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shurikenman
January 31st, 2004, 21:51
Hi Emu dudes ! first of all...Great work! i loved hanging out with 5 fps on Zelda WW, its a lot of fun even with this low fps..and a saving funktion would be very good for now !


Ok here is my question :

I'm worried about my Geforce4 Ti 4800. I dont think that GC uses any DX 9 Effekts like Pixel shader 2.0 so...In Zelda, some one of u cool Emu authors said its an Pixel shader prob...and the ATI series has more support for this than geforce.


AND : are u able to fix this so called "Problem" in the next Teaser or the first full version of dolphin, so that dudes like me are able 2 play Zelda with all Geforce4 Ti series (4800 <--my card) ? If u could make it i would be very happy ^^. Since i saw those screens from the ATI cards i got jealous...

Ok. Thats all cya and Keep up the damn good work dudes. Youll hear from me ;).

mainframe19
February 1st, 2004, 00:36
just buy age force fx 5900
it's real cheap on ebay!

that's what i am planing on doing! once this emu picks up in speed and gets more games playabe.

but for now i think i will stick with the real gc!

Davemc
February 1st, 2004, 01:25
You're not going to make an GC emulatore in the hope Banjo-Tooie is released, are you?

bLAdEbLA
February 1st, 2004, 08:41
I'd say pick up a radeon. Support ATi, I changed from Nvidia to them and haven't looked back. And I'm sure Dolphin will have equal compatibility with both brands within a few releases.

cooliscool
February 1st, 2004, 15:06
You're not going to make an GC emulatore in the hope Banjo-Tooie is released, are you?

rofl. {}:{

ZDragon
February 1st, 2004, 16:05
At least for the time being, ATi cards are much better for Dolphin than any other card. Pick a 9500+, and you should at least have the fewest graphic errors with the Gamecube games.

_Oz_
February 2nd, 2004, 11:02
I also have one (not the computer below) and i think you guys could try it! There are still many people with a gf4ti, and this could also help the radeon 8500,9000,9100 and 9200.

Stezo2k
February 2nd, 2004, 11:29
yeah, you can't go wrong with ATi, plus The GC itself uses a ATi based GPU

thedaemon666
February 2nd, 2004, 13:47
I've seen an ATI Radeon 9800 XT get poor frame rates on Halo for the PC running on a P4 3.0 ghz with 1 gb of PC3200 Corsair DDR running in dual channel, as far as I am concerned ATI and Nvidia are no different except that Nvidia's OpenGL support is far better

ZDragon
February 2nd, 2004, 13:52
daemon, you know what? This is IMPOSSIBLE. Simply as that. It even ran on my Radeon 7500 (!) on Medium Details before I bought my new graphics card.

And the image quality of ATi is much better than nVidias. I can't play on computers with an nVidia card anymore.

Trotterwatch
February 2nd, 2004, 13:56
yeah, you can't go wrong with ATi, plus The GC itself uses a ATi based GPU
No it doesn't, ATI didn't design the chip, ArtX did. ATI bought into it later.

sheik124
February 2nd, 2004, 17:14
No it doesn't, ATI didn't design the chip, ArtX did. ATI bought into it later.
yup, if ATI designed it i;d have all their cards sitting next to me right now

Stezo2k
February 2nd, 2004, 21:09
No it doesn't, ATI didn't design the chip, ArtX did. ATI bought into it later.

sorry i kind of guessed due to it saying ATI on the front

DarkKnight38
February 2nd, 2004, 21:15
I've seen an ATI Radeon 9800 XT get poor frame rates on Halo for the PC running on a P4 3.0 ghz with 1 gb of PC3200 Corsair DDR running in dual channel, as far as I am concerned ATI and Nvidia are no different except that Nvidia's OpenGL support is far better
define poor framerates, because you really shouldn't see any visual drops in the framerate at all with that setup. Even my geforce 4 ti 4600 with crappy sdram and an equally crappy williamette p4 1.5ghz runs halo on medium detail at almost 30fps.

ZDragon
February 2nd, 2004, 21:20
And besides, Halo was ported *badly*. UT 2k3 (which looks definitly better) gives me higher framerates...

Hexidecimal
February 2nd, 2004, 21:34
I'd say pick up a radeon. Support ATi, I changed from Nvidia to them and haven't looked back.

Agreed.

[vEX]
February 3rd, 2004, 15:31
Hi Emu dudes ! first of all...Great work! i loved hanging out with 5 fps on Zelda WW, its a lot of fun even with this low fps..and a saving funktion would be very good for now !


Ok here is my question :

I'm worried about my Geforce4 Ti 4800. I dont think that GC uses any DX 9 Effekts like Pixel shader 2.0 so...In Zelda, some one of u cool Emu authors said its an Pixel shader prob...and the ATI series has more support for this than geforce.


AND : are u able to fix this so called "Problem" in the next Teaser or the first full version of dolphin, so that dudes like me are able 2 play Zelda with all Geforce4 Ti series (4800 <--my card) ? If u could make it i would be very happy ^^. Since i saw those screens from the ATI cards i got jealous...

Ok. Thats all cya and Keep up the damn good work dudes. Youll hear from me ;).

The GC itself doesn't use DX effects at all, but when emulating the GC the Dolphin team takes advantage of the similarities of the GC effects and the shader effects on the PC. Some stuff only requires 1.1 shaders, while others require 2.0 shaders. For 2.0 shaders you need a DirectX 9 card (like Radeon 9500+ or nVIDIA FX cards), the fact that you can install DirectX 9 doesn't mean you have a Directx 9 card.

Reznor007
February 3rd, 2004, 20:30
yup, if ATI designed it i;d have all their cards sitting next to me right now

The ArtX team went on to help design the R300 chip though(which is Radeon 9500+).

Reznor007
February 3rd, 2004, 20:32
I've seen an ATI Radeon 9800 XT get poor frame rates on Halo for the PC running on a P4 3.0 ghz with 1 gb of PC3200 Corsair DDR running in dual channel, as far as I am concerned ATI and Nvidia are no different except that Nvidia's OpenGL support is far better

I guess you haven't seen Halflife2 benchmarks where the Radeon9500+ is about twice as fast as any GeforceFX card?

Maybe you didn't hear all the stuff about nVidia cheating in 3dmark?

The only nVidia product that I will partake in is nForce2.

shurikenman
February 3rd, 2004, 20:38
']The GC itself doesn't use DX effects at all, but when emulating the GC the Dolphin team takes advantage of the similarities of the GC effects and the shader effects on the PC. Some stuff only requires 1.1 shaders, while others require 2.0 shaders. For 2.0 shaders you need a DirectX 9 card (like Radeon 9500+ or nVIDIA FX cards), the fact that you can install DirectX 9 doesn't mean you have a Directx 9 card.


Dude i know those things like ...pixel shader 2.0 of course i know that this is an dx9 effect and wont be supported by a DX8 card ....And witch fool said if u download Dx9 u have a Dx9 card ???

platinum
February 4th, 2004, 01:24
I guess you haven't seen Halflife2 benchmarks where the Radeon9500+ is about twice as fast as any GeforceFX card?

Maybe you didn't hear all the stuff about nVidia cheating in 3dmark?

The only nVidia product that I will partake in is nForce2.

i guess you didn't know half-life 2 is vaporware.

Reznor007
February 4th, 2004, 05:52
I guess you didn't know that I've already ran it on my PC...

Vegetable
February 4th, 2004, 06:55
I guess you didn't know that I've already ran it on my PC...
BAN!!!

platinum
February 4th, 2004, 07:13
I guess you didn't know that I've already ran it on my PC...

you and everyone else on the internet who isn't living under a rock. doesn't change the fact that it wont be out for 2 video card cycles at the very least.

but i'm sure you saw how the fx is twice as fast as the radeon in doom 3.

ZDragon
February 4th, 2004, 10:36
At my friend's home, I have also seen HLČ.

It runs faster on an Radeon 7500 than on an GF 4...

And Doom III Alpha: runs perfectly on any card with shaders support, but not with any older card... 3-4 FPS.

Note: My friend deleted them both after some days - comment: "Both won't be out for a while."

[vEX]
February 4th, 2004, 19:04
...And witch fool said if u download Dx9 u have a Dx9 card ???
I've seen a lot of people think that so I just added it in so there wouldn't be any questions about it.

Reznor007
February 5th, 2004, 06:18
you and everyone else on the internet who isn't living under a rock. doesn't change the fact that it wont be out for 2 video card cycles at the very least.

but i'm sure you saw how the fx is twice as fast as the radeon in doom 3.

In a test where the FX uses a special low precision path while the Radeon uses full precision. Also, the Radeon uses the generic OpenGL path, while FX uses a custom coded path.

Also, on Halflife2, Radeon was running the default DX9 path, while FX was using a custom designed DX8-ish path, and still running much slower.

Tagrineth
February 5th, 2004, 20:59
I've seen an ATI Radeon 9800 XT get poor frame rates on Halo for the PC running on a P4 3.0 ghz with 1 gb of PC3200 Corsair DDR running in dual channel, as far as I am concerned ATI and Nvidia are no different except that Nvidia's OpenGL support is far better

Wow, what resolution was HALO running exactly?

Because even Anand (http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1910&p=12) got a good frame rate out of the Radeon.

Vegetable
February 8th, 2004, 01:14
Sorry, misread the page, forget this.

bositman
February 8th, 2004, 08:53
This is going off-topic...

_Oz_
February 8th, 2004, 10:43
This is going off-topic...
The guy just asked the emu authors about the geforce 4 "problem".
It was not its intention to start a stupid war of fanATIcs vs nVidiots!!!

_Oz_
February 8th, 2004, 10:43
The guy just asked the emu authors about the geforce 4 "problem".
It was not its intention to start a stupid war of fanATIcs vs nVidiots!!!
Sorry if I hurted someone...