
Litteraly tens of thousands of copies were downloaded!
It was so furious in fact that I nearly lost my ISP due to bandwidth use.

Well, having learned from that, having done more work, and having made
some preperations this time around, I am proud to announce, a new release.

Whats new:

01. This project is now called "Cassini".
02. Decrypted ALL of the coding.
03. Decompiled and added the source codes to the package.
04. More translation.
05. Removed the BIOS.
06. Thanks to work by MiC, updated the FrontEnd.
07. More performance improvements.
08. Updated the games.dat compatability list.
09. Updated the "Complete" games list.
10. Added HELP support.
11. Set up download sites.

The newly formed "Team Cassini" consists of:

Barnito - Advertising, Hosting, Distribution
Lockshaw13 - lists and compatability
Slacker - lists and compatability
Iceman50 - resource acquisitions
SigmaX6, DWBrett - Beta testing
Snail - Coding

edited by vamp: link removed again, same as first post.

[gsaturntool]

Cool. an open source saturn emulator.

[fivefeet8]

Cool. an open source saturn emulator.

It's a hacked version of the girigiri saturn emulator used by sega in it's recently closed Sega B club service. Hopefully, it truely is abandonware so all the Cassini team can do this without fear of legal issues.

[Jakob]

eh.. I retract what I said, I will be waiting for you to actually get in touch with sega's legal department and get them to make the giri giri project public domain, until then cassini is neither open source nor legal.

[vampireuk]

Open source? OPEN SOURCE!!!

Gah Communism!

/me runs

[gsaturntool]

I download the source code, but i'm no idea start from where? what program can i use to read the source code? how to recompose the source code?

[holymoz]

the joypad doesn't work, I don't understand, I confogure it correctly but when starts it work only with keyboard

[holymoz]

during installation it doesn't make me change the installation directory, when finished the emulator is in the program files directory but the shortcut links point to the directory italian (I'm italian) c:\windows\menu avvio\programmi

the program files directory where is the emulator is created apposite for cassini, my program files directory is c:\windows\programmi

surely the non working joypad is fault of this discrepancy

[holymoz]

ok, I found a solution, edited manually the user.ini and paste/copy the joypads config data from older snails girigiri usere.ini

[l00pus]

Barnito quick question. Im at work so I cant test it out. Any chance this new release would bring a resolution to my problem from the previous thread.

(The binding of certain keys that have system functions like key 0 and 5 etc)

If your not sure no biggie im gonna check it out when I get off work I just figured I would ask since I dont get out of here for another 6+ hrs

[refraction]

umm may i point peoples attention to this.

Taken from Emufanatics:


quad best known for VOOT (Virtual On:Oratorio Tangram for the Dreamcast) has given me permission to post his comments regarding this matter. He has dealt with Sega's legal department in the past and has the experience and knowledge to provide us with some great information regarding this situation.

(IRC Comments)

quad: That is so severely illegal.
quad: Japanese copyright law is even harsher than US in that regard.
quad: I should know, I dealed with it on np-voot.
quad: I've already dealed with Sega's legal department before. (via Hitmaker and then Activision's.)
quad: Ok, here is the plain basic facts:
quad: Both Japanese and US copyright law, as well as best practices pushed by WIPO, make the re-distribution of the disassembled sources illegal.
quad: Furthermore, regardless of GiriGiri's abandonware status, without a specific contract licensing the intellectual property or without a notarized and registered release into the public domain, distribution of the original or any derivative works is illegal.
quad: As GiriGiri was not released in the United States, legal contact would need to be made with Sega of Japan. (Sammy owns the company, but the legal department is what matters.)
quad: Sega of America and Sega Corp. International are not the copyright owners and would have no legal powers.
quad: Note: Sega does not need to renew their rights.
quad: The Berne Convention (and GATT), which Japan is a signatory of, places the rights for 75 years from publication or 100 years from creation - whichever is shorter.
quad: I've written many papers on Copyright law.
quad: It's a personal interest.
quad: As for how Sega works, legally, I dealed with them on np-voot.
quad: Because VOOT's copyright is owned by Activision in the US, I ended up recieving permission from them to continue.
quad: The program is illegal in Japan, definitely.
quad: But, SoJ and Hitmaker's legal both were made aware of the software and e-mailed noting no action would be taken.
quad: So it's in a grey area there.


Thanks for the great information quad.

Original thread about the legality of Cassini HERE (http://www.emufanatics.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=1294)

[Talas]

Hm... has anyone noticed that there is a new Version of Cassini? Version 2.0. Cant find the changes on this one. If you download it then the file is named "cassini_lite.exe". Anyone has any information on this release?

[refraction]

probably cos even the authors dont know whats different ;p

tbh i dont think its any different from the original, just the gui changed slightly.

[PsyMan]

probably cos even the authors dont know whats different ;p

tbh i dont think its any different from the original, just the gui changed slightly.
I also think that this is true. I pesonally believe that the "authors" of this project use the work of other people and simply say that it's their work.
A possible example is in this thread: http://www.emutalk.net/showthread.php?t=22258

[refraction]

I also think that this is true. I pesonally believe that the "authors" of this project use the work of other people and simply say that it's their work.
A possible example is in this thread: http://www.emutalk.net/showthread.php?t=22258


well yes thats the other possability which i find very plausable, but the link is being removed when theres a mod around who can alter it, so i suggest removing the link to their site from your thread :)

[PsyMan]

well yes thats the other possability which i find very plausable, but the link is being removed when theres a mod around who can alter it, so i suggest removing the link to their site from your thread :)
Since there is alread a link to their site from this thread I don't think that it's necessary, but if a mod/admin wants to remove my link he can do it whenever he wants :)

[vampireuk]

I'll take the flak for this if required, no offence to the coders and those that worked on this project but we do not wish to support cassini until it is public knowledge that the project is legal.

[Talas]

I wonder how they are going to prove it. Well, I for one like the emu. But it would be cool to know whats new in the releases. ;)

[Talas]

Oh and BTW I would like to hear a statement from Barnito concerning the questions that have been raised recently about the legality of the Team Cassini Emu (nice idea for the name btw, didnt realize what it meant at first. ;))

[refraction]

he has been included in the convosation (kinda) HERE (http://www.emufanatics.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=1294&st=0)

Also you can see his side of the story on their official forums (Which i shall not link due to the site content) but just looking at the home of the emulator, which is riddled with illegalness, says it all :)

[Talas]

I visited your link but cant find any statement from barnito.

[refraction]

well look through it, he has linked there to their forum and their "legal" statement.

plus hes left a few comments through the thread

[vampireuk]

I suggest reading here

http://www.emufanatics.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=1294

[Mr Dragon]

I like the way the "source" of Cassini is just a 14Mb dissassembly of the hacked executable.

That's great guys, thanks for the effort. I think I can hear Stallman's cheering your contribution to open source right now.

[Trotterwatch]

I like the way the "source" of Cassini is just a 14Mb dissassembly of the hacked executable.

That's great guys, thanks for the effort. I think I can hear Stallman's cheering your contribution to open source right now.
Some people want the moon on a stick! :P

I agree 'tis lame btw

[The Dude]

Hey guys,there is a huge debate going on at the place where the Cassini forum is hosted. Even they have said they are not supporting it and the Cassini forum will close in 24 hours (sometime today.) Its quite an interesting read, Keith from Emufanatics posed some very good questions and got no good answers.

[vampireuk]

The Cassini team have nothing to offer but flames for any criticism they have recieved. To me this "project" is completely fake and a waste of time, the team are refusing to answer questions and are flat out insulting people insetad of trying to prove them wrong. Glad to see 1emulation are cutting support from them.