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[crewde]

why do u report it as version 1.0 when in reality it is version 1.0.27 ?

[crewde]

and why is it compressed with UPX? i have found in the past that exe packing can downgrade the quality and cause features to be buggy... packing is also not friendly at all to specific versions of windows... wats the deal on that

[Quvack]

Originally posted by crewde
why do u report it as version 1.0 when in reality it is version 1.0.27 ?

Why ask such a trivial question? It is version 1.0 because it is the 1st version of UltraHLE 2064 to be released to the public.

[BTM]

Are U talking about UltraHLE 2064 ?
Where dos it say its 10.027 ? It says 1.0.0.1 on mine ;]

IPX is used so the file would be smaller.
Not all windows like UPX ?
Win 98 does , Win 98 SE does, Win 2k does, Win ME does, Win XP Pro does , don tell me UR using 3.11 ? ;]

[crewde]

in the version info it says 1.0.27

anyways, my xp indeed does not like UPX. lol infact, it hates it.. i have to switch compatibility modes for some apps.... it does appear that uhle 2064 is working fine tho on my system w/o changing modes, but who knows... maybe im getting errores b/c of the compression.

seems fishy to me too cuz its easy to add backdoors to programs with packing programs. my virus scan didnt pick anything up and im not accusing u guys of putting anything in there, but wouldnt it be just a whole lot better to not pack it for weary people like myself? c

nice work on the emu by the way, im looking forward to future releases... looks very promising

[Johann]

1.0 and 1.0.27 are basically the same.
At the end, 1.0.27 is the same than 1.0 :)

[crewde]

if they the same then y not make a standard number rather than two... lol but its not a big deal, i drop my arguement

[aprentice]

Originally posted by crewde
seems fishy to me too cuz its easy to add backdoors to programs with packing programs. my virus scan didnt pick anything up and im not accusing u guys of putting anything in there, but wouldnt it be just a whole lot better to not pack it for weary people like myself?

I can assure you there is no backdoor/virus. We will continue to pack it with upx and its up to you if you want to run the executable or not.

[Slougi]

Originally posted by aprentice
I can assure you there is no backdoor/virus. We will continue to pack it with upx and its up to you if you want to run the executable or not.
Are you telling me that thing with the pr0n gathering through the new uhle was just a joke?! You seemed so serious about it. :(
No pr0n streaming straight from unsuspecting emu users i guess then.

[crewde]

i wish you would go a diff route, b/c i am assuring you that paking can and prolly does cause some of your bugs...

[ScottJC]

there is really no need to pack it with upx, the zip file compresses it enough, and its not like peoples hard drives will miss a few hundred kb.

[Azimer]

Packing does help deter people from hacking the source file.

[crewde]

packing the program would not deter people from obtaining the source.... there is no way out there to obtain a source of a closed-source program, packed or unpacked.

[Quvack]

Originally posted by crewde
packing the program would not deter people from obtaining the source.... there is no way out there to obtain a source of a closed-source program, packed or unpacked.

Maybe so, but packing also 'helps' to stop asshole lamers from taking the emu and hacking its resources.

And I think by source file, Azi means the exe file, not people obtaining the source from the exe.

[BTM]

Originally posted by crewde
i wish you would go a diff route, b/c i am assuring you that paking can and prolly does cause some of your bugs...

so why dont you unpack the exe and then run it ?

[cooliscool]

Originally posted by BTM
so why dont you unpack the exe and then run it ?

The exe is what is packed, it isn't possible to take it to its unpacked form once it's done, unless you have the source code.

[BTM]

If the EXE is packed with UPX AFAIK it can be unpacked using UPX

Ultimate Packer for eXecutables
Copyright (C) 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002
UPX 1.24w Markus F.X.J. Oberhumer & Laszlo Molnar Nov 7th 2002

Usage: upx [-123456789dlthVL] [-qvfk] [-o file] file..

Commands:
-1 compress faster
-9 compress better
-d decompress
-l list compressed file
-t test compressed file
-V display version number
-h give more help
-L display software license
Options:
-q be quiet
-v be verbose
-oFILE write output to `FILE'
-f force compression of suspicious files
-k keep backup files
file.. executables to (de)compress

[crewde]

works fine when unpacked... u can unpack the main exe, the xengine dlls, and the audio/gfx plugins... ill report if i find anything working better or not....

[reapern66]

I totally disagree with compressing the binary file. I understand it decompress to memory, but that means it only anther thing which can go wrong and cause problems for emulation. I dont see what all the fuss about the the emulator being hacked, we are well aware who contributed/ made the emulator. If someone is stupid enough to hack it, then they surely deserve to be flamed.

I mean, it isnt as if the file cannot be decompressed, upx has been around for a long time. Not to mention is doesnt take a really smart person to figure out the -d switch.

In all honestly I just think it can cause more problems, then security. Its reversable, and 1 meg file doesnt amount to anything these days.

[aprentice]

Everyone keeps complaining about our practice of packing exe files, but when in reality other emu's do the same but noone complains. Does anyone have a problem with pj64?

[Edit]

Also, the people who complain about the exe packed are the people who try to use a disassember or resource editor, otherwise, How would you know its packed? :P

[Gent]

Originally posted by aprentice
Also, the people who complain about the exe packed are the people who try to use a disassember or resource editor, otherwise, How would you know its packed? :P

lol Yes !!! those naughty Hackers. :happy:

[ScottJC]

I think if you use a hex editor, theres a word like UPX or Aspack somewhere in there, thats how you would know, :)

[Snake785]

I need all the space I can get. I love it when people use UPX to compress the exes, they compress so well too. :D

[crewde]

i check all my excutables for packing.

and an above post says that "noone else gets flamed for packing".... uHLE Alpha was originally packed until the public requested it not to be.

anyways, i unpacked the sound plugin and it is now working :) .. on my system at least. anyone else get results from unpacking, let us know

i once read an article anyways that detailed the flaws in UPX and Aspack packing, it described of few, but potentially serious flaws. though later versions of these programs promise to fix problems, other problems may occur. packing is like emulation.... it will never be perfect. the only thing perfect is the original

take my advice or not, i dont care which way u choose (b/c i can always just unpack every release u feed me and be happy with that) but im just saying, maybe ull have better experience using nothing but the source file.

Dominator, would u allow me to distribute the unpacked version of the software as a small test to see if anyone may have better results?

[crewde]

also while im at it, u made a mistake in the ultra.ini.... under [default] u had comment = Unknown and then a few liens down there is ANOTHER comment which ='s = Not Working =

therefore, they both would cancel each other out... or does the emu read the first one? i didnt do any experimenting with that.. i just remebered i saw it n i thought id tell yu

[crewde]

i got yet another question (lol this thread might as well be entitled "crewde's 2 cents/questions" ... but i guess its awlays good to ask alot of ?'s

anyways, ill get right down to it...

u have an internal audio option... so why was the internal grafix and internal controller config removed?

hell some people w/o a controller could play the emu right out of the box if u still used the internal basic controller config rather than making people d/l a plugin.

well there u go, i know my question really isnt like THAT important, but i figure every question is worth asking.

[reapern66]

Ive just unpacked all the files, the bad news glide still hangs, but at least I see some graphics being drawn, compared to a black screen from what I saw before.

[crewde]

Ive just unpacked all the files, the bad news glide still hangs, but at least I see some graphics being drawn, compared to a black screen from what I saw before.

good to know, i have decided that this should be available to everyone. i have unpacked it all and packaged it up... here's the link: [removed]

we shall call this the unofficial uhle 2064 since the developing team seems to not support it.

tell me wat compatability differences anyone else experiences... both good and bad.

heres another good report... on my bro's computer, the emu wouldnt respond at all... now uhle 2064 smokes. ;)

Edit by aprentice:

Just as I thought! You disgust me once again. You are NOT permitted to distribute modified versions of our exe, and NOT allowed to add yourself to the about box. Do you remember HydraHLE (your version of suprahle with a modifed gui that was supose to have support for zelda mom)? If this is why you want an unpacked version of UltraHLE 2064, then you can forget it. GOOD RIDDENS TO YOU!

[cooliscool]

Originally posted by crewde
good to know, i have decided that this should be available to everyone. i have unpacked it all and packaged it up... here's the link: www.ultrahle2064.com
we shall call this the unofficial uhle 2064 since the developing team seems to not support it.

tell me wat compatability differences anyone else experiences... both good and bad.

heres another good report... on my bro's computer, the emu wouldnt respond at all... now uhle 2064 smokes. ;)

How about we call it HydraHLE 2064? :P

[Johann]

Originally posted by cooliscool
How about we call it HydraHLE 2064? :P

LOL
That's a good one.

[ScottJC]

UPX/Aspack Packing in some cases, can cause software to not work, or become curropt.

It has happened to me before, with a private piece of software I have written, sometimes i'd compile then run, and it wouldn't work after i used upx on it, weird no? Wish i had one available to me right now to prove this point, haha :)

(PS: the software I write is usually IRC related, and I use delphi, dunno how that counts lol)

[crewde]

wat gives u guys the right to question the integrity of my emulator? hydrahle never boatsed about emulating zeldamom first of all, b/c hydrahle was indeed based on modifications developed by the supra crew... but when they didnt like the idea of this, they flamed me... which is understandble, so i created a whole new project and from there my modifications were entirely different. MiMiX was based entirely on my code but u guys questioned its legitity as much as u did with hydra... why would i continue an emu in which nobody appreciated? why does this even matter at this point? u guys have won. BUT, i know from expeirence from those days tho that a uHLE based program does not react well in some circumstances to packing. there is proof right on here in this forum.. people boasting of compat difference. hmmmmmm... i wonder...

i look at it like in every post in this thread i have provided some information to help out your emu. all i do is get flamed... beleive me on these matters or not, presently, i have proven that packing is not the best route to go. i will set up a private link on the internet that allows people to download the program from.

good luck with your emu.. tho, u wont get anywhere acting like you are God.

[Dominator]

Dominator, would u allow me to distribute the unpacked version of the software as a small test to see if anyone may have better results?

No way.



and an above post says that "noone else gets flamed for packing".... uHLE Alpha was originally packed until the public requested it not to be.

What if the public asked you to run naked in the street?