Why holding back?

[Noelen]

I know that many emulation fans out there are expecting the new 1964 0.99 out on thanksgiving or christmas - it is the same with me, but I know it will be ready when it´s ready!

Anyway: What I really do not understand is the fact that there is a limited beta test running much alike with a comercial product.

Hey, we are all loving emulation and are quite familiar with beta versions because ALL emulators are more or less betas. We do not expect a perfect product.

I am appreciating that schibo wants to make it as good as possible for a public release but it not necessary to prevent us from using a NON PERFECT version. We would be happy to use it and this forum would fullfill it´s task while discussing errors or happy moments on N64-emulation!

Maybe someone or schibo himself could explain.

[catewauler]

Catewauler online:

I´m not in a hurry... I´ll wait ´til the emu has released by Schibo, he knows why the beta was not released and that is something I respect.

Besides, if all keep bother him, maybe the emu will never released.

Thanks.

[dukenukem]

dude there's no reason to publicly release yet since testing is still going strong,it's upto schibo and rice when they will make 1964.99 public,until then just wait because it's damn good:) and even faster

[karth95]

I am appreciating that schibo wants to make it as good as possible for a public release but it not necessary to prevent us from using a NON PERFECT version. We would be happy to use it and this forum would fullfill it´s task while discussing errors or happy moments on N64-emulation!

Maybe someone or schibo himself could explain.

Here's the deal. You may think all emulators are beta, but the aren't. There's a reason they are final. They don't crash frequently, they dont not work with the majority of games, they don't occasionally tweak out and do strange things, and they don't piss people off, on average.

Beta software does. It annoys you when the window abruptly closes, or freezes, or doesn't work with your fav. game from last version. I'm not saying the new beta does or doesn't do these things, I'm saying that it's silly to WANT a beta, unless you really want to be testing it and posting bugs. --

[Hyper19s]

no we want the beta, doesnt really matter to us we just want to try it out.

[Trotterwatch]

Hypershadow1 - could you stfu about the beta, you are getting repetitive. Really I'm starting to regret ever posting all of those screenshots...

[Clements]

Wow, people are so impatient. Would would you prefer- schibo and Rice rushing out a buggy beta release or wait for a stable version that has been properly tested by competent beta testers? This is close to 1964's last ever release, so it should be as good as it can be.

hypershadow1- you are two years older than me, yet you act like a little kid who hasn't received enough Christmas presents. Grow up.

[ScottJC]

I know that many emulation fans out there are expecting the new 1964 0.99 out on thanksgiving or christmas - it is the same with me, but I know it will be ready when it´s ready!
Really, whats this about then?

Anyway: What I really do not understand is the fact that there is a limited beta test running much alike with a comercial product.
Beta testing happens whether or not something is commercial, some people do it themselves with their project and some people request the aid of several people.

Hey, we are all loving emulation and are quite familiar with beta versions because ALL emulators are more or less betas. We do not expect a perfect product.
Rubbish, a beta is something that is frequently updated and usually contains bugs.

You cannot speak for everyone either, the majority of people expect the "product" to be perfect believe it not, very few are willing to accept less, and the first paragraph of this thread makes me believe you expect perfection as well.

I am appreciating that schibo wants to make it as good as possible for a public release but it not necessary to prevent us from using a NON PERFECT version. We would be happy to use it and this forum would fullfill it´s task while discussing errors or happy moments on N64-emulation!
If you truly appreciate it, then don't bug him about it. The majority of users out there will never report a bug, ever, I assure you of that.

Maybe someone or schibo himself could explain.
Schibo doesn't need to explain anything to anybody, he owes you nothing.

[LazerTag]

Go to hell and die you fucking nitwitted impatient bastards. No one (here) will miss you. :term:

cool, don't hold your feelings back for our sake, we can take it! :D

[cooliscool]

cool, don't hold your feelings back for our sake, we can take it! :D

Heh. :icecream:

[dukenukem]

Heycan a mod lock this thread now i am tired of hearing people say they want the beta now,it's getting boring and tiresome.

[Clements]

Only the Admins, Super Mods (if we have any) schibo, Rice and Gent can close it, otherwise I would have. I'm tired of these threads too.

[My95ZR2]

Fa-la-la-la-la...in before the lock :P

Take your time on 1964 guys, I can wait.

Adam

[Hyper19s]

Hypershadow1 - could you about the beta, you are getting repetitive. Really I'm starting to regret ever posting all of those screenshots...


Trotterwatch you have the beta so you really dont know what it is like
not to have the beta.Thats why we want it because others have it and they
flaunt it. :1964: :watsup:

Not to be disrespective of course

[Trotterwatch]

Trotterwatch you have the beta so you really dont know what it is like
not to have the beta.Thats why we want it because others have it and they
flaunt it.

I knew what it was like not to have a beta of any previous emulators or plugins. I knew what it was like to see PJ64 1.4 was getting beta tested to hell and not being part of it, likewise with the previous version of 1964. Did I moan about it once? Nope, I got on with life, it wasn't the end of the world.

Perhaps I made a mistake here trying to keep people up to date on developments. For that I apologise, and promise not to bother posting any more status updates and/or screenshots :) I wouldn't want lame brains such as yourself to think I am flaunting it.

[Jakob]

it is sad how little shits get so upset when someone who is making something for free, in their spare time, decides that they want to make it as good as possible before giving it out to others

[Noelen]

it is sad how little shits get so upset when someone who is making something for free, in their spare time, decides that they want to make it as good as possible before giving it out to others
Did any of of you understand the meaning of an internet forum. It is just for this kind of discussions. It must be allowed to ask a question which fits to the topic.

Of course there will be many opinions that are not yourselfs but again: None of the arguments given convinced me that I was wrong to ask.

I would agree to a misbehaving if I were bothering the programmers via E-Mail personally every month, week, day, hour, second or so but in this case they just read the forum and see that there are people out there who believe that the next version will be great and they can not wait to get there hands on it. This is an opinion that should be respected as well as all the other - even the ones with hard words and less meaning.

[catewauler]

Catewauler online:

Ok, Ok, I respect people and their opinions no matter what...

The thing is that beta emus prevents the system failure, bugs and other fail.

Now as I said before, Schibo knows why the beta was not released and I think this is something that we must respect...

Thanks.

[Hyper19s]

Did any of of you understand the meaning of an internet forum. It is just for this kind of discussions. It must be allowed to ask a question which fits to the topic.

Of course there will be many opinions that are not yourselfs but again: None of the arguments given convinced me that I was wrong to ask.

I would agree to a misbehaving if I were bothering the programmers via E-Mail personally every month, week, day, hour, second or so but in this case they just read the forum and see that there are people out there who believe that the next version will be great and they can not wait to get there hands on it. This is an opinion that should be respected as well as all the other - even the ones with hard words and less meaning.

totally agree Noelen free speech right??? no flames ok?? :P

[ciyinyde01]

My personal opinion, I know i havent posted on here much. But really no need to there are a lot of people on here that know what there talking about, and a lot of problems that i have have been resolved by just searching through the posts. And if a mod or a member says it will be worth the wait then it WILL be worth the wait. I havent been let down yet. Nintend 64 emulation is not for life, It is FOREVER

[Engeljaeger]

I'm waiting impatiently for the release myself...haven't said a word about it though, cuz I know it wouldn't change a thing ;)
Just sit back and wait...
Furthermore I don't understand people who feel so fucked by threads like this and what do they do?...they read all of them and tell people to shut up and why...
Ain't got anything better to do? O_o

[Hyper19s]

some people are just haters thats all. I hate it when people tell me to shut up with rude words!!

[revl8er]

Why are you people so f***ing impatient. Just be glad that Rice and Schibo decided to release another 1964. I'm not trying to flame anyone here, but you guys just need to just wait a little longer. I'm pretty sure that it's close to being released.

[Nemo]

I think the best idea would be to do WIP, like ZSNES does. And it's my choice how they do it.... Wait, no it's not. Yep, that's right, it's the 1964 authors' choice, which is why I haven't been complaining. So you know what? Stop complaining, it'll be out when it's out.

[pandamoan]

I think the best idea would be to do WIP, like ZSNES does. And it's my choice how they do it.... Wait, no it's not. Yep, that's right, it's the 1964 authors' choice, which is why I haven't been complaining. So you know what? Stop complaining, it'll be out when it's out.

i have two things to say: WIP would be way cool. but yeah it's up to rice/schibo. i suppose they have their reasons.

the other thing is....

:1964:

[Trotterwatch]

For the benefit of Pandamoan:

His first thing was:

1) WIP would be way cool
2) But it's up to Rice/Schibo

(Not 100% sure if this is correct... )
;) hope that helps.

[Hyper19s]

For the benefit of Pandamoan:

His first thing was:

1) WIP would be way cool
2) But it's up to Rice/Schibo

(Not 100% sure if this is correct... )
;) hope that helps.


LOL :rolleyes:

[scotty]

Rice and Schibo dont necessarily have to do the WIP version of 1964 if they dont want to. I say if someone wants to take on the coding of 1964, let them after Scibo and Rice are finished

[pj64er]

I knew what it was like to see PJ64 1.4 was getting beta tested to hell and not being part of it, likewise with the previous version of 1964.
But wasnt it great when it came out right on Christmas? :cheers:


And dude, they aint flaunting it, screenshot posting is an EmuTalk tradition. Youre supposed to drool, not get jealous :p

[co_p3rth]

right, better just be patient and wait for it :D
we can always talk about it tho, but i won't bother them to release it soon :P

[dnrobs]

will the new 1964 1.0 be a universal panacea or will we still need to fiddle with plugins and such?

[Clements]

will the new 1964 1.0 be a universal panacea or will we still need to fiddle with plugins and such?

1964 1.0 will be zilmar spec. so you can use different plugins. (Which is very much a good thing as no one plugin is perfect).

[pandamoan]

1964 1.0 will be zilmar spec. so you can use different plugins. (Which is very much a good thing as no one plugin is perfect).

or to give a more detailed answer:

it will still have the OPTION of using other plugins for those rare games that won't work with the rice one, but apparently it will not OFTEN be necessary to switch plugins as the new rice plugin's compat is supposed to be VERY high.

however, the zilmar spec has been upgraded a little bit to allow heavy framebuffer usage games such as dr. mario to run better.

and the new glide plugin will take advantage of this as well.

between gonetz/rice, i imagine every single rom will be playable eventually. i believe the list of unemulated games with any emu/plugin at this moment is only like 12 diff commercial roms.

remember also that the new 1964 will be .9.9, which means 1.0 may be even MORE compatible. Perhaps the main focus between .9.9 and 1.0 will BE those unemulated roms, who knows?

i'm interested in what rice and schibo have planned, but so is everybody... lol

[Trotterwatch]

The sound plugin is also excellent (and doesn't need changing too much).

Unemulated roms are by and large unemulated due to lack of info known about them - ie once Indy is fixed in one emulator/plugin it will probably be easy to fix in all.

The trouble is getting the info.

As of the moment, Indy isn't playable.

[h3h3]

pleaaaaaaaaase no xmas-release then...
firstly that wouldn't be any surprise at all...and quite lame also :-/
secondly I won't even be at home ...

ok the second reason wont' be too important to u I guess but....


:-(

[Hexidecimal]

For the love of god someone lock this topic, I am so tired of hearing please release this or when is it coming out?

[NeoNight]

blah blah blah lol yeah so is it out yet? (j/k) ;p

[scotty]

pleaaaaaaaaase no xmas-release then...
firstly that wouldn't be any surprise at all...and quite lame also :-/
secondly I won't even be at home ...

ok the second reason wont' be too important to u I guess but....


:-(

I would actually like a Mid to end December release (no im not naggin you guys), it is only because I am off from University starting next week on Tuesday, until January. Therefore I will have time to use it, unlike during university

[Lillymon]

I'd like to see a release WHEN IT'S DONE!!!

[pandamoan]

I'd like to see a release WHEN IT'S DONE!!!

i don't see what's wrong with a public beta. even if it's full of holes. then these morons would quit whining.

it's not like the fabled 1.0 release or anything.... :D

/devi's advocate runs and hides.

[h3h3]

I'd like to see a release WHEN IT'S DONE!!!

haha... not very likely to be on xmas hu?`when
it's done!it should be released
what i actually meant there shouldn't be a certain date(like f*****g christmas) for releasing it...should be next sunday for example :-)

you must also see that u told the community about a release in november..now some are nagging,very understandable,though not fair...

u shouldn't have told us about an upcoming release at all...

[Doomulation]

This is simply GETTING ANNOYING!
There will not be a beta and the new release is out when it is out! Damn, it's a wonder the authors haven't been pissed off already. :getlost:

[Kaoss626]

Doom, they probably are.

[Lillymon]

The release will happen when it happens. 0.9.9 will be the Final Beta (released to the public), big testing will happen to see what bugs there are, they will then be fixed and a 1.0.0 Final Release will be made.

So the next release will be 0.9.9 Final Beta. This could happen for Christmas, however it may be released in January, February, March, whenever. It will happen, it will be good, it will be fast, it will run lots of games and you will love it. But it's totally up to Schibo when it's released. Or even if it's released. If you all keep bitching about when his free work will be released, he may just get pissed off and abandon the whole fucking project. Do you really want that?!? Do you really want to be the one that ends the whole 1964 project before it even gets a final release?!? Well do you?!?

[scotty]

The release will happen when it happens. 0.9.9 will be the Final Beta (released to the public), big testing will happen to see what bugs there are, they will then be fixed and a 1.0.0 Final Release will be made.

So the next release will be 0.9.9 Final Beta. This could happen for Christmas, however it may be released in January, February, March, whenever. It will happen, it will be good, it will be fast, it will run lots of games and you will love it. But it's totally up to Schibo when it's released. Or even if it's released. If you all keep bitching about when his free work will be released, he may just get pissed off and abandon the whole fucking project. Do you really want that?!? Do you really want to be the one that ends the whole 1964 project before it even gets a final release?!? Well do you?!?

I get your point, and oh yes the beta testers can walk away with it if they all agree to it, if Schibo never releases it. Lillymon has a point, however he is taking it really too far to the extreme.

[Lillymon]

I get your point, and oh yes the beta testers can walk away with it if they all agree to it, if Schibo never releases it. Lillymon has a point, however he is taking it really too far to the extreme.
:getlost:

[Gent]

Ok Gang im gonna close this as there is no Why holding back & it will be out when its out....

Plus this got way to spam too early on