horrible frame rate and performance on my computer!!!

[mak2k]

Okay, i really don't know what's the problem. PJ64 isn't running well on my system. I have a Celeron 1 Ghz with 324 megs of ram and a geforce 2 MX-400 64 megs. I have win2k pro. AGP 4x is enabled and the fast writes are also enabled. I have the latest detonator drivers and the VIA drivers too.

Zelda: ocarina of time runs better on my p2 400@533 192 megs of ram and TNT2 than on my current system.

Wave race is extremely choppy and the sound is very choppy too! That also goes for both Zelda games and Perfect Dark too! I think the average fps is about 30 (which is about half of the usual!).

I really don't know what is wrong! I'm guessing it's win2k that isn't that great (i have directx 8.1)

[Malcolm]

what plugins are you using?
and are you using PJ 1.3 or 1.4?

[mak2k]

pj64 1.4 with the scratch plugins (the one included with the package)

[Triz]

just because you have a Celeron 1GHZ doesn't mean its a well performing 'gaming' machine you should have opted for a Pentium3/Athlon based system if you had the option Celeron's perform poorly in FPU calculations and their basically only for doing 'business' and not really for gaming, and you could also turn off FastWrites as not only can it have compatability issues it can also decrease performance regardless if it works, and it reduces DirectDraw quality. :hrm: and what are your Graphic Plugin settings?, and your video card settings if possible :devil:

[Slougi]

A celerry 1 Ghz should be perfecty fine. Make sure you don't have any funky settings enabled/disabled, make sure u r uding the recompiler not the interpreter etc. etc.
Why don't you post the settings you have?
:pj64:

[Triz]

doubt it i've done a 3dmark2k1 compare to a celery 1ghz with the same card as mine and my pc was head and shoulders above that 1ghz machine trust me they aren't meant for games, but i do agree that it should be doing 'well' in waverace64, could be something up with the way he is setting up his pc/graphics card???

[Slougi]

Well what chipsets were u using for the benchmark? And how much memory?

[Triz]

lol damn Slougi you're blind look at my sig thats what i was using ;)

[Slougi]

That's what you were using, but the other computer........´
Anyway how many points difference was there?

[Raging Fuel]

Win2k might be your problem. It can really slow down the fps of most games.

[Triz]

it was similar except for the cpu and the m/board was similar

[B*A*G*G]

sure, the old celerons suck for gaming but have you tested the Tualatin celerons? they're faster than Copp. Pentium III's (clock for clock).
i tested a Celeron 1.2ghz tualatin on my dell system and it laid waste to my Pentium4 1.5ghz system with the same video card. worked great with pj64.

[Razman]

:pj64:

I have a Celeron 850@950, 32 Mb GeForce 2Mx & Win 2k and Project 64 runs properly!
I have to limit FPS in most games as they run too fast!
Celerons 800 up have the PIII core, so they run just as fast as a P3, especially when they are overclocked, so the whole thing about Celerons being crap compared to P3 is bull shit!
Win 2k is the joise for N64 emulation as it doesn't crash!
To increase framerate use the directx 7 plugin, with T&L enabled, recompiler setting for CPU & use 16 bit textures!
Try it!

[Slougi]

Originally posted by Razman
:pj64:

I have a Celeron 850@950, 32 Mb GeForce 2Mx & Win 2k and Project 64 runs properly!
I have to limit FPS in most games as they run too fast!
Celerons 800 up have the PIII core, so they run just as fast as a P3, especially when they are overclocked, so the whole thing about Celerons being crap compared to P3 is bull shit!
Win 2k is the joise for N64 emulation as it doesn't crash!
To increase framerate use the directx 7 plugin, with T&L enabled, recompiler setting for CPU & use 16 bit textures!
Try it!
Same core maybe but less cache :p

[Triz]

I didnt' necessarily say that ALL celeron's are shit i just said that compared to most P3's+ they don't fair very well, and its crazy that some of you are from Australia :)

[B*A*G*G]

using WinXP with a celeron can slow down pj64 a bit do to its smaller L2 cache. only the newer 1.2ghz cerlerons have a bigger 256k L2 cache with a 100Mhz bus wich runs program in winXP alot faster than old celeron cpu's at 66mhz.

[Razman]

:devil:
What's wrong with Australia?

[Triz]

Thats why i live here f00! ;)

[mak2k]

okay, here are my settings...

btw, i tried rebooting my computer and it helped a bit... wave race works on my computer now.. sort of, the sound is still jerky and it's not really constant. But perfect dark is still very bad.

How do we enable T&L? in pj64 or in the nvidia's setting?

[sk8bloke22]

see the drop down menu on the first tab ( i think it says something like d3d Hal device, will click on the drop down, and if uhav the right gfx card, u should see soemthing that says D3D TnL Device

[Razman]

Firstly, enable fog!
GO to the plug in setting and be sure you're using Jabbo's 1.4 D3D 7 not 6!
Use whatever audio plugin, but I recomend Jabbo's sound 1.4.
Don't have other stuff running in the background!

[EdgeBlade]

Originally posted by B*A*G*G
...i tested a Celeron 1.2ghz tualatin on my dell system and it laid waste to my Pentium4 1.5ghz system with the same video card. worked great with pj64.

Anything can lay waste to the P4, that cut out all of the good stuff just to get it released eairly. And the Celerons are just other Processers like the P3 with a few feactures removed and bus speed lowerd so they can be sold at a resonable price.

MHz don't mean eveything. If a chip dosen't have all the goodies that a program needs then it's gonna have more thing it needs to compute and therefore won't be able to run at it's full speed as well as a chip with all the goodies can. I believe AMD is at the top of the mountain here and if/when I can upgrade I'm gonna go that route.

[rrevved]

Originally posted by mak2k
Okay, i really don't know what's the problem. PJ64 isn't running well on my system. I have a Celeron 1 Ghz with 324 megs of ram and a geforce 2 MX-400 64 megs. I have win2k pro. AGP 4x is enabled and the fast writes are also enabled. I have the latest detonator drivers and the VIA drivers too.



Why did you install VIA drivers?

VIA drivers are only for certain motherboards that use
AMD processors, not Intel.

[Triz]

and they if you have ever tried installing the 'very' unstable 23.11 drivers you will know that they have problems with the VIA based motherboards, and the VIA drivers improve IDE performance for any VIA based motherboard regardless of the cpu being amd or intel -nt- 0wned

[rrevved]

Originally posted by Triz
and they if you have ever tried installing the 'very' unstable 23.11 drivers you will know that they have problems with the VIA based motherboards, and the VIA drivers improve IDE performance for any VIA based motherboard regardless of the cpu being amd or intel -nt- 0wned


To my knowledge, there's no such thing as a VIA
chipset for an Intel processor. Like I said, he is trying
to install VIA drivers to his Intel chipset motherboard
and it won't work since VIA chipsets support ONLY AMD.

If you know of any VIA chipset motherboard that supports
an Intel processor, feel free to give us the manufacturer
and name of the board.

I couldn't find one.

Thanks.

[EdgeBlade]

I have a VIA Chipset in my comp and I use a PIII, I can't use AMD otherwise I would.

[Triz]

lol rrevved you stupid fuck (no offense) :P my m/board is VIA and i have a P3 cpu so erm u obviously don't know what you're talking about, www.0wned.com heh

[diamond gezzer]

Mate ur problem is either the compatibility with win2k, or you are asking too much from ur graphics card, what resolution are u playing at? What colour 16-32? Which options do you have enabled.

I have a pentium 4 1.7, with 256meg and a geforce 2 mx400, i thought my comp could handle andything and turned on all the options that made the game look sweet, but the comp couldnt handle it and the framerate was crap. So I went back and made everything defualts and the resolution to 1024-768, 32 bit, and all games run fine and 50-60fps.

[little_dogus1]

geometry transforms should not be automatic, and correct me if im wrong, but win200 is bad for pj64

[Yoshi]

Originally posted by little_dogus1
geometry transforms should not be automatic, and correct me if im wrong, but win200 is bad for pj64
win 2k is faster and very stable for pj 64. I have an overclocked cpu (win 98 crash a lot for me with that) the problem is that win 2k sucks with real pc games, like q3 arena (45% slower!)

[Triz]

i've had a better performance increase and stability 'of course' than when using win98se AND win2k