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[BabyMario]

Gamecube Roms and Emulators, are there or will there be any?

[Raging Fuel]

Emulators, most probably, but they won't be around (in a working state) for at least 2 or 3 years. ROMs, no. That's because the GameCube doesn't use ROMs (cartridges) it uses ISOs (CDs, DVDs, etc).

[Reznor007]

Realize that you are asking for 1.5GB ISO files :)

And you would need a computer that would make an AthlonXP2000+ with a Radeon8500 look like a child's toy.

[DuDe]

Yeah, that`s right, you`ll need an extremely hefty machine... Though the system is ain`t that powerful : I mean, you see slowdowns in the FIFA2002 GC version, yet you don`t see any on a 700mhz P3 with a GF2 card... I guess that what makes emulation much slower is the difference between the cpu`s structure...

[Reznor007]

Saying the system isn't powerful is quite wrong.

Just look at Rogue Leader :)

And while I haven't seen FIFA2002 on Gamecube, I would have to say the console version would look better than the PC version or else it was poorly programmed if it had slowdown.

[DuDe]

FIFA2002 doesn`t look better than the PC version, not even a bit, yet it still plays slower, and that`s because consoles are weaker than PC`s. Anyway, Rogue Leader has its share of framerate chugs, at the battles over the ice planet you get a "slide show" rather often.

[blizz]

Rogue Leader is bloody impressive considering how short the dev time was.

[DuDe]

Never said it isn`t, it`s pretty fun too.

[Reznor007]

Originally posted by Oleg Zaks
FIFA2002 doesn`t look better than the PC version, not even a bit, yet it still plays slower, and that`s because consoles are weaker than PC`s. Anyway, Rogue Leader has its share of framerate chugs, at the battles over the ice planet you get a "slide show" rather often.

Umm...no, you never get a slideshow on Hoth. I've the game for almost 2 months now, I would know :) But the game pushes around 15-20 million polygons per second, so slow down is understandable(but 60FPS for the most part).

It seems weird that it would go slower though. Gamecube is on the level of a 1GHz Athlon with a Radeon8500(around there). Most likely it is very sloppy coding or something.

[CpU MasteR]

Originally posted by Reznor007


Umm...no, you never get a slideshow on Hoth. I've the game for almost 2 months now, I would know :) But the game pushes around 15-20 million polygons per second, so slow down is understandable(but 60FPS for the most part).

Ahh But Remember, The Gamecube Uses an ATI Radeon 3D GFX Interface...

[Malcolm]

Originally posted by Reznor007
Saying the system isn't powerful is quite wrong.

Just look at Rogue Leader :)

And while I haven't seen FIFA2002 on Gamecube, I would have to say the console version would look better than the PC version or else it was poorly programmed if it had slowdown.

Just because the system can give a nice picture and sound doesn't mean its powerful, it means that the company is using the hardware to its extent. Look at the PlayStation. It came out a long long time ago and in most cases people prefered it over the DreamCast and N64, even tho those systems had some better hardware. Its not how powerful the machine is its how the programmers utilize the hardware inside the the machine :)

I hope thats makes a bit more sence ???

[DuDe]

Yeah man, you have a point... Tekken 3 looked pretty cool at the time, although it had no anisotropic filtering, or FSAA, or whatever... It`s like, "size doesn`t matter, what matters is what you make of it" :)

[dave_luther]

Fifa, Fifa, the worst football game ever, ISS 2 on GC which now has a fifpro license is gonna whup this lowlife games ass so badly that it wish it had never been born

[_gpf_]

hell, i just wanna play melee on my computer. i was just blown away by the graphics when i started playing at my friend's house. (can you say giga bowser?)

[Reznor007]

Originally posted by CpU MasteR


Ahh But Remember, The Gamecube Uses an ATI Radeon 3D GFX Interface...

Gamecube does not use anything ATI created. ArtX designed the Gamecube GPU, then ATI bought ArtX.

[Reznor007]

Originally posted by Malcolm


Just because the system can give a nice picture and sound doesn't mean its powerful, it means that the company is using the hardware to its extent. Look at the PlayStation. It came out a long long time ago and in most cases people prefered it over the DreamCast and N64, even tho those systems had some better hardware. Its not how powerful the machine is its how the programmers utilize the hardware inside the the machine :)

I hope thats makes a bit more sence ???

But RL does not use the system to it's full extent. It only uses very simple shaders and high poly models. Tekken3 used the full extent of the PSX, and the arcade version ran on overclocked PSX hardware.

[Reznor007]

Originally posted by dave_luther
Fifa, Fifa, the worst football game ever, ISS 2 on GC which now has a fifpro license is gonna whup this lowlife games ass so badly that it wish it had never been born

Agreed :)

[RPGlover12]

Originally posted by Reznor007


Agreed :) well i dont agree with ya at all i never agreed this and i will never fifa is the best game ever and will always be and the iss isn't as good as fifa and mostly i get bored of all the soccer games thats why i dont buy the original :)

[dave_luther]

Originally posted by RPGlover12
well i dont agree with ya at all i never agreed this and i will never fifa is the best game ever and will always be and the iss isn't as good as fifa and mostly i get bored of all the soccer games thats why i dont buy the original :)

man, is fifa lame, half of the players in fifa dont have names, and i dont mean made up names, they are numbers, LAME! Man , is fifa lame, there is no world cup mode, you qualify and the games ends there, LAME! Man, is fifa lame , African teams and Ocieana teams have all been missed out and there is no qualfying for these regions, LAME! Man, is fifa lame, the gameplay is sooooo bad, the computer always socres from the half way line, the gameplay is just a copy of premier league stars, nuffin new, LAME! Man, is fifa lame, when you win a tournament, your reward is that you get a picture of a player, WOW!!! now i can look at a player all day. LAME! Man , is fifa lame, i havent played it in 3 months, LAME! Plus lots of bugs, eg formation bug+ editing bug make this game a BIG headache. Also ea released a patch earlier this year which was meant to fix this, it was like 100 MB, but all the 99MB of the patch did was remove taiwan from the game, cuz they cudnt get the license or sommmats, like we really care??

FIFA is lame (except 98 which was just sweet) and EA is lame, full stop.

[DuDe]

Well, if it`s so lame as you state, why did you buy it? Fifa is a good series of soccer games, definitily better than anything else that you can find on the market, and I haven`t ever seen the computer score from the half way line. Anyway, cutting out the world cup mode did suck, since EA wants to make money out of World cup 2002 that comes out in the summer. But between that, and stating the whole game as crap, there is a very long distance.

[_gpf_]

I would argue except... well... I hate soccer. Have since the second grade! Haaaaa :D

[dave_luther]

i havent bought a fifa game since 99, i burnt it using my friends cd, i didnt buy it, and am i glad, man does it suck!

[blizz]

it's not soccer it's football :p

[dave_luther]

hell yeah!

[_gpf_]

Nonono... football is that game where two teams from the AFC and NFC meet in the Super Bowl! :D

[DuDe]

AFC? NFC? Super Bowl? What`s that, some kind of a bowling league? :)








I AM kidding you know, I do know the difference between football and soccer. At least I hope I do...

[Remote]

REDMOND, Wash.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Jan. 30, 2002--Applied Microsystems Corp., developer of optical disk-based development kits for the game console market as well as embedded software test, debug and verification tools, today announced its new agreement with Marubeni Solution Corp. -- the leading distributor in Japan of Nintendo GameCube(TM) development kits.

Under the new agreement, Marubeni Solution will distribute Applied's optical disk solution, a key highlight of Nintendo GameCube development kits. Commenting on the new agreement, Makoto Sekoguchi, general manager, IT Solution Division, Marubeni Solution Corp., said: ``When the average game title costs $5 million (US) to develop, finding high performance yet cost effective tools is a very important priority for the game developer. Based on the experience Nintendo's customers in America are having with Applied's products, we are confident and pleased to extend this solution to our game developers in Japan.''

With Applied's solutions, it's no longer necessary to burn discs for every minor change that is made, saving developers crucial time, resources and money. Working with debuggers such as SN Systems' ProDG(TM) and MetroWerks' CodeWarrior(TM), Applied's emulation technology delivers the critical visibility and communications channel into both the host and target environment so that game developers can control the quality of their code and data through emulation of their optical disk environment. Using this optical disk emulation technology, developers can compile code while they emulate -- thereby significantly shortening the time game title development typically takes today.

This next generation optical disc emulation technology emulates the physical characteristics of the optical disk drive by adjusting the transfer rate of data coming from the hard drive. Armed with this tool, developers can observe spin up/down, head seek and rotational time, disc cache operation, and the data transfer rate based on the physical location of data on the drive. Applied's optical disk emulation technology allows the developer to inject errors to simulate scratches or bad discs so typical variations caused by these real-life factors can be accurately managed at the development stage.

Applied's Vice President of Sales and Marketing Mark Budzinski said: ``We are grateful to Nintendo Co., Ltd. of Japan for introducing us to Marubeni Solution, their leading distributor in Japan. Applied is looking forward to serving Nintendo's game developers in Japan through this important relationship with Marubeni and committing to them the most cost effective high performance optical disk game development kit available today.''

[_gpf_]

I AM kidding you know, I do know the difference between football and soccer. At least I hope I do...

Yeah, yeah, I figured you were. I only mention it b/c a) I'm from the US and b) I like our football immeasurably more than the real football.

[blizz]

Originally posted by _gpf_


Yeah, yeah, I figured you were. I only mention it b/c a) I'm from the US and b) I like our football immeasurably more than the real football.

yeah I'd like to see them do it without the padding. :p

[gokuss4]

Originally posted by blizz


yeah I'd like to see them do it without the padding. :p

dont you mean rugby blizz :p ;)

[blizz]

Originally posted by gokuss4


dont you mean rugby blizz :p ;)

yup

[dave_luther]

at rugby us get thrashed every game they play in

[crhylove]

i don't think it's valid to be discouraged by the processing power of the GC in relation to emu, or the xbox, or the ps2....

For one, Corn emulates the n64 on machines barely more powerful, so emulation is possible even on machines only slightly more powerful.

Two, The PC industry is alwasy improving by large leaps and bounds... as soon as doom 3 comes out and requires a geforce 4 for decent frame rates, everyone will be upgrading all over again, and PCs will quickly start to be much much more powerful than the current crop of consoles....

three, Just because the consoles are new shouldn't discourage anybody either, reverse engineering is important no matter when it's started... the sooner of course the better.

four, there is ALOT of tech possibilities afoot that will make all computers globally combined look like child's toys...

...in no specific order

nanotechnology (just atomically reproduce any console for free! Or just the necessary hardware...) Or of course just build a molecular scaled computer that is way WAY below the .15 process somewhere in the .00015 process scale arena, and hence so fast that it can emulate any current computer like it was nothing.

quantum computing (logic gates and other simple components have already been made, full blown cpus probably aren't THAT far off)

DNA computing (not as exciting as quantum or nano tech, but equally mind blowing in terms of performance(and price))

home fabrication equipment (just print your own everything! now THAT's plug and play!) of course i don't see the corporations really backing this tech until after one of the other 3 are a foregone conclusion.

not to mention dozens of others....

of course when some of this comes out and gets mainstream, the games possible then will be like undiscernble VR and the like, and the whole point of being a living sentient being is going to have to be re-evaluated massively (nothing to do but eat, make babies, engineer, art and play games) so emu anything is gonna seem kind of a wierd museum like thing....

honestly i see all of this happening before i wear depends, anyway.

:devil:

[Jaz]

Now lets all shut-up because Football (of the American kind) kicks ass! And yes, I am Welsh. ;)

[blizz]

Originally posted by Jaz
Now lets all shut-up because Football (of the American kind) kicks ass! And yes, I am Welsh. ;)

since wales suck at most sports I think it's fine they can suck at US Rugby too :p

[Raging Fuel]

I can't understand why people watch American Football. To me it's just so boring. Every five seconds they seem to stop the game, get all set up again, then they might play for another 5 seconds....

[RPGlover12]

well fifa2002 is just lame its sucks i got that game a while ago and that game is bad i give this game abuot 4.5 :( its not that good and fifa2001 was better much better hope that fifa2003 will be much better and hope that iss will be much more better :) i hope so :plain:

[lightknight]

emulatore!!!! i have 1 great idea now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! time to get back to work on it!!